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willzzz88
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Curious About DTW And International Connections

Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:10 am

So I was talking with some friends recently and we got onto the subject of DTW and the international flights it has. For our collective curiosity sake does anyone have data on the % of passengers going through DTW that are either connecting or purely O&D for one end of an international flight?

I'm especially interested in the following:

For flights to Asia (PVG, PEK, NRT, ICN, NGO), what % of these flights are purely O&D versus connecting?

What about Europe (LHR, FRA, CDG, AMS)?

Especially curious about traffic on Delta as that's their 2nd largest hub in the US.

Does Delta delay these wide-body flights so customers make their connections if there is a late in-bound?

What % of customers mis-connect?

I've read through the lenses that top feeder flights for the Asia flights are the US global cities in the North-east (BOS, DCA/IAD/BWI, PHL, JFK/EWR/LGA).
 
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RE: Curious About DTW And International Connections

Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:22 am

Quoting willzzz88 (Thread starter):
For flights to Asia (PVG, PEK, NRT, ICN, NGO), what % of these flights are purely O&D versus connecting?

I can only answer for NRT and NGO, and can only give rough estimates because I don't know the exact numbers.

NRT about 1/2 to about 1/4 is purely O&D, and the rest is connecting, mostly from some point in the midwest.

NGO is a lot higher because of the auto industry connections between the cities.

Also keep in mind these two flights have continuing service (TPE and MNL respectively) so that probably draws more connecting pax. Especially with NRT.

Actually, I'll be honest- I think 1/4 O&D to NRT is really giving DTW a thumb on the scale...depending on that day there could probably be about 20 or 30 onboard the 744 who originated in DTW, and the rest are connecting from some point in the US, simply because of both DTW's and NRT's position as asian hubs.

Quoting willzzz88 (Thread starter):
What % of customers mis-connect?

If the NRT inbound is late by over 45-50 minutes most who are connecting will mis-connect if they have a tight connection. Consequently, everytime my dad has flown into DTW from NRT, he's mis-connected....and that's 3 times.

Maybe it's just him.

I've always used a different port of entry and mis-connected once out of SEA. For DL to NRT, I always go through MSP.

Quoting willzzz88 (Thread starter):
Does Delta delay these wide-body flights so customers make their connections if there is a late in-bound?

It's been known to but with my dad's case it hasn't happened at all. The CRJ to CVG seems to be filled to the brim each time  
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RE: Curious About DTW And International Connections

Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:56 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
If the NRT inbound is late by over 45-50 minutes most who are connecting will mis-connect if they have a tight connection. Consequently, everytime my dad has flown into DTW from NRT, he's mis-connected....and that's 3 times.

This is a very broad and over-the-top generalization. The time required to connect depends on many factors such as checked luggage, whether you have GE, and whether there are other international arrivals at the same time. Even before GE I've done 20 minute connections (was flying AMS-DTW-FNT and was able to hop on an earlier DTW-FNT departure).
 
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RE: Curious About DTW And International Connections

Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:32 pm

Quoting willzzz88 (Thread starter):
For our collective curiosity sake does anyone have data on the % of passengers going through DTW that are either connecting or purely O&D for one end of an international flight?
DTW at a rough estimate somewhere around 50% O&D versus 50% connecting traffic.
Someone with more time or better sources to good data could give you an actual data, but I'm fairly confident its somewhere between 45%-55%.

Of course each flight and/or city pair will vary.

Quoting willzzz88 (Thread starter):
Does Delta delay these wide-body flights so customers make their connections if there is a late in-bound?

There are many operational factors that come into play when deciding when/if/how long to hold an international flight for connecting passengers. If the circumstances allow and it involves a significant number of passengers, yes. If it is for a one-off flight, few number of passengers, etc. then no.

Quoting willzzz88 (Thread starter):
What % of customers mis-connect?

I doubt anyone will be able to provide said statistics as it is likely proprietary data.

Quoting willzzz88 (Thread starter):
I've read through the lenses that top feeder flights for the Asia flights are the US global cities in the North-east (BOS, DCA/IAD/BWI, PHL, JFK/EWR/LGA).

That is likely correct as they are the biggest population centers to Asia and many do not have direct access to some of the markets.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):

If the NRT inbound is late by over 45-50 minutes most who are connecting will mis-connect if they have a tight connection. Consequently, everytime my dad has flown into DTW from NRT, he's mis-connected....and that's 3 times.

Maybe it's just him.

I've always used a different port of entry and mis-connected once out of SEA. For DL to NRT, I always go through MSP.

They are less likely to hold domestic connections, especially if they can reaccomodate on later flights that day.

Must have bad luck. I fly close to 100 flights per year and only misconnect about once a year.

[Edited 2013-11-17 15:37:02]
 
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RE: Curious About DTW And International Connections

Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:37 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 3):
I fly close to 100 flights per day

Say WHAT???? Only CLOSE to 100??
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RE: Curious About DTW And International Connections

Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:46 pm

Quoting michman (Reply 2):
Even before GE I've done 20 minute connections (was flying AMS-DTW-FNT and was able to hop on an earlier DTW-FNT departure).

HOW THE HELL do you do a 20 minute connection?!

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 3):
Must have bad luck. I fly close to 100 flights per year and only misconnect about once a year.

Maybe. I've had similar luck at SEA
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 4):
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 3):
I fly close to 100 flights per day

Say WHAT???? Only CLOSE to 100??

100 per day......how the hell do you do that?! Or do you mean per month? or Year ?
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RE: Curious About DTW And International Connections

Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:07 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
HOW THE HELL do you do a 20 minute connection?!

I walk fast, so I made it to the immigration checkpoint before just about anyone else and there was no wait. Had no checked luggage and the DTW-FNT flight was departing from concourse A near the centerpoint. I did sprint a bit to the departure gate from the centerpoint.
 
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RE: Curious About DTW And International Connections

Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:16 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
HOW THE HELL do you do a 20 minute connection?!

Not sure about 20mins but i was able to get off my AMS inbound flight go thru customs/immigration and on to my next flight to LAX in 30mins...
 
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RE: Curious About DTW And International Connections

Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:41 am

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 7):
Quoting michman (Reply 6):

Wow the DTW line must be amazingly fast.

It's like going through NRT: in and out and on the train platform in 20 minutes.
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RE: Curious About DTW And International Connections

Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:02 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 7):Quoting michman (Reply 6):
Wow the DTW line must be amazingly fast.

It really surprises me that DL / NW have never really tried to emphasize how much quicker it is to make international to domestic connections at DTW than it is at ORD.

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