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UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:35 pm

Based on the July 2013 and November 2013 editions of Airline Route Mapper, it appears that during July, UA only operated widebody service within the contiguous US to and from IAH -- e.g. IAD to IAH and back, SFO to IAH and back, but no SFO -- IAD widebody service.

Based on yesterday's update, that all seems to have changed. Now there are quite a number of UA domestic widebody routes that don't go through IAH, including:
SFO to ORD and IAD
LAX to EWR and IAD
LAS (not a UA hub) to ORD and IAH
ORD to EWR and IAD
IAH still offers the most domestic widebody routes (LAX, SFO, LAS, DEN, ORD, IAD, EWR).
CLE remains without widebody service (whether domestic or international).
According to Airline Route Mapper, some of these routes are even operated by 777s: SFO to ORD, LAX to IAD, and DEN to IAD.

Is this news too good to be true? Is United really offering 777 service from Dulles to Denver? Or did the program get something wrong?
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:51 pm

Man, I hope these are all correct! Just a couple of years ago I did DEN-ORD and IAD-DEN on 3-class 777s. It was nice to have an international F seat, even on a 3.5 hour flight!
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:01 am

I even have a vague memory of flying from DEN to IAD on a United 747. What an experience! I was young at the time but I still remember that flight today.
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:13 am

Quoting Burchfiel (Thread starter):
LAS (not a UA hub) to ORD and IAH

When is UA planning to start widebody service between ORD and LAS?
Are you sure you were looking at a revenue daily flight and not a charter flight or a one time or one week up gauge do to the up coming holiday holiday travel period? The week of Thanksgiving UA normally reduces its international schedule and places those widebodies on domestic route that will require the extra capacity do accommodate all the holiday travelers.

Quoting Burchfiel (Thread starter):
UA only operated widebody service within the contiguous US to and from IAH -- e.g. IAD to IAH and back, SFO to IAH and back,

Actually UA has been operating a 3 class 772ER on the SFO-ORD route since late spring of this year.
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:17 am

Quoting jayunited (Reply 3):
When is UA planning to start widebody service between ORD and LAS?

All this data comes from Airline Route Mapper, which is a free offline that lists all the routes (and all aircraft scheduled to operate on that route) flown by the world's major airlines. The routes were just updated yesterday (November 1) so this is the latest data the person who compiles it has. The last update was July 2013. The program is impressive in its scope, but it's not infallible (e.g. they list US as operating a 388 from LAX to NRT), so I wanted to confirm that these routes were operating.
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:20 am

I wonder if they'll bring widebody service back on ORD-OMA?* It used to be served by DC-10s!**

* I know they never will.

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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:21 am

Could these just be placeholders in the schedule until everything is finalized?

I would be curious to see what widebodies would be coming into Vegas. DL has had a daily 763 to ATL from here and AC just brought back a 763 to YYZ through Rouge. Would be great to so UA get back in the wide body game here as well.
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:29 am

I don't see any widebodies on IAH-LAS when I search over at united.com
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:34 am

The list of domestic (lower 48) widebody service from LAS is as follows:
LAS - MSP, DL 767
LAS - ORD, UA 764
LAS - JFK (this one's rather mysterious -- all the program reports is an Ethiad codeshare using a 767.)
LAS - IAH, UA 764.

They very well might be placeholders.

Another bad sign is that when I make a Kayak widebodies-only search for flights to/from LAS from IAH and ORD in December 2013, no valid results show up. So this may be a mistake on the part of the program.

However, the good news is that I did find a 777 flight from IAD to DEN (flight 403) and back (flight 228) on December 27.
http://www.kayak.com/flights/IAD-DEN...12-24-flexible/2013-12-28-flexible (select widebodies only in the drop-down lists on the left)

[Edited 2013-11-02 17:41:55]
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:41 am

There's currently a daily DL 767 between ATL and LAS as well.
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:50 am

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 8):
LAS - JFK (this one's rather mysterious -- all the program reports is an Ethiad codeshare using a 767.)

Is this UA or DL? That would be interesting.

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 8):
LAS - ORD, UA 764
Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 8):
LAS - IAH, UA 764.

Wow, I'm surprised to see the 767-400 on these routes. I'd have an easier time believing they were 767-300s, but, if true, good for LAS spotters!  
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:34 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 10):
Wow, I'm surprised to see the 767-400 on these routes. I'd have an easier time believing they were 767-300s, but, if true, good for LAS spotters

Thanks MesaFlyGuy. If it is true I can't wait to catch them. Hopefully with a camera in hand
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:43 am

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 2):
I even have a vague memory of flying from DEN to IAD on a United 747. What an experience! I was young at the time but I still remember that flight today

I can remember flying a UA 742 ORD-PDX as part of a ORD-PDX-NRT routing, and D10s PDX-SEA, PDX-SFO. Other than our two International flights to NRT and AMS, we only get one domestic W/B with HA on a 332.

I guess 3 N/Bs are better than one W/B these days, domestically at least, even Hawaii. HA is even going N/B to remain competitive to the outer islands.
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:45 am

I would love to see the 767 back on CLE-ORD!
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:04 am

Man, I remember when UA flew a slew of interesting wide-bodies on LAS-ORD. Nothing was more spectacular than seeing a 763, 744 and of course the DC-10 on UA700 on Saturdays when I'd go to the D-Gates to watch planes with Dad.

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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:09 am

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 8):
LAS - JFK (this one's rather mysterious -- all the program reports is an Ethiad codeshare using a 767.)

If it were an EY codeshare then that would suggest AA, no?

That is, of course, if it isn't a bug.
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:33 am

Quoting Burchfiel (Thread starter):

UA flew a 3 class 777 from IAD to DEN on 10/25, so it may be regularly scheduled now. The entertainment in business was a different load than the 3 class 777 I flew in on from BAH.
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:50 pm

I used to live in PHX at the time between 2000 and 2008. i flew United between IAD and PHX via DEN just because the flight that left around 10 am was a 777 operated. after I left the USA, i don't know if that remained the same as i lost my status with United.
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:52 pm

the DEN/LAX-IAD service is indeed 777 3 class, and the SFO-ORD-SFO 3 class 777 as well. I was just on SFO-ORD in J last week as a matter of fact. There is also daily IAH-ORD-IAH 3 class 763. And, 2 class 764 from IAH-IAD to feed the BRU route.

There is a 3 class 777 doing IAH-HNL, old config. And the multi-daily SFO-HNL 2 class 777. I wish we had more lift that did SFO/LAX-IAH in 3 class. But, oh well  .

Expect to see a 744 here and there as they get re-introduced to ORD hub. I can recall ORD-SFO being one to feed HKG (SFO-HKG-ORD-SFO-SYD...... is a currently proposed route)

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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:21 pm

How is a domestic 777 configured? What type of hard product up front?
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:45 pm

I used to fly the DC-10's quite a bit between ORD-LAS back in the day (pre-TED).

Looking at UnitedCargo's Widebody schedule which was posted on 1 November, it does in fact show a 764 flying from ORD -> LAS

ORD LAS 1002 12:10 14:04 764 7

Here's United's link to the widebody schedule incase you haven't seen it before.

http://www.unitedcargo.com/OurNetwor...e=truckSchedule&type=truckSchedule
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:47 pm

Looks like the old 13:10 widebody between ORD and IAD is back too, but just select days:

ORD IAD 1633 13:10 16:03 764 5
ORD IAD 1566 13:14 16:07 764 6
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:16 pm

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 2):

I even have a vague memory of flying from DEN to IAD on a United 747. What an experience! I was young at the time but I still remember that flight today.

Actually I did IAD-DEN on a 747-100 that was in a two class config in 1998.

Do we consider 767s a wide body or just twin aisle?
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:57 pm

I was told UA is moving a 747 on EWR-HNL.   
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:08 pm

Quoting flylku (Reply 22):
Do we consider 767s a wide body or just twin aisle?


Don't know about others, but I consider a 767 as wide body
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:36 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 23):
I was told UA is moving a 747 on EWR-HNL.

That doesn't make sense, though. UA has stated that they want to keep the 747's concentrated at ORD and SFO. And where would the aircraft rotate in from? They don't currently send 747s to either HNL or EWR.

I know you're only the messenger, but it doesn't really add up.
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:20 pm

Quoting flylku (Reply 22):


Do we consider 767s a wide body or just twin aisle?

Didn't know we had narrow body, wide body, and now twin aisle categories lol. Yes the 767 is a wide body. Why wouldn't it be? It's classified as a heavy, it's got two aisles, and is big. That should sum it up for ya  
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:45 pm

Quoting Manta (Reply 20):
Looking at UnitedCargo's Widebody schedule which was posted on 1 November, it does in fact show a 764 flying from ORD -> LAS

ORD LAS 1002 12:10 14:04 764 7

Here's United's link to the widebody schedule incase you haven't seen it before.

http://www.unitedcargo.com/OurNetwor...edule

...although it's just one day/week. But it's a very interesting list. From historic trends, do the schedules change much? It also shows a daily LAX - IAH 787, too.
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:15 am

yes. daily 787 from IAH-LAX which feeds PVG and NRT. DEN gets 787 from IAH-DEN-NRT route.. They then turn around and go to the other city. So far the 787 is performing better than say.. a few months ago  
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:34 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 23):

I was told UA is moving a 747 on EWR-HNL.   

Oooh I hope you're right.

Not long ago we did UA664/972 as 744 between ORD and SFO several times.
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:21 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 25):
And where would the aircraft rotate in from? They don't currently send 747s to either HNL or EWR.

This is new too, I believe: United is now operating a 747 from Honolulu to Tokyo, which I can confirm because it showed up as the equipment on my parents' HNL - NRT flight next week. Airline Route Mapper is also reporting UA 747 service between NRT and BKK.

However, the only airports in the contiguous US to have United 747 service are SFO and LAX, according to the program. I know ORD used to have UA 747 service, and it would be great to see that come back. And domestic 747 service -- well, that almost seems too much to ask for, but you never know.

While I'm at it, here are the changes in the reported UA 747 service from July 16, 2013 to November 2, 2013:
New routes:
NRT to HNL
NRT to BKK

Terminated routes:
SFO to LHR
SFO to KIX

United 747 Service continues between SFO and PEK, FRA, NRT, ICN, PVG, HKG, and SYD, between LAX and SYD, and between SYD and MEL.

Thanks for all the info everyone!

[Edited 2013-11-03 18:22:02]

[Edited 2013-11-03 18:50:34]
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:39 am

The 744 is moving back to ORD as well.
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:49 am

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 30):

SFO-PEK is also a 744.
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:53 am

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 31):
The 744 is moving back to ORD as well.

Would love to see that, but where are you getting this info from? Has there been some sort of news release?

Quoting legacyins (Reply 32):
SFO-PEK is also a 744.

Thanks for catching that.
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:29 am

Yes, starting 3/30/14 ORD-NRT and 4/2014 ORD-FRA sees 744. Also it looks like the ORD-LAS-IAH 764 routing is only 1 day.
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:37 am

Great to hear, thanks for providing the start date. I'm sure the UA 747 will receive a warm welcome back in ORD. Since both ORD and SFO will have NRT flights, I wonder if we would ever see a NRT - SFO - ORD - NRT or NRT - SFO - ORD - SFO - NRT 747 route develop. Or do airlines not really operate that way?
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:37 am

Delta has had a 747 on the NRT to BKK route for a while now. Maybe the traffic is picking back up.

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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:53 am

Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 30):
United 747 Service continues between LAX and SYD, and between SYD and MEL.

Australian services are moving to 772s shortly
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:20 am

My all time favorite flights when I was a kid in the 1970's and early 80's.....

UA 35 which left EWR around 10am and arrived in SFO around 1pm. It was almost always a 747.

UA 34 which left SFO around 1:30pm and arrived in EWR before 10pm. It was usually a DC-10 but occasionally a 747.

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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:14 am

Do they still fly the B 747-400 domestically?

Also any plans for them to upgrade ORD-HKG-SIN to a B 747-400?
 
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:11 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 39):

no. ORD-HKG will continue with a 777.
 
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Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:51 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 23):
I was told UA is moving a 747 on EWR-HNL.

I laughed when I saw this post because you knew when you posted it that it wasn't the truth it was just meant to stir the pot.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 39):
Do they still fly the B 747-400 domestically?

UA does not fly 744 domestically except during re-positioning flights and those repo flights should take place sometime at the end of next march when the 744 returns to ORD. There should be several 744 flights from SFO to ORD and in addition to the daily 777 that flies SFO-ORD-SFO there should be several 772ER's flying from ORD-SFO during that time as well as ORD will be loosing a few 772ER while gaining a few 744's. After that re-positioning period there will no longer be domestic 744 flights.
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:37 pm

But what about domestic 748 flights?   
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:52 pm

Quoting Burchfiel (Thread starter):
Is this news too good to be true? Is United really offering 777 service from Dulles to Denver? Or did the program get something wrong?

And why not?

I used to ride a DC-10 and get my evening meal on that route.  
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:31 pm

Quoting Manta (Reply 20):
I used to fly the DC-10's quite a bit between ORD-LAS back in the day (pre-TED).

Sure did. LAS and HNL were the last 2 DC-10 flights left in the network. Both out of ORD . Flight 43/44 and 700/701 . I think.

I think the UA 744 was an up-gauge for CES.
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:17 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 23):
I was told UA is moving a 747 on EWR-HNL.
Quoting Burchfiel (Reply 30):
This is new too, I believe: United is now operating a 747 from Honolulu to Tokyo, which I can confirm because it showed up as the equipment on my parents' HNL - NRT flight next week. Airline Route Mapper is also reporting UA 747 service between NRT and BKK.
Quoting jayunited (Reply 41):
I laughed when I saw this post because you knew when you posted it that it wasn't the truth it was just meant to stir the pot.

Yes, I doubt it too. Plus, UA tends to keep PMCO and PMUA aircraft on their respective longhaul routes (though not exclusively).
 
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RE: UA Expands Domestic Widebody Network?

Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:59 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 45):

however, now that the pilot group is combined, we'll begin to see some swapping around.

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