JoePatroni707
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Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:14 pm

I know a few European charter carries have gone to a 2-4-2 seating configuration on 767s. Not sure if any US carriers have or ever will try it. But just thinking that since AA went to 10x on 773s, and Emirates is looking at 11x on 388's could that open the door for carriers for try a 2-4-2 on a 767.
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:18 pm

I remember flying on Airtours 767 with 8 abreast giving a total of 327 seats on the aircraft. By the time I got to Cancun I had to be crowbarred out of the seat. It was not very comfortable.
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:34 pm

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Thread starter):
could that open the door for carriers for try a 2-4-2 on a 767.

It depends on how long the type will remain in service with major scheduled airlines or their subsidiaries, however I think there are serious chances this could happen.
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:49 pm

FYI, 2-4-2 on a 767 is significantly worse than a 777 at 3-4-3. I don't see any U.S. carriers adopting such configuration. The same goes with an A330 at 3-3-3.

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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:09 pm

I recall being told on here a while ago in a discussion about the TOM 767's thare in this config that apparently they have a different exit door setup and reinforced floors to take the extra weight.

Personally if never found it too bad the one time I flew transatlantic on one, but then I had two by the window, but the aisles are very narrow, and ive always taken the upgraded cabin for the last few years with them.
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:32 pm

Quoting davies2911 (Reply 4):
I recall being told on here a while ago in a discussion about the TOM 767's thare in this config that apparently they have a different exit door setup and reinforced floors to take the extra weight.

That's right. The ex FCA 767's couldn't be reconfigured into 2-4-2 because of the flooring issue. Also I think they had fairly new seats which are wider. The TOM 767's had quite slim seats in comparison to most and seated 328 passengers. I think the TOM 767's are still in this config for S/H high density routes, but occasionally sub for long haul, which i'm sure doesn't go down well!
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:42 pm

Quoting bx737 (Reply 1):
I remember flying on Airtours 767 with 8 abreast giving a total of 327 seats on the aircraft. By the time I got to Cancun I had to be crowbarred out of the seat. It was not very comfortable.

Would you fly them again at the same price? OK, how about if we dropped the price 100€?
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:50 pm

Pretty sure I remember DL having 2-4-2 on their 767s a few years back. Not sure if that's still the case though.
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:56 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
FYI, 2-4-2 on a 767 is significantly worse than a 777 at 3-4-3. I don't see any U.S. carriers adopting such configuration. The same goes with an A330 at 3-3-3.

IIRC the MX A330s had a 3-3-3 config. due to the fact they were originally spec´ed. for a European charter whose name escapes me right now. Never flew them though.
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:59 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 6):

No once bitten twice shy, it was uncomfortable, more so in the middle seats than the window seats. The flight home was CUN-LGW-MAN with a two hour delay in LGW, I reckon 13hours all told, learned my lesson and have never used a long haul charter flight since.
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:02 pm

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 7):
Pretty sure I remember DL having 2-4-2 on their 767s a few years back. Not sure if that's still the case though.

Nope, DL never had any 767 configured in 2-4-2.
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:35 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10):

Not sure what I'm thinking of then (2-3-2 maybe?). Thanks for the info.

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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:41 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 10):
Quoting Acey559 (Reply 7):
Pretty sure I remember DL having 2-4-2 on their 767s a few years back. Not sure if that's still the case though.

Nope, DL never had any 767 configured in 2-4-2.

Only a small number of charter/leisure carriers have operated 8-abreast 767s and not many. 10-abreast 777s are bad enough but 8-abreast 767s are worse which is why no major scheduled carriers have considered the idea.
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:05 am

Here is a pix of 3-3-3 cabin configuration on an A330-200
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Airbu...d=15ec52f873579688babe545f736c981e
Looks OK, but I sure don't want to be flying on it even for free  
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:30 am

IIRC only UK charter carriers who steadfastly offered 28 in. pitch as standard had 2-4-2 configured 767s. Who else could get 298 seats on a 767-200! (I will stand corrected on that number, but it was not far from it. Go figure. And from the UK to Mexico. Ouch.
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:25 am

Quoting Natflyer (Reply 15):
Who else could get 298 seats on a 767-200

When I worked for Thomson years ago, the 752 seated 235, the 762 was 290, the 763 was 315 with premium cabin, 328 without premium all economy.
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:18 pm

Nothing wrong with 3-3-3 on an A330 or 2-4-2 on a 767 unless you're an adult.

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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:43 pm

I know Nordwind Airlines seats 2-4-2 in their 767's.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Nordw...d=4e649ed75b4b692d5283d8ebdfca6a15

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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:23 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 14):

I am an American, 2nd generation Scottish decent by coincidently. I'm not fat? I could use to lose a stone (I love my shortbread) but not enough to be a "fat American". I would happily fly a 2-3-2 on a 767, I would really want a window to lean against and it cuts your chances in half of having to sit next to a fat person.

The world knows the stats surrounding the obesity crisis in the United States, and it's a real crisis. But I don't see the relevance of being American and fat on a 2-4-2 767 vs my 225+ lbs Aunt who lives in Bear's Den?

Ok, rant over. As for me; I would pay for E+ when possible as I have long legs. I don't recall economy ever being comfortable...which is why I always laugh at the name "Economy Comfort" on Delta.
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:39 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 8):

MX's A330-200s were supposed to go to XL airways.
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:55 pm

IIRC AIr Mauritius 762s were configured 2-4-2 - I never flew it, but I recall a 'Flight International' print article about it (possibly the first time that config was implemented, hence the article)
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:15 pm

I have flown on BY's 767-200 and -300 which had a 2-4-2 layout and it was on a 4 hour flight to LPA.
It was very uncomfortable. I also flew Monarch's A330 3-3-3 to Cuba which was also really horrible.

Last year I was on EK's 777-300 and 777-200 with the 3-4-3 and found it very comfortable.
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:09 am

Quoting Natflyer (Reply 14):
IIRC only UK charter carriers who steadfastly offered 28 in. pitch as standard had 2-4-2 configured 767s. Who else could get 298 seats on a 767-200! (I will stand corrected on that number, but it was not far from it. Go figure. And from the UK to Mexico. Ouch.

Britannia Airways used to fly their 2-4-2 configured 767-204ER aircraft on charter flights to Australia from the UK. Now that must have been ouch!
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:30 am

Quoting raffik (Reply 21):
Last year I was on EK's 777-300 and 777-200 with the 3-4-3 and found it very comfortable.

3-3-3 is better.

Quoting LHRBFSTrident (Reply 20):
IIRC AIr Mauritius 762s were configured 2-4-2 - I never flew it, but I recall a 'Flight International' print article about it (possibly the first time that config was implemented, hence the article)

12 F 6-abreast, 21 J 7-abreast, 169 Y 8-abreast on their 2 762ERs according to the Flight International article in question dated June 4, 1988. You'll find it in the Flightglobal archives. All sub-standard products for a scheduled carrier 767.

6-abreast F class was always a second rate product on 767s, and who would pay J fares for 7-abreast when almost all 767 operators offered 7-abreast in Y class.
 
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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:50 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
according to the Flight International article in question dated June 4, 1988.

I thought my memory was good - but your research skills are better! In the days before A.net and internet access I think I memorized every word of Flight International - that plus being 16 and obsessed with CivAv.

I found a pic of the J cabin from the same time period - to make up for my earlier laziness - certainly looks basic: but then I think we were all still using pneumatic headphones in 1988, and J class was just evolving with 'cradle' seats at the leading airlines: so I can forgive MK this fairly basic cabin…a different world:


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RE: Airlines With 2-4-2 On 767's

Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:48 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 2):
It depends on how long the type will remain in service with major scheduled airlines or their subsidiaries, however I think there are serious chances this could happen.

I hate to agree with you but could see. These flying kettles will do anything to save a few dollars/euros or what ever. If you chose to fly some of those dodgy charter airlines that do this it is one you, you know what you are getting into. I just hope the other carriers wont resort to this

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