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andz
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RE: Tatarstan Airlines Boeing 737 Crash In Kazan, Russia

Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:29 pm

Quoting timpdx (Reply 78):
There is clearer video (slightly so) available

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europ...h-a-sign-of-a-failing-system-video


According to the dippy newsreader it is a Boeing 747.

We received a group wide email a couple of days ago from our CEO, 6 colleagues were on this flight. RIP.
After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
 
trigged
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RE: Tatarstan Airlines Boeing 737 Crash In Kazan, Russia

Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:51 pm

Quoting trigged (Reply 74):
Any chance this was a stall, the pilots were pushing it nose down to get some airspeed, and ended up losing orientation with respect to how close to the ground they were?

It appears as though my assumption may have been partially correct. How could they have lost orientation so badly as to put the aircraft into the ground at that angle? They had to know they were really low to begin with.
 
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RE: Tatarstan Airlines Boeing 737 Crash In Kazan, Russia

Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:55 am

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 99):
No, it doesn't report that at all. MAK has specifically said that there was no stall; the crew were reacting to an impending stall and in doing so pushed the a/c into a dive which they evidently did not recover from.

I'll re-read it later (Av Herald seems to be down at the moment). I don't known that it makes a big difference though. Something must have happened after they initiated the stall recovery.

I wonder about this: What might be a natural reaction right after initiating a go-around? Glance at the approach plate to double-check the missed approach hold point. A look down at the plate at the critical moment might have contributed to the disorientation.
 
LTC8K6
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RE: Tatarstan Airlines Boeing 737 Crash In Kazan, Russia

Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:00 am

No idea if this could possibly be related, and think it probably couldn't be, but it's an interesting incident anyway.


Incident: Norwegian B738 at Kittila on Dec 26th 2012, unintentional steep climb on ILS approach

http://avherald.com/h?article=4603ef59/0000&opt=0
 
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RE: Tatarstan Airlines Boeing 737 Crash In Kazan, Russia

Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:39 pm

Russia: Crashed pilot may have had fake license

Quote:
The Russian pilot who sent a Boeing 737 into a near-vertical dive, killing all 50 people on board, might have had a fake license, Russian investigators said Friday.


Investigative Committee spokesman Vladimir Markin said his team believes that some pilots working for small regional airlines in Russia have not been properly trained but managed to get fake licenses in centers certified by the country's aviation agency.

Markin said the pilot who sent the Boeing 737 into a dive after an aborted first landing attempt in the city of Kazan had received his license from a small training center that has since been shut down.

Sounds like some of these Russian pilot training schools are as sketchy as some of the truck driving training schools here in the US.....

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