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Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:42 pm

Emirates want to increase its capacity on its A380 aircrafts by adding 1 seat on every row bring a total of 11 seats across in economy class

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...tes-eyes-11-across-seating-on-a380

EK by adding one seat will now make passengers not comfortable, and A380 mainly flies mid and long haul destinations. except if these flights will operate to the Gulf or to the subcontinents
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:46 pm

ist tight now with 10 , but resonably bearable, 11 across and I am off to QR for my (non business, meaning I pay (( trips 'down under´ in cattle class! not a good idea, EK should think about their brand value. 10 on the tripples is already a wee bit tight in Eco !!!

[Edited 2013-11-07 10:48:38]
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:49 pm

He said they have tried it and it works. There is no new news here. They looked into it years ago and it is always an option however, there does not appear to be anything firm in the works. He has stated many times that customer feedback on the A380 is very strong and they want to keep it that way.

Maybe if India opens up things may change.

Long term, I do believe they will go to 11-abreast but it does not seem to be in the near future.

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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:50 pm

This seems to be a hidden but vital bit of news.

"Now Bloomberg has today reported that aircraft leasing firm Doric plans to order 20 A380s by the end of the year."
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:26 pm

I say make 5-tier bunk beds and pack us all like Sardines ...

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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:39 pm

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 1):
ist tight now with 10 , but resonably bearable

????
An A380 at 10-abreast is about as spacious as Y gets ......

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 2):
however, there does not appear to be anything firm in the works. He has stated many times that customer feedback on the A380 is very strong and they want to keep it that way

That's how I read it too.

I can see them at some point having A380's configured both ways, dependent upon which markets they wish to serve. But they seem to value the "printing money" differentiation the plane offers them just now

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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:45 pm

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 3):
This seems to be a hidden but vital bit of news.

"Now Bloomberg has today reported that aircraft leasing firm Doric plans to order 20 A380s by the end of the year."

I believe this is the MOU that was announced earlier in the year but has not been finalized yet. IINM.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 2):

Long term, I do believe they will go to 11-abreast but it does not seem to be in the near future.

When the time comes it's a very inexpensive way to grow your capacity about 10%. Maybe call it:

3-5-3 Y-
3-4-3 Y
3-3-3 Y+
2-4-2 J
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:31 pm

Quoting almehairiauh (Thread starter):

EK by adding one seat will now make passengers not comfortable, and A380 mainly flies mid and long haul destinations. except if these flights will operate to the Gulf or to the subcontinents

11-abreast on the A380 shouldn't be any worse than 10-abreast on EK's 777s, except for the passenger in the middle seat of the 5-abreast center section, but no worse than the same seat in the many DC-10s and L-1011s that operated with 2-5-2 Y class.

[Edited 2013-11-07 13:34:01]

[Edited 2013-11-07 13:34:33]
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:49 pm

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 1):
ist tight now with 10 , but resonably bearable, 11 across and I am off to QR for my (non business, meaning I pay (( trips 'down under´ in cattle class! not a good idea, EK should think about their brand value. 10 on the tripples is already a wee bit tight in Eco !!!

Err no!

Quoting astuteman (Reply 5):

Agreed!
I think that 11 across on an A380 will be better than 10 across on their B777's.
Personally I wish that EK (or one of the other ME3 would introduce an Y+ as that would suit my budget when travelling long haul MAN - Asia.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:50 pm

If they can do 3-5-3 they can do 2-3-3-2 and give almost everyone a window or aisle seat, even at 17.2" seats. That would be cool...
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:58 pm

Quoting astuteman (Reply 5):
An A380 at 10-abreast is about as spacious as Y gets ......

I prefer 2-3-2 on the 767.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:03 pm

To be fair, I have sat in EK's B77Ws four times already this year (in Y class) DXB-LOS-DXB and found it comfortable. I'm 5 feet 10 inches tall and my knees were not hitting the seat in front of me nor was the seat width tight ! The only aircraft of EK that I do not enjoy flying because of its cramped Y class seat is the A332 which I have flown numerous times KHI-DXB-KHI and once even to IKA.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:18 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 11):
The only aircraft of EK that I do not enjoy flying because of its cramped Y class seat is the A332 which I have flown numerous times KHI-DXB-KHI and once even to IKA.

Don't know about KHI but I've flown on EK's A332 to IKA a few times in Y, and maybe it's been my luck, maybe it's the season, but the load factor has always been around 60% and I've always had the seat next to me empty. Last time was a few years ago though so things might have changed.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:21 am

11 makes a lot of sense. It insures the maximum degree of discomfort to the maximum number of people. I mean, fair is fair, spread the discomfort far and wide, and make a profit doing so... I think I'm beginning to understand why the 7474s and the 380s aren't exactly selling like gangbusters. I don't travel a lot, but when I do, I fly business class... And I wouldn't go near that airline (or RyanAir) if you paid me.
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:28 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 11):
To be fair, I have sat in EK's B77Ws four times already this year (in Y class) DXB-LOS-DXB and found it comfortable.

I sat in a 77W in Y from SFO-DXB for nearly 16hrs and found it incredibly uncomfortable with the seats even narrower at the exit rows! The A380 J class seat to JFK was just as bad. IMHO EK is a lot of things to a lot of people but it seems to stand for nothing.

put the 11 across and I'll gladly fly EY or QR.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:42 am

Real or not real, the A380 with 11-abreast is coming. Inevitable.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 9):
If they can do 3-5-3 they can do 2-3-3-2 and give almost everyone a window or aisle seat, even at 17.2" seats. That would be cool...

I have dreamed of more aisles in the past. Now I see it differently. First aisles do not generate revenue. Second, aisles are not occupied the vast majority of time aircraft are in service.

Look at the 767-300. How about making it a single aisle in coach 3-4? Preserve the pitch and the seat count. Make seats 21 inches wide with the room afforded by the elimination of one aisle.
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:43 am

I don’t think going 3-5-3 is a bad thing. This can cause a price drop and more people will fly them. A regular person doesn’t really care about seats.

[Edited 2013-11-07 18:45:27]
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:18 am

If they do this it will be fun to see how quickly Airbus stops its advertising campaign talking about how 18" is the minimum reasonable seat width for long haul. But hey, if it makes the tickets cheaper I'll be the first in there rubbing shoulders with the rest of the jet set.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:38 am

Quoting incitatus (Reply 15):
Look at the 767-300. How about making it a single aisle in coach 3-4? Preserve the pitch and the seat count. Make seats 21 inches wide with the room afforded by the elimination of one aisle.

I may be wrong but I don't think a seat can be more than 2 seats from an aisle due to evacuation requirements, so 4 seats next to the window wouldn't be permitted as the window passenger would be 3 seats from the aisle.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:24 am

I don't see EK or anyone else reducing fares because they can just add a seat per row... I am not extremely tall and recently flew a leg with EK 380, and remember they were not the cheapest... Packed plane, one of the most unenjoyable flight experiences I've ever had.


Its ridiculous how people agree with that kind of thing... gone are the days where people used to travel with some dignity in Y.
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:06 am

So, one deck with few people in what amounts to beds, and one deck with 5 times more people crammed like sardines ?

Are there enough lifeboats ?
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:34 am

Quoting qantas077 (Reply 14):
IMHO EK is a lot of things to a lot of people but it seems to stand for nothing.

  

I spent years wondering what it would be like to fly on EK (somehow I've flown on almost every major airline except Emirates) and then when I did (eight flights in fairly quick succession) I couldn't see what the fuss was about.

"Just another airline," was how I described it to a friend. And I did not enjoy my 10-abreast in Y on a 77W.

Not an airline I'll hurry back to. And certainly not in order to fly 11-abreast on an A380.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:26 am

To generalise, we, the travelling public, have options for a carrier of choice. As with a lot of people who moan about Ryanair - if you don't like the configuration of EK, fly with a different carrier with less dense config if possible on the same routes...
I have no need, nor inclination to fly through DXB no matter how 'low' the fare. Nor will I choose to buy a QF ticket that routes me that way...

Do you really think that major industry carriers such as BA, AF, SQ, UA, LH, AA, QF (and others) are going to imitate, 'match' or 'catch up' to the config of EK to create a new 'industry standard'? I think not - especially for long haul, about which the mentioned carriers already do well in a 'standard' (less dense) config than EK.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:01 am

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 22):
To generalise, we, the travelling public, have options for a carrier of choice. As with a lot of people who moan about Ryanair - if you don't like the configuration of EK, fly with a different carrier with less dense config if possible on the same routes...
I have no need, nor inclination to fly through DXB no matter how 'low' the fare. Nor will I choose to buy a QF ticket that routes me that way...

I couldn't agree more. I already refused to fly Emirates because of their 3-4-3 B77Ws, a 3-5-3 A380 just gives me another reason to stay away. Far, far away.

Perhaps I am a bit unusual in that I actually do put my money where my mouth is and pay a bit more to fly on more comfortably configured aircraft (for me, SQ, AC and LX have been the main beneficiaries of this recently). I just wish more people would wake up and do the same, so that these more comfortable options continue to exist. I don't want airlines to think there's no money to be made off passenger comfort - it won't end well for any of us.

Because of this, I was really happy to see Airbus's 18-inch seats initiative. I really hope it's not simply going to die.

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 22):
Do you really think that major industry carriers such as BA, AF, SQ, UA, LH, AA, QF (and others) are going to imitate, 'match' or 'catch up' to the config of EK to create a new 'industry standard'? I think not - especially for long haul, about which the mentioned carriers already do well in a 'standard' (less dense) config than EK.

Sadly, this is exactly what previously comfortable airlines have been doing.

AC are moving from a comfortable 3-3-3 layout on their existing B77Ws to a 3-4-3 config on their new deliveries of B77Ws, which means AC is unlikely to see much more of my money.

Also, LX have announced 3-4-3 seating for the B77Ws they will be getting. Their current, all-Airbus longhaul fleet (A343s and A333s with a 2-4-2 config) has previously been one of the most comfortable options out there.

AA has a 2-5-2 config on their B772s, but went to 3-4-3 on their new B77Ws.

The new industry standard seems to be to configure the B77W like a slaveship. I hope that trend gets reversed someday, but I'm not holding my breath as long as people only look for the absolute lowest fare...
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:26 am

I am an Economy traveller.
And this discussion about 10 abreast in a B777 and now potentially 11 in an A380 makes and will always make the A340 my preferred choice. Sadly a dying aircraft.
My flight in EK's 777 economy caddle class was a nightmare. And despite flying Economy I will pay to the extra to avoid it.

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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:52 am

If you operate 77Ws and A380s on the same routes, then it's inconsistent to operate both at 10Y, as the A380 is a lot wider. It's like an operator operating the DC10 and 747 at 9Y, or the A320 and BAE146 at 6Y on similar routes...
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:08 am

But that´s intersting.
German leasing company "Doric" which have 20 A380 as option, announced, that they want to fit the A380 with 11 seats in one row too...
here is the article:
http://www.aerotelegraph.com/doric-w...bus-a380-fest-bestellen-mehr-sitze
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:29 am

My manager and director flew back to Dubai from Singapore on an EK A380 the other day and my director was very impressed inside the 388. He did mention though that there were a lot of vacant seats on this flight so they sat where they liked and on the entire row they sat, it was just the two of them while the rest were completely empty.

Makes me wonder are EK not able to fill up seats on their A388 with 10-abreast. I wonder if they 11 is really needed? Makes sense if its on a few aircraft not all.

Their EK 772 Economy seats are congested with the A332 even worse from what I heard.I had the best experience of seats on an Air Arabia flight I took few years ago. The leg room on that flight was fantastic which I can only dream on the EK b772 / A332 that EK uses to fly back to my destination in India.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:35 am

I would think that initially, 11-abreast A380s will fly only Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Phillippines and other "regional" trunk routes that require huge capacity, just to try it out. If successful they will start flying to Europe as well.

I assume there will be range restrictions with so many seats, so DXB-LAX is not feasible with 11-abreast aircraft...?
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:36 am

I flew EK from PER when they had their A340's flying here. Flew their 777's twice, and told myself I'd rather pay a bit more for 9-abreast (2nd time they were really the only option). So, haven't flown them again since (all 777's from PER). Now, they are bringing the A380, and added them back to the list of airlines I search through when looking for fares. If they go to 11-abreast, they will quickly get onto that list again....

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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:46 am

Could have sworn someone wrote in a previous thread the A380 has floor loading issues if you put 11 across on the main floor.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:08 pm

Quoting almehairiauh (Thread starter):
Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

The statement is currently untrue and should be changed or removed.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:14 pm

EK 777 flights are very uncomfortable. Having flown their 380 a few times in 10-abreast (and thankfully also in J), i don't think 11 abreast is going to be that much of a problem. Still be better than their 10-abreast 777 product which is highly uncomfortable.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:54 pm

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 22):
Do you really think that major industry carriers such as BA, AF, SQ, UA, LH, AA, QF (and others) are going to imitate, 'match' or 'catch up' to the config of EK to create a new 'industry standard'? I think not - especially for long haul, about which the mentioned carriers already do well in a 'standard' (less dense) config than EK.

I am sorry to tell you ... but some of these carriers are already squeezing in more seats. AF's B777s are being coverted to 3-4-3 while AA's new B777-300ERs are 3-4-3.

Quoting SVJ77W (Reply 27):
Makes me wonder are EK not able to fill up seats on their A388 with 10-abreast. I wonder if they 11 is really needed? Makes sense if its on a few aircraft not all.
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 28):
I would think that initially, 11-abreast A380s will fly only Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Phillippines and other "regional" trunk routes that require huge capacity, just to try it out. If successful they will start flying to Europe as well.

Of course, if EK were to introduce Y+ when normal Y might become 11-abreast. As we've seen with AA, AF and Air NZ the trend is to downgrade normal Y when a better Y+ product appears.

Quoting trex8 (Reply 30):
Could have sworn someone wrote in a previous thread the A380 has floor loading issues if you put 11 across on the main floor.

If you read the Bloomberg piece re the Doric order for 20 x A380s you will see that the plan is to raise the floor to boost available width.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...end-airbus-jumbo-sale-drought.html
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:55 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 30):
Could have sworn someone wrote in a previous thread the A380 has floor loading issues if you put 11 across on the main floor.

That was me, but I can't find the source I thought I found it from, so it could be bunkum

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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:02 pm

I wonder how EK gets to be called "the airline of the year", they already have a surprisingly cramped business class in all of their fleet (777 being the worst with 7 abreast) and now this.
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:13 pm

I have to add the same comment as many above have. I have flown the 380 and it has the most space I can recall - not just the cabin - the seats .
I also noted that my daughter was annoyed because her (window) seat did not even go to the outer wall ( by 2 plus inches -she likes to sleep with her head rested against it) Thus they are not even maximising with what they have got now - and the seats are very wide at present.
Of course it is sad that the 777 has gone in the last 5 years from 9 across to 10.And yes it will be sad when (not if) the 380 moves to 11 from 10.But of course it is more than possible.
I would imagine it would be approx a 17in seat with slightly narrower isles (and this would not require a change to the wall insulation (which of course in time they could do).
For Emirates it would probably give them about 60 more seats.Why not? Clearly they can fill them.With the 10 across 777X on the horizon this must happen. And yes Airbus should stop going on about 18in. We all know that it is better - so is 19ins.Just get over it - it is the sign of the times.
Far more of a problem is the 350 XWB frankly. It is (now) a 777 compeditor so it is not XWB it is XNB! And in there lies a problem methinks.'Cos you have to go to 16ins for that extra seat and that (for anybody who has flown on 330's in the "extra seat" cofig) will testify!
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:00 pm

I have Flown EK 77W in 3-4-3 and A332 in 2-4-2
I would much prefer the A332 for comfort but it obviously lacks good IFE, but they are usually on shorter flights anyway so its not really a problem.

I love 777s in 3-3-3 but hate in 3-4-3 so would try to avoid EK in the future unless its on the A380 with 3-4-3.
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:14 pm

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 22):
To generalise, we, the travelling public, have options for a carrier of choice.

People keep saying this. But virtually every major airline is slowly but surely moving to the new norm of 10-across on their 777s. The trend to keep degrading the Y products is now firmly established. And unless you are in the 1% crowd whose companies pay for J, you are hooped.

Worse, the choice gets more artificial when you consider routings. The reason Emirates is so popular after all is its one-stop model for markets like North America/Europe to India/South East Asia/Australia. So in reality, a more comfortable seat might result in a trip that is several hours longer and with an extra or even two extra stops.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 23):
I just wish more people would wake up and do the same, so that these more comfortable options continue to exist. I don't want airlines to think there's no money to be made off passenger comfort - it won't end well for any of us.

Agreed. But Adam Smith and all that. I'd gladly pay more to travel in Y+. But even in my family, none of them refuses to shell out a few hundred bucks more for a better trip. Yet, I somewhat agree with them that I shouldn't have to pay more to get Y+, when that same product was available as Y product not all that long ago. This is like companies that make jars of peanut butter or cereal reducing their sizes while keeping the same price.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 23):
AC are moving from a comfortable 3-3-3 layout on their existing B77Ws to a 3-4-3 config on their new deliveries of B77Ws, which means AC is unlikely to see much more of my money.

The only reason I fly AC is because of Aeroplan and because I live in Canada. Given a solid alternative, I'd switch completely. How I wish Westjet would truly become a OneWorld carrier. Now that I have Aegean *Gold, I use that status on every other Star Carrier and just avoid AC.

Quoting loalq (Reply 35):
I wonder how EK gets to be called "the airline of the year", they already have a surprisingly cramped business class in all of their fleet (777 being the worst with 7 abreast) and now this.

This. People rave about EK. And all I see is an airline that's resting on its laurels, largely relying on all the goodwill they've built up over the years. I already think their 3-4-3 777s suck. And now 11-abreast A380s? I'll pick TK over any of the Gulf Carriers anyday.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:28 pm

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 22):
Do you really think that major industry carriers such as BA, AF, SQ, UA, LH, AA, QF

Oh well. Some of these "major industry carriers" are drivers in the trend to cram more Y seats in the same amount of space. In Europe the lead is KL, followed closely by its sister AF. In the Unietd States it is DL.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):

I may be wrong but I don't think a seat can be more than 2 seats from an aisle due to evacuation requirements, so 4 seats next to the window wouldn't be permitted as the window passenger would be 3 seats from the aisle.

I am not sure it is currently legal or not. In the past Tridents with a 4-3 configuration flew in the UK.

Quoting leonardoq (Reply 19):

I don't see EK or anyone else reducing fares because they can just add a seat per row...

Long-haul travel is just becoming more and more competitive. That in itself drives the price down - not the cost per seat. Airlines try to figure out how to deliver the product at a lower cost so that they are profitable - their other option is to exit markets and shutdown.
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:34 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 23):
I just wish more people would wake up and do the same, so that these more comfortable options continue to exist. I don't want airlines to think there's no money to be made off passenger comfort - it won't end well for any of us.

I have a limited budget when it comes to travel. For example, a few years ago we booked a holiday to Australia flying on EK. If we had booked on SQ, we could only have got to Singapore on our flight budget. Whilst you may wish people would 'wake up', we all make trade offs when deciding where and how to travel. The EK option whilst slightly less comfortable, allowed me to get to my primary choice of location. I hope airlines continue to cater to me and not just those people who are 'awake'.

Quoting trex8 (Reply 30):
Could have sworn someone wrote in a previous thread the A380 has floor loading issues if you put 11 across on the main floor.

IIRC, to keep within floor limits on the main deck at 11 abreast, pitch needs to increase slightly to eliminate a row or two.

Quoting parapente (Reply 36):
Far more of a problem is the 350 XWB frankly. It is (now) a 777 compeditor so it is not XWB it is XNB! And in there lies a problem methinks.'Cos you have to go to 16ins for that extra seat and that (for anybody who has flown on 330's in the "extra seat" cofig) will testify!

The XWB is so called because it is wider than the A300/310/330/340. It may compete against the 777 & 77x but it dosn't need to be 10 abreast to do so.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting FlyingFan18 (Reply 16):

I don’t think going 3-5-3 is a bad thing. This can cause a price drop and more people will fly them. A regular person doesn’t really care about seats.

Exactly. This will allow EK to discount their tickets about 8% and that will pull in more customers than those who care. This brings the A380 floor area per passenger to still above the 77W and 10 across in the 777 isn't bad.

Besides, without a tighter Y, how can airlines sell Y+ or J.    If you want space, you are going to pay for it. Let those who want to pay less do so.

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Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:19 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 33):
If you read the Bloomberg piece re the Doric order for 20 x A380s you will see that the plan is to raise the floor to boost available width.

I'm no engineer and please let those who are chip in but I would think the cost of recertifying that type of change ranks right up there with any major structural change in the design!!!
Just adding a new platform above the present floor to elevate the seat elbow level to a wider portion of the fuselage diameter seems like an awful lot of weight!
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:31 pm

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/medi...ata/AC/Airbus-AC_A380_20121101.pdf

page 82

how does elevating the floor get you more usable width for an extra seat??? Unless you want no headroom. Of course thats it! In that cattle class there will be no overhead compartments for hand luggage!! And forget looking out the windows unless you are lying on the floor!

[Edited 2013-11-08 09:33:09]
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:50 pm

Quoting lhrnue (Reply 24):
And this discussion about 10 abreast in a B777 and now potentially 11 in an A380 makes and will always make the A340 my preferred choice.

As long as it's 8 abreast in Y! Are there any carriers with 9 abreast A340? I flew a few times in Air Transat 9 abreast A330 (Same cross section than A340) and they are even tighter than AC 10 abreast B777.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:56 pm

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 40):
Quoting flyingalex (Reply 23):
I just wish more people would wake up and do the same, so that these more comfortable options continue to exist. I don't want airlines to think there's no money to be made off passenger comfort - it won't end well for any of us.

I have a limited budget when it comes to travel. For example, a few years ago we booked a holiday to Australia flying on EK. If we had booked on SQ, we could only have got to Singapore on our flight budget. Whilst you may wish people would 'wake up', we all make trade offs when deciding where and how to travel. The EK option whilst slightly less comfortable, allowed me to get to my primary choice of location. I hope airlines continue to cater to me and not just those people who are 'awake'.

And I wish there are a huge bunch of "people who never sleep" who buy their own private jets so even more super comfortable options continue to exist. I don't want the private jet manufacturers to think there's no money to make off super luxurious travel.      
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:12 pm

Quoting Dash9 (Reply 44):
As long as it's 8 abreast in Y! Are there any carriers with 9 abreast A340? I flew a few times in Air Transat 9 abreast A330 (Same cross section than A340) and they are even tighter than AC 10 abreast B777.

Air Asia X had 9 across Y on their A343 and still do on their A333
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air...ia_X/AirAsia_X_Airbus_A330-300.php
http://www.seatplans.com/airlines/AirAsiaX/seatplans/A340-4
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:58 pm

Emirates CEO Tim Clark said, "We've tried it [11-across A380 seating]. It works."

just like the SQ A380 which I'm now going to fly.  
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:23 pm

Quoting idealstandard (Reply 32):
aving flown their 380 a few times in 10-abreast (and thankfully also in J), i don't think 11 abreast is going to be that much of a problem. Still be better than their 10-abreast 777 product which is highly uncomfortable.

Agreed, an 11 across A388 will be better than a 10 across B777.
 
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RE: Emirates Want 11 Across Seats On A380

Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:29 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 48):
Agreed, an 11 across A388 will be better than a 10 across B777.

can someone please shed some light on the seat width in these different considerations?

11-abreast on A380
10-abreast on A380
10-abreast on B777
9-abreast on B777

what are actual seat widths in those configurations?

or do the airlines keep using the same seats, just packed one more?

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