Hi All,

Part 17 became long so Part 18 is being created in order to continue the conversation. The previous thread can be found here United Fleet Upgrade Status Part 17 (by jetblueguy22 Aug 10 2013 in Civil Aviation) .

Regards,
Pat

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 260 : Thanks for the update CALTECH, but N199UA was painted 1/5/13 at AMA and N105UA was painted 2/13/13 in VCV. Both have photos with globe paint on the internet. Could the 1/15 date be for touch-up?

Showing them both going into VCV one after the other for 12 day paint holds, likely full strip and paint. Touch-up, typo, more likely a total strip and repaint ? Some of the Fleet are going in for warranty work, as some paint jobs look like they did not adhere well. Others are going in for full paint jobs as they only received United titles.

-----ALERT-----
Continental Retro # 436 scheduled for paint 2014. Continental or United, if United then the Fleet will be able to be completed.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 260):: Do you have dates on the 763s? N648UA is in AMA now. From you post 257 above, will N660UA, N641UA, N655UA, N654UA get painted since they are leaving the fleet in 14 and early 15? Others unpainted are: N642/646/649/651/658/659/661/662UA

767-322 Completed
N648U 11/24/2013 AMA
N654U 12/05/2013 AMA
N649U 12/15/2013 AMA
N651U 12/26/2013 AMA
N646U 01/05/14 AMA
N661U 1/15/2014 OSV
N659U 1/26/2014 OSV
N658U 2/6/2014 OSV
N641U 2/17/2014 OSV
N660U 2/28/2014 OSV
N662U 3/11/2014 OSV
N642U 3/22/2014 OSV

737-700
0726 1/19/2014 AMA
0718 1/27/2014 AMA
0716 2/4/2014 AMA
0713 2/12/2014 AMA
0723 2/13/2014 AMA
0719 10/8/2014 AMA
0728 10/9/2014 AMA
0708 10/24/2014 AMA
0721 2/5/2015 AMA
0724 2/15/2015 AMA
0730 2/23/2015 AMA

737-800
0219 2/28/2014 VCV
0222 3/8/2014 VCV
0223 3/16/2014 VCV
0279 9/9/2014 AMA
0281 9/17/2014 AMA
0283 9/25/2014 AMA
0282 10/3/2014 AMA
0284 10/11/2014 AMA
0250 10/19/2014 AMA
0286 10/27/2014 AMA
0210 1/13/2015 AMA
0278 1/21/2015 AMA
0217 1/29/2015 AMA
0221 2/7/2015 AMA
0280 2/15/2015 AMA
0214 2/23/2015 AMA
0213 3/3/2015 AMA
0218 3/11/2015 AMA
0233 3/19/2015 AMA
0229 3/27/2015 AMA
0225 4/4/2015 AMA

737-900
0428 1/18/2014 AMA
0432 1/26/2014 AMA
0433 2/3/2014 AMA
0430 2/11/2014 AMA
0431 2/19/2014 AMA
0435 2/27/2014 AMA
0437 3/7/2014 AMA
0438 3/15/2014 AMA
0439 3/23/2014 AMA
0416 3/24/2014 VCV
0440 3/31/2014 AMA
0423 4/1/2014 VCV
0441 4/8/2014 AMA
0424 4/16/2014 AMA
0425 4/24/2014 AMA
0426 5/2/2014 AMA
0427 5/10/2014 AMA
0429 5/18/2014 AMA
0420 5/27/2014 AMA
0442 9/10/2014 AMA
0434 9/18/2014 AMA
0436 9/26/2014 AMA *** Retro Continental Airlines *** Continental or United ?

757-200
0112 1/17/2014 AMA
0120 1/28/2014 AMA
0102 2/7/2014 AMA
0114 5/14/2014 AMA
0113 5/24/2014 AMA
0111 6/4/2014 AMA
0118 11/14/2014 AMA
0119 11/24/2014 AMA

757-300
0857 2/25/2014 AMA
0858 3/7/2014 AMA
0851 3/17/2014 AMA
0870 9/15/2014 AMA
0871 9/25/2014 AMA
0865 10/5/2014 AMA
0856 10/15/2014 AMA
0862 1/13/2015 AMA
0860 1/23/2015 AMA
0866 2/2/2015 AMA
0859 2/12/2015 AMA
0855 2/22/2015 AMA

777-200
0007 12/1/2014 HKG 8C
0011 12/31/2014 HKG 8C
0009 3/3/2015 HKG 8C

777-222
N773U 12/7/2014 OSV
N780U 12/20/2014 OSV
N781U 1/4/2015 OSV
N778U 1/17/2015 VCV
N779U 2/25/2015 VCV
N771U 3/10/2015 VCV
N774U 4/5/2015 VCV
N222U 2/6/2014 PEK
N223U 3/19/2014 PEK
N224U 6/11/2014 PEK
N224U 7/14/2014 OAS
N217U 7/23/2014 PEK
N219U 7/27/2014 OAS
N209U 8/9/2014 OAS
N217U 8/22/2014 OAS
N226U 9/4/2014 OAS
N797U 9/13/2014 AMA
N221U 9/17/2014 OAS
N792U 9/26/2014 AMA
N220U 9/30/2014 OAS
N216U 10/10/2014 AMA
N788U 10/13/2014 OAS
N225U 10/22/2014 AMA
N786U 11/4/2014 AMA
N796U 11/18/2014 AMA
N798U 12/2/2014 AMA
N204U 12/14/2014 AMA
N799U 12/27/2014 AMA

BRINGING FORWARD - LAST UPDATE

Updated 11/17/13

>>>>PAINT United - Mainline COMPLETED = 38, REMAINING = 20
B744 (16/23) 104-105 [2], 107, 116-120 [5], 127-128 [2], 175, 177, 180, 182, 197, 199.
B763 (22/35) 643-644 [2], 647, 652-653 [2], 656-657 [2], 663-677 [15].

>>>>PAINT United - Mainline COMPLETED = 622
A319 (55/55) - A320 (97/97)[475 UA Retro]
B73G (36/36) - B738 (130/130) - B739 (86/86 [sCO 78, sUA 8] [3436 CO Retro]
B752 (116/116)[sCO 41, sUA 75] - B753 (sCO 21/21)
B764 (16/16)
B772 (74/74)[sUA 52, sCO 22]
B787 (8/8)[entering fleet].
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>>>>PAINT United Express - Express COMPLETED = 310,Express REMAINING = 138
ERJ-135LR ExpressJet (8/9) 15514/17524-N12530 [7]
ERJ-145 Chautauqua (3/12) 266SK, 267SK, 288SK.
ERJ-145 Trans States (11/26) 802HK, 809HK-811HK [3], 829HK, 832HK, 834HK-836HK [3], 854HK-855HK [2].
ERJ-145 ExpressJet [ex CO/UA] (135/136) 11535-12540 [6], 14543, 11548-14558 [11], 14562, 12564-12567 [4], 16571-15572 [2], 10575; 12900-29906 [7], 13908, 15910-16919 [10], 12921-12922 [2], 14925-14930 /15932-13975 [50], 14977-13981/15983-13988 [11], 14991-14993 [3], 11994-14998 [5].
ERJ-170 Shuttle America (20/38) 631RW-639RW [9], 641RW-642RW [2],645RW, 649RW-650RW, 653RW, 656RW, 856RW-858RW [3], 864RW.
CRJ-700 Mesa (7/20) 505MJ-506MJ [2], 508MJ, 510MJ, 512MJ-513MJ [2], 515MJ.
CRJ-700 SkyWest (43/70) 701SK-703SK [2], 705SK-710SK [6], 712SK-713SK [2], 715SK-716SK [2], 718SK-719SK [2], 724SK, 726SK-728SK [3], 730SK, 732SK, 738SK, 742SK-745SK [4], 748SK, 750SK-752SK [3], 754SK, 763SK, 765SK-768SK [4], 770SK-771SK [2], 774SK, 776SK, 778SK, 782SK, 791SK.
CRJ-200 ASA, now Expressjet (8/14) 820AS, 827AS-830AS [4], 832AS, 835AS, 877AS.
CRJ-200 SkyWest (54/74) 471CA, 507CA, 903SW, 905SW, 910SW, 912SW-913SW [2], 915SW-920SW [6], 923SW-930SW [8], 932SW, 934SW-939SW [6], 941SW, 943SW, 945SW-946SW [2], 948SW, 952SW, 954SW, 956SW-965SW [10], 967SW, 969SW-971SW [3], 976SW, 979SW-980SW [2], 983CA, 986CA , .
Dash 8-Q400 Republic (16/16) 188WQ, 203WQ, 208WQ-209WQ, 323NG, 332NG-334NG, 336NG, 338NG-339NG, 342NG, 345NG-346NG, 34NG, 356NG, 380NG. (Checked 10/26/13 - found these operational units)
B1900D Silver Gulfstream (8/11) 81535-81536 [2], 47542, 81546-69547 [2], 87551, 81556 -87557 [2]. (Find only 1 operational.)
EMB-120 SkyWest (2/25) 295SW, 563SW - [14 in UA blue paint, 11 in gray paint and 17 extra in SkyWest House Paint].
>>>>PAINT United Express - Express COMPLETED = 180
CRJ-700 GoJet (25/25) COMPLETED.
ERJ-145XR ExpressJet (104/104) COMPLETED.
Dash 8-Q400 ex Colgan (28/28) COMPLETED - total to be confirmed.
Q200 CommutAir (16/16) COMPLETED.
Q300 CommutAir (5/5) COMPLETED.
ATR 42-320 (2/2) COMPLETED.
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PAINT TOTALS: Mainline 661/681=97.1%, Express 495/631=78.4%, Combined 1156/1312=88.1%
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INTERIOR MODIFICATIONS

Airbus new interior bins -verified- (A319 N8xxUA) (A320 N4xxUA)
A319: (19/55) 02-04,21-23,26,29,33,35-36,38-40,48-49,51-53.
A320 (55/97) 05-08,10-11,13,15-17,20-24,28-30,32-35,37,41,43-44,46,48-49,52-56,58,60,62,64-68,72-75,80,85,87,89-91,93-95,97-98.

Airbus new Recaro 3520 Slimline Y seats (A319 8F/42E+/78Y N8xxUA) (A320 12F/42E+/96Y N4xxUA)
A319: (3/55) 23,38,40 (seat map shows new config, but seat numbers don't match United.com)
A320: (21/97) 08,11,13,15-17,23-24,28-29,33-34,44,46,52,55,60,64,68,74-75

New ps Configuration:
752 (15/15=100%)-Completed: 502,510,512,518,546,568,588-590,595-598 In Mod: 505/MIA,587/MCN

Interior Refresh on sUA 752 aircraft:
Completed:520,536,540-541,545,547,549,551,585 In mod: Next Sked: 556,564,559

New First & Business Seats for former United International Widebodies
B772*(43/43=100%): ER:204,206,209,216-229[14],782-788[7],791-799 [9], NonER:769,771,773-778[6],780-781
B772 768,772,779 [3 Old Intl to be converted to Hawaiian - see below]
B744 (23/23=100%) - Complete
B763 (21/21=100%) - Complete - B763 (14/14=100%) [2 Cabin] - Complete
TOTAL INTL(100/104=96.15%)[exlcudes 6 HI/Dom aircraft] When completed will be 101 Intl Aircraft
*IPTE: AVOD/Power, 3-3-3 Y configuration, Forward/Rear facing BusinessFirst Seats, Global First

New BusinessFirst Lie Flat Seats for former CO International fleet
B752 (41/41=100%) - B764 (16/16=100%) - B772 (22/22=100%) - 788 (6/6=100%)- TOTAL (85/85=100%)

Economy Plus conversion [*Not Counting Four 73G and Eight 738 Micronesia aircraft]
COMPLETED - 788; 772; 764; 753; 752; 73G*.
NOT COMPLETED:
739 - 4 Ships: 0452-0455. other 80 Completed [95.2%]
738*- 31 Ships: 0260-0277; 0519-0531; other 91 Completed [74.6%]

New Hawaii Configuration for Select 772A aircraft - 32Business*/312Y (*7 across recliners)
B722A (3/9=33.3%) Completed: N213UA, Mod: SFO N211UA, HKG N779UA
Remaining: N210/212/214/215/768/772UA

DirecTV (Former CO aircraft) [*Not Counting Four 73G and Eight 738 Micronesia aircraft]
73G*- 32/32 [100%]
738*- 104/122 [85.2%] - Not Completed 3260-3277, awaiting installation with mid-lav removal
739 - 64/78 [82.1%] - Not Completed 3465-3478, (sUA 3801 & beyond not incld, Streaming WiFi soon)
753 - 9/9 [100%] - Excluding 12 Hawaiian configured aircraft with overhead TV (3860-3871)

WiFi Installation (excluding ps fleet)
A319 - (47/55): 801-819,821-841,844-845,847-849,852,855
A320 - (49/97): 403-405,408-411-413,415-421,423-424,428-435,437,443-444,446,452,454-455,457-464,468,474-475,481-482,485,487-488
739 - (1/80): 417
744 - (14/23): 104-105,107,116-117,119,121-122,127,175,179,181,182,199
772 - (1/74): 773

753 ETOPS: CO Build: 6/9: complete 3854-3859[5],3859 in MCO mod,[if ETOPS at MCN, add 3851 & 3853] (12 TZ build are ETOPS)

I have been waiting for the new thread to provide a list of the aircraft I believe are waiting for paint.
Please correct tail numbers or indicate if they will not be painted.
This is a "countdown list".

744:
6 = N122UA, N171UA, N174UA, 178UA, N179UA, N181UA.

763:
AMA = 5 - N646UA, N649UA, N651UA, N654UA, N655UA.
OSV = 7 - N641UA-N642UA [2], N658UA-N662UA [5].

UNITED EXPRESS - total = 111.
Shuttle America 170 [all blue/white] = 16
N640RW
N643RW
N644RW
N646RW
N647RW
N648RW
N651RW
N654RW
N655RW
N657RW
N855RW
N859RW
N861RW
N862RW
N863RW
N865RW.

CRJ-700 - SkyWest [all blue/white] = 24
N746SK
N753SK
N755SK
N756SK
N758SK
N760SK
N762SK
N764SK
N772SK
N773SK
N779SK
N783SK
N784SK
N785SK
N786SK
N787SK
N788SK
N789SK
N790SK
N792SK
N793SK
N795SK
N796SK
N797SK

CRJ-700 - Mesa = 13 [most blue/white]
N501MJ
N502MJ
N503MJ
N504MJ
N507MJ - gray
N509MJ - gray
N511MJ - gray
N514MJ - gray
N516LR
N518LR
N519LR
N521LR
N522LR.

CRJ-200 - SkyWest = 11 [blue and white] - there maybe incorrect tail numbers here as the fleet varies.
N908SW
N909SW
N975SW
N978SW
N983SW
N986SW
N472CA
N479CA
N984CA
N593ML
N701BR.

CRJ-200 - ExpressJet = 6 [blue and white]
N825AS
N826AS
N833AS
N834AS
N836AS
N909EV.

ERJ145-LR - ExpressJet = 1
N26545 - Continental titles [the Lone Long Ranger] ???

ERJ145-LR - Chautauqua = 5 [blue and white], plus 4 in house colors.
N275SK
N277SK
N284SK
N285SK
N289SK
House colors = N279SK, N286SK, N287SK, N291SK.

ERJ-145 Trans States = 13 [blue and white]
N806HK
N807HK
N812HK
N833HK
N838HK
N839HK
N841HK
N842HK
N843HK
N844HK
N845HK
N846HK
N857HK - all white.

ERJ135-LR - ExpressJet = 1
N29515 - Continental titles.

Dash8-400 - Republic = 1
N510LX - white.

Embraer 120 - SkyWest = 20.......... [N2xx in gray]; N5xx in blue and white]...............plus 17 in house colors.
N221SW
N223SW
N233SW
N234SW
N284YV
N290SW
N292SW
N562SW
N566SW
N567SW
N568SW
N569SW
N578SW
N579SW
N580SW
N582SW
N583SW
N584SW
N585SW
N586SW

NOT TO BE REPAINTED:
Beech 1900D - Silver = 3 {Continental Titles]
N81533
N38537
N87554

This is how my data looks - I'm sure others can correct and update.

Quoting qfatwa (Reply 3): 6 = N122UA, N171UA, N174UA, 178UA, N179UA, N181UA.

N121UA, the Star Alliance plane is still carrying old titles and logo as much as recent photos show. Will it be repainted in standard Continental-style livery soon?

Quoting na (Reply 4): N121UA, the Star Alliance plane is still carrying old titles and logo as much as recent photos show. Will it be repainted in standard Continental-style livery soon?

From Part 17, here you go,...

Quoting CALTECH,reply=Part 17: 747 repaints have started this month and will continue through the beginning of 2015. N179UA -12/13 N181UA - 1/14 N171UA - 1/14 N174UA - 2/14 N178UA - 2/14 N121UA - 2/14 N122UA - 3/14 N199UA - 1/15 N105UA - 1/15

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 5):

Thanks, but N199UA and N105UA are already in new paint so I dont know why they are in that list.
Its also doesnt answer if 121 will remain in Star livery and only receive new titles when being repainted this winter.
That N171UA will be repainted shows me that UAs oldest 744 will still be flying a few years from now. Its 24 1/2 years old in a few weeks.

Quoting na (Reply 6): Thanks, but N199UA and N105UA are already in new paint so I dont know why they are in that list.

Because they are scheduled for 12 day 'paint only' visits in VCV. That's why they are on the list.

Quoting na (Reply 6): Its also doesnt answer if 121 will remain in Star livery and only receive new titles when being repainted this winter.

Unless they replace that 747 with another, it will retain the Star Alliance Livery.

Quoting na (Reply 6): That N171UA will be repainted shows me that UAs oldest 744 will still be flying a few years from now.

Not really; see the recent database additions of new colors, winglet-equipped 757-222's getting scrapped in Florida.
Seems to me like they could have at least kept the winglets???

Quoting qfatwa (Reply 2): New ps Configuration: 752 (15/15=100%)-Completed: 502,510,512,518,546,568,588-590,595-598 In Mod: 505/MIA,587/MCN

What happened to N555UA or did i misread above. Flew here on JFK-LAX in September and she was in the old configuration and my seat was falling apart!

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 9): Beech 1900 - Silver - Removed N81538 and N69549 from database, sold??

Yes, sold per airways mag.

Quoting qfatwa (Reply 2): Dash 8-Q400 Republic (16/16) 188WQ, 203WQ, 208WQ-209WQ, 323NG, 332NG-334NG, 336NG, 338NG-339NG, 342NG, 345NG-346NG, 34NG, 356NG, 380NG. (Checked 10/26/13 - found these operational units)

Quoting qfatwa (Reply 2): Dash 8-Q400 ex Colgan (28/28) COMPLETED - total to be confirmed.

Are there some duplicates here? Republic is flying the former Colgan ones, and former Frontier Q400's, but I thought there were only 4 of those. Where did these extra 12 come from? Are they new deliveries?

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 16): 320: N401UA sked to exit LCQ 6851/30Nov with Slimline seats/bins, WiFi not shown on UA.com yet N425UA entered LCQ 6859/30Nov N436UA exited LCQ 6868/29Nov with slimline seat/bins/WiFi

Are they still installing the grey/tan seats or have the converted over to the new blue leather ones?

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 16): N436UA exited LCQ 6868/29Nov with slimline seat/bins/WiFi

I was just on this plane today (it subbed in ORD-YVR). Whoever put the row number indicators screwed up a bit. Row 12ABC was placed on starboard side, and a couple passengers got confused. Apparently another row number sign was reversed further forward, but I didn't get a chance to look.

Quoting hOmsar (Reply 18): I was just on this plane today (it subbed in ORD-YVR). Whoever put the row number indicators screwed up a bit. Row 12ABC was placed on starboard side, and a couple passengers got confused. Apparently another row number sign was reversed further forward, but I didn't get a chance to look.

Seriously? That's embarrassing. How hard is this stuff?
Most of the time, the "stickers" don't get the adhesive backing exposed, anyway, so you can slide it around and move it if you like. When I do, I always pull the back paper off, to expose the adhesive, and make it stay where it belongs.
That also helps to prevent them from walking off the airplane. I'm not sure why so many of my airline's passengers seem to think that a row sticker would make a cool souvenir.... but they do.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 20): 752: Looks like N555UA has flown it's last flight, being the last old p.s. unit (replaced by N505UA). Entered SFO 1748/1Dec

Yup...UA put out a press release today saying that they have completed the roll out of P.S. 2.0.

http://hub.united.com/en-us/news/pro...of-p.s.-premium-service-fleet.aspx

[Edited 2013-12-02 10:50:53]

Quoting qfatwa (Reply 2): Airbus new Recaro 3520 Slimline Y seats (A319 8F/42E+/78Y N8xxUA) (A320 12F/42E+/96Y N4xxUA) A319: (3/55) 23,38,40 (seat map shows new config, but seat numbers don't match United.com) A320: (21/97) 08,11,13,15-17,23-24,28-29,33-34,44,46,52,55,60,64,68,74-75 New ps Configuration: 752 (15/15=100%)-Completed: 502,510,512,518,546,568,588-590,595-598 In Mod: 505/MIA,587/MCN New Hawaii Configuration for Select 772A aircraft - 32Business*/312Y (*7 across recliners) B722A (3/9=33.3%) Completed: N213UA, Mod: SFO N211UA, HKG N779UA Remaining: N210/212/214/215/768/772UA

What are the fleet numbers for the reconfigured A319s, A320s, 757ps and Hawaii 772s? E.g. N502UA is fleet number 5x02

Quoting hOmsar (Reply 18): I was just on this plane today (it subbed in ORD-YVR). Whoever put the row number indicators screwed up a bit. Row 12ABC was placed on starboard side, and a couple passengers got confused. Apparently another row number sign was reversed further forward, but I didn't get a chance to look.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 19): Seriously? That's embarrassing. How hard is this stuff? Most of the time, the "stickers" don't get the adhesive backing exposed, anyway, so you can slide it around and move it if you like. When I do, I always pull the back paper off, to expose the adhesive, and make it stay where it belongs. That also helps to prevent them from walking off the airplane. I'm not sure why so many of my airline's passengers seem to think that a row sticker would make a cool souvenir.... but they do.

Checked history of this, do not see one mention of bad seat row identifiers. If passengers were experiencing confusion, sure it would have been brought to MX's attention. Then again, maybe a sUAL flight attendant decided to handle it on their own, which is seriously doubted by MX around the system. Coming out of Lake City, it is contract work performed by outside vendors. Doubt they messed up, but it could happen. Just do not see any mention of it.

OO Paint Update:

EMB-120:
N229SW in ROW 11/02 out 11/13
N235SW in ROW 11/12 out 11/22
N294SW in ROW 10/23 out 11/02

CRJ-200:
N679SA in ROW 10/23 out 11/05
N908SW in ROW 11/21
N973SW in ROW 11/11 out 11/21
N982SW in ROW 11/05 out 11/21

CRJ-700:
N740SK in ROW 10/24 out 11/05
N780SK in ROW 11/05 out 11/18
N794SK in ROW 11/18 out 11/29

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 23): Checked history of this, do not see one mention of bad seat row identifiers. If passengers were experiencing confusion, sure it would have been brought to MX's attention. Then again, maybe a sUAL flight attendant decided to handle it on their own, which is seriously doubted by MX around the system.

Not sure why there's any doubt. I saw the row marker with my own eyes. I'm not even sure if any FAs knew about it. The confusion was quickly corrected by other passengers who already knew the drill and pointed the couple of passengers to the correct seats. I was going to mention it to a flight attendant but I forgot.

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 23): Coming out of Lake City, it is contract work performed by outside vendors. Doubt they messed up, but it could happen. Just do not see any mention of it.

I've seen plenty of examples over the years of people making mistakes, on things of greater importance than this. Again, not sure why there's doubt that someone grabbed the wrong piece when putting up row numbers.

I recall reading somewhere (maybe even on a.net) where Delta once put the wrong registration on a plane fresh out of the paint shop. It's probably easy enough to fix.

What's harder to fix is the fact that those new seat cushions are hard as a rock, and really terrible to sit on for a four-hour flight.

Quoting hOmsar (Reply 25): Not sure why there's any doubt. I saw the row marker with my own eyes. I'm not even sure if any FAs knew about it. The confusion was quickly corrected by other passengers who already knew the drill and pointed the couple of passengers to the correct seats. I was going to mention it to a flight attendant but I forgot.

In the version of events as posted, the mechanic had to screw up, inspection rhen missed the screw up, the interior police missed it, the flight attendants missed it and didn't bother with it, and if there was a screw up, it wasn't documented as required. Serious doubting about this version of events. And nowhere is this problem documented by Flight Attendants for Acft #4036 in the past few days. Will keep checking to see if it is true and comes to someone's attention and gets written up. Just doubt it.

All that confusion, and, as it was posted, another row further forward also messed up, and one has to also accept that not one passenger, especially those involved with their seat assignments, not one brought it to a Flight Attendant's attention that hey, "the seat markers are messed up."   

Quoting hOmsar (Reply 25): I've seen plenty of examples over the years of people making mistakes, on things of greater importance than this. Again, not sure why there's doubt that someone grabbed the wrong piece when putting up row numbers. I recall reading somewhere (maybe even on a.net) where Delta once put the wrong registration on a plane fresh out of the paint shop. It's probably easy enough to fix. What's harder to fix is the fact that those new seat cushions are hard as a rock, and really terrible to sit on for a four-hour flight.

Recall reading somewhere how passengers make up stories to support their tall tales of woe, probably even on a.net. Though I completely sympathize with the passenger in the Epic seat 29E. Will check the new Airbus seat cushions too. Doubt they are hard as a rock, that statement is false.

[Edited 2013-12-02 22:35:12]

The new Airbus seats are perfectly comfortable - like all the Recaro seats before them. I've ridden in them on several occasions.

Now the color I can do without - why they're beige I will never get.

NS

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 26): Recall reading somewhere how passengers make up stories to support their tall tales of woe, probably even on a.net. Though I completely sympathize with the passenger in the Epic seat 29E. Will check the new Airbus seat cushions too. Doubt they are hard as a rock, that statement is false.

I flew on the plane, sat in the seats, and saw the row markers with my own eyes. If you think you have a better view of things from your computer screen than I did inside, then I guess there's nothing I can do to convince you.

But I will say that in today's world, I can easily see how something like that can be missed. For one, most passengers (especially those in economy plus, where the screw up was noted) probably already know where their seat is, and just look at the row number but never glance at the letters ABC/DEF on the plate. In fact, until the passenger sitting in the row in front of me almost sat on the wrong side, and someone else pointed out he was in the wrong seat, I didn't even look at the letters next to the row markers.

Second, how often does a flight attendant actually look at the ABC/DEF on the row markers? They see a million of them every day, they already know where ABC/DEF is. Most probably just look at the row number if they are looking for a specific seat, and the rest just goes by memory.

Third, "past few days" ignores the fact that the plane went into service for the first time on Sunday. The flight I was on was its first revenue flight out of the shop (using ua.com's "Where is my plane coming from" option on flight status for UA287 on 1DEC says its previous flight was from LCQ a couple days earlier). So there aren't a few days' worth of flights for the FAs to even have noticed.

As I said, I've seen larger mistakes get made by folks who should know better (Amtrak once painted a locomotive with their name spelled "ATMRAK" and yes, that somehow made it past the painters and follow-up inspection and out into service). I have a few other, non-aviation, transportation-related screw-ups that I've seen make it past those that should know better (in some cases, quite obvious ones). Sometimes they go weeks (or longer) before someone catches it.

But whatever. I sent a note to UA through their web contact form. They say it takes 10-14 business days just for them to read the e-mail. By then, I'm sure 355 flight attendants will have already noted it in the log.

Do the new slimline seats in the A320 allow them to add more seats or legroom or both?

Yesterday United posted on flying together (employee website) the inflight entertainment strategy going forward and it raised a few questions for me as I was reading the fine print. Here is a copy and paste of the fine print.

"1 Personal on-demand entertainment is available in premium cabins on 747; Economy on the 747 has overhead
entertainment. Wireless entertainment will be available as an additional choice.
2 757-200 domestic will have overhead entertainment through 2015 pending fleet exit. p.s. 757s are the only domestic
fleet with personal on-demand entertainment.
3 Personal on-demand entertainment is available in premium cabins on 767 3-cabin. Economy has personal TVs with
looping channels. Wireless entertainment will be available as an additional choice. All 2-cabin 767s offer personal
on-demand entertainment in all cabins."
Sorry I Can't provide a link to the website as it only works for UA employees but the above content is directly from flying together.

My question really pertains to the 3 cabin 767's. It has been posted on a.netters that the 3-cabin 767 retirement schedule has been moved forward and will start in 2014 now instead of 2016. So my question is why is UA installing WIFI on the 3-cabin 767's when these aircraft wont' be in the fleet for much longer. As you can clearly see UA has stated that all of the domestic 757-200 will continue to have overhead entertainment only pending fleet exit in 2015 a smart move with the 3-cablin 767's exiting the fleet as well and with that schedule being moved forward why waste the money installing WIFI on these aircraft? The s-UA 757 retirements seem to be moving along at an accelerated pace as more 739ER are delivered. Will UA also accelerate the pace at which the 3-cabin 767's are retired or will the retirement of those aircraft be drawn out over time and this is the reason why UA is planing on installing WIFI on these aircraft?

Quoting jayunited (Reply 31): My question really pertains to the 3 cabin 767's. It has been posted on a.netters that the 3-cabin 767 retirement schedule has been moved forward and will start in 2014 now instead of 2016. So my question is why is UA installing WIFI on the 3-cabin 767's when these aircraft wont' be in the fleet for much longer.

The first 763ER will leave late next year and the last 3-cabin 763 won't leave the fleet until 2018 so it's probably worth it to outfit them with WiFi simply to provide a consistent product. I'ts a relatively cheap modification to do....

Quoting United1 (Reply 32): The first 763ER will leave late next year and the last 3-cabin 763 won't leave the fleet until 2018 so it's probably worth it to outfit them with WiFi simply to provide a consistent product. I'ts a relatively cheap modification to do....

Oh so we are looking at a 4 year retirement schedule for the 3-cabin 763's. Now I understand why they are installing WiFi on these aircraft while at the same time leaving the domestic 757-200's as is.

Thank you.

Quoting United1 (Reply 21): What are the fleet numbers for the reconfigured A319s, A320s, 757ps and Hawaii 772s

That policy is no longer being followed, fleet numbers remain as before reconfigs.

Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 34): That policy is no longer being followed, fleet numbers remain as before reconfigs.

Doesn't that mean that the aircraft will have random numbers if they keep their old numbers from when they had different configurations? I can understand why they want to avoid renumbering all the time, but why not got all the PW 777s numbered say 20xx and have done.

Quoting hOmsar (Reply 28): I flew on the plane, sat in the seats, and saw the row markers with my own eyes. If you think you have a better view of things from your computer screen than I did inside, then I guess there's nothing I can do to convince you.

Still see no write up for bad seat row identifiers, for Acft #4636. And a Core Cabin Appearance Inspection was performed at Lake City and these seat row identifiers are checked during the process. As MCOMX was reconfiguring sCO aircraft for E+, the seat row identifiers were checked by a Tech, a Inspector and a Flight Attendant 'Interior Police' individual.

Quoting hOmsar (Reply 28): But I will say that in today's world, I can easily see how something like that can be missed. For one, most passengers (especially those in economy plus, where the screw up was noted) probably already know where their seat is

If your statement now is they probably know where their seat is, it is also to be believed that no one brought such a glaring 'someone screwed up a bit' to the flight attendant's attention. I find that part very hard to believe.

Quoting hOmsar (Reply 28): Second, how often does a flight attendant actually look at the ABC/DEF on the row markers? They see a million of them every day, they already know where ABC/DEF is. Most probably just look at the row number if they are looking for a specific seat, and the rest just goes by memory.

All the time as flight attendants have stated.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 36): A319: N853UA entered LCQ 6860/5Dec A320: N402UA exited LCQ 6857/5Dec with WiFi/slimline seats/Bins

Lake City has 8 Airbus A-319/320 up there.

# 6454 is in AMA on a 12 day hold getting paint, has to be complete strip and paint.

#3238 is in AMA getting Paint Warranty issues worked out.

#2379 in HKG getting Cabin Reconfig

# 8479 is in PEK for a 15 day hold for Paint

When the 737-800s go in for Slimline seat installs, the mid-cabin lav aircraft will have those lavs removed. 2Q14.

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Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 36): Quoting united787 (Reply 30): Do the new slimline seats in the A320 allow them to add more seats or legroom or both? 320: Legroom is reduced by an inch for both E+ and Y, but the seats have at least that much more legroom by design. ExTeds pick up 6 seats with a row in Y. Regular configuration picks up 12 seats, one row of E+ and one row of Y 319: A classes are reduced by one inch of legroom. Pickup of 8 seats (all E+) one added row plus missing window seats at exit now exist.

Looking at the A319/320 seat drawings, it looks like the forward and rear attach points for the seats to fit in the seat tracks are closer together.

The old coach B/E Aerospace seats had -21" between the FWD and AFT attach points.
The new Recaro Slimline seats have -19" between the FWD and AFT attach points.

Because of this, they are able to fit 1 or 2 more rows without supposedly changing or comprimising legroom, depending on the aircraft type..

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 35): Doesn't that mean that the aircraft will have random numbers if they keep their old numbers from when they had different configurations?

Exactly.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 36): 320: Legroom is reduced by an inch for both E+ and Y, but the seats have at least that much more legroom by design.

So pitch is reducing, but legroom is staying the same.

Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 39):

Is there a reason they aren't following sUA's method of ship numbering anymore? Seems like it pretty much makes the ship numbers worthless now.

I too wish they would continue to change the numbers as upgrades/changes are made. It seems CO had less sub-fleets than we did at UA. For example our 757's had 6 different sub-fleets at the time of the merger. ETOPS, Overwater, standard, winglet, PS, and PS with winglets. Therefore with the different numbers it was easy for all employees to know which type of 757-200 we were getting at a gate. IMHO with all the differences with the 737's, the UA type numbering should be used. Now we have: No IFE, DirecTV, E-Plus, non-E-plus, Mid cabin lavs, SFP, and now some with wi-fi. I'm sure there are other differences that I can't think of right now, but there should be different numbers to let everyone know.

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 37): If your statement now is they probably know where their seat is, it is also to be believed that no one brought such a glaring 'someone screwed up a bit' to the flight attendant's attention. I find that part very hard to believe.

Regardless of what you believe, it happened. And that's all I have to say on the matter.

Quoting hOmsar (Reply 43): Regardless of what you believe, it happened. And that's all I have to say on the matter.

Doubting the events as posted happened. The sUAL F/As are very write up happy. And for a issue such as posted with multiple seat rows supposedly messed up, multiple passengers confused and sitting in the wrong seats, just very odd no write up has been recorded in the sUAL Unimatic System. Especially one so visible. Doubting it, a picture on your phone would have been the kicker, have found other folks kinda embellishing things here, sorry.

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 44): And for a issue such as posted with multiple seat rows supposedly messed up, multiple passengers confused and sitting in the wrong seats, just very odd no write up has been recorded in the sUAL Unimatic System. Especially one so visible. Doubting it, a picture on your phone would have been the kicker, have found other folks kinda embellishing things here, sorry.

Actually, you're the one embellishing the story. If you reread what I wrote, I said 12ABC was placed on the starboard side, and a couple (as in two) passengers were confused (one was the guy sitting in the wrong seat, and the other was the guy who showed up expecting his seat to be empty). That was corrected without any flight attendant interaction. I did say that *apparently* another row was messed up, which I based on what the passenger who sat in the wrong seat said (paraphrasing, he basically said that ABC and DEF were switched at the "front" of the plane, but he could have just been referring to row 12; he was seated in row 20E, immediately behind row 12, and either used the row 12 markers to guide him to the left/right side of the plane, or perhaps there was another one flipped around further forward, as I said, I didn't get a chance to check, and since I was more concerned with making it through customs and making a connection, I forgot to look or mention it to a flight attendant on landing). Once the passenger made the comment about the row markers being switched, a couple of us sitting in 20 and 21 looked up and saw the row marker at 12 showing ABC on the right side, and basically said "oh, look at that, it's backwards". Point being, most of us never even bothered to look until one passenger specifically pointed it out while discussing with another passenger about who was sitting in the correct seat. The guy sitting next to me saw it and commented as well, but he was more upset about the lack of any sort of IFE to really be bothered with pointing out to the FAs that the row markers two rows in front were incorrect.

But nonetheless, I was very careful not to imply that there were lots of rows and lots of passengers confused by the error. I only noted one row (and never claimed otherwise), and two passengers. And I could easily see how dozens of passengers on subsequent flights (mostly frequent flyers with free upgrades to E+) would never even look closely at the row markers other than the number (which is in considerably larger font than the ABC). I guess it's just random luck that the one guy that did look happened to do so on the plane's first flight out of rehab.

Any news on N37277?

I see it is operating UA1655 from LAX to SFO on 12/10

Quoting homsar (Reply 45): Actually, you're the one embellishing the story. If you reread what I wrote, I said 12ABC was placed on the starboard side, and a couple (as in two) passengers were confused (one was the guy sitting in the wrong seat, and the other was the guy who showed up expecting his seat to be empty). That was corrected without any flight attendant interaction. I did say that *apparently* another row was messed up, which I based on what the passenger who sat in the wrong seat said (paraphrasing, he basically said that ABC and DEF were switched at the "front" of the plane, but he could have just been referring to row 12; he was seated in row 20E, immediately behind row 12, and either used the row 12 markers to guide him to the left/right side of the plane, or perhaps there was another one flipped around further forward, as I said, I didn't get a chance to check, and since I was more concerned with making it through customs and making a connection, I forgot to look or mention it to a flight attendant on landing). Once the passenger made the comment about the row markers being switched, a couple of us sitting in 20 and 21 looked up and saw the row marker at 12 showing ABC on the right side, and basically said "oh, look at that, it's backwards". Point being, most of us never even bothered to look until one passenger specifically pointed it out while discussing with another passenger about who was sitting in the correct seat. The guy sitting next to me saw it and commented as well, but he was more upset about the lack of any sort of IFE to really be bothered with pointing out to the FAs that the row markers two rows in front were incorrect.

Quoting hOmsar (Reply 18): Row 12ABC was placed on starboard side, and a couple passengers got confused. Apparently another row number sign was reversed further forward, but I didn't get a chance to look.

Claiming someone other than the original poster is embellishing the story? Keep explaining the events, maybe a novel will come out of it. Doubt the version of events happened at all now. No proof, no evidence, no cell phone photo, just a story that is defensive and gets longer and longer with each reiteration.

Quoting UA767400 (Reply 46): Any news on N37277? I see it is operating UA1655 from LAX to SFO on 12/10

Looks like # 277 received it's STC for the new Winglets. Did some test hops for other items. Sitting in SFO and on the 10th will operate UA1655 as First Flight.

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 47): No proof, no evidence, no cell phone photo, just a story that is defensive and gets longer and longer with each reiteration.

It "gets longer" because I didn't think I'd have to do a full, detailed version of the events, including signed witness statements, a cell phone photo (seriously, why would I take a photo of a row number plate to post on a.net?). I wouldn't have even mentioned it at all, except that when I checked the thread, I noted that the plane had just been released from the shop, recognized the aircraft number, and it sparked my memory of the row number. Again, I already sent a note to ua.com, but since it takes quite some time for them to even get to customer comments (and it's not worth an hour of my time to wait on hold), they probably haven't even gotten to the note yet.

Nothing I've written has been inconsistent.