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Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:23 pm

I thought these things could take more of a beating than that. Wow.

http://www.nycaviation.com/2013/11/p...irport-rescue-truck-takes-licking/ (NYCAviation.com)

Anyone know of other trucks receiving damage like that?
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:49 pm

Like any vehicle they can take only so much, I suspect what happened was more than what it reads like, I suspect the report is possibly also being somewhat over dramatic with the cost of the repair bill
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:55 pm

Quoting mwhcvt (Reply 1):

Yep, that figure might be the showroom price. 
I would imagine two new axles and some air in the tyres and they are off.
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting bigphilnyc (Thread starter):
I thought these things could take more of a beating than that. Wow.

They are very heavy. I something similar at Clark in 1975 - the driver 'accidentally' drove over a drainage ditch with a 18 inch drop - broke the front axle.

While they are intended to handle rough terrain, it is at low speed. They are very heavy, especially with 7 or 8 tons of water and chemicals onboard. A solid drop or sideways torque could easily snap an axle.

I don't think the damage will cost anywhere near $750,000 to repair. Likely less than $20,000. Though someone might lose their job.
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:19 pm

The $750,000 number is the overall cost of the truck. It might be an insurance write-off if there is more damage to the structure than visible in the distant photos.
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:32 pm

what is it with you American's, first you break an armed Cadillac, now this??      jokes! love America
 
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:45 pm

It looks like an Oshkosh Stryker T-1500. A smaller ARFF truck, but this one looks like an older model.

Quoting bigphilnyc (Reply 4):
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I agree, the price of the truck is around $750K. Most airports are self insured, so there may not be an insurance company involved here. Being an older model (about 10 years old) they may just strip parts from it and scrap the rest of the truck.

Loosing one ARFF truck for a big airport will not lower its ARFF Index with the FAA. I am not sure about JFK, but at DFW we could go down 4 ARFF trucks (as long as only two of them were our Stryker T-4500 models) before we had to issue a NOTAM and tell the FAA we have a lowered ARFF Index.
 
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:26 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 3):
Likely less than $20,000

This won't be a cheap fix. Axles, transfer cases, maybe transmission damage. The body might have been tweaked which would open another can of worms. Also a very expensive tow job, especially if it has to go down the highway in uber expensive NY.
 
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:05 am

"The incident caused a Port Authority police officer to receive a non-life threatening ankle injury"

I'm pretty sure 100% of all ankle inurys are non-life threatening.
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:40 am

Quoting lweber557 (Reply 8):

What about someone with a severed ankle and hemophilia?

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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:53 am

Quoting lweber557 (Reply 8):

Need we mention Achilles and his heel...?
 
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:12 am

I suspect there will be an investigation to figure out why the truck ended up off the runway. From a broken part in the suspension, brakes or in the controls preventing the operator from keeping the rig on the tarmac, operator error like taking a turn too wide or driving it too fast or distracted all could be factors. I suspect this broken truck meant the runway/taxiway area it broke on had to be shut down, which could bring more hassles to a busy airport.
 
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:49 pm

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 9):
What about someone with a severed ankle and hemophilia?

Well, yeah, if you really want to dig. But if you chose to be a hemophiliac police officer, aren't you asking for trouble?
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:31 pm

Quoting lweber557 (Reply 8):

"The incident caused a Port Authority police officer to receive a non-life threatening ankle injury"

I'm pretty sure 100% of all ankle inurys are non-life threatening.

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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:13 pm

It looks like this is an Oshkosh built truck which has axles built for combat use. These are the same axles on the HEMTT and MRAP. If they broke those axles like that, they were doing something they probably should not have been doing....
 
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:21 pm

Chances are very good that the truck can be repaired. Passenger cars often have to be junked after suffering even minor damage because they have unibody construction, which is largely non-repairable, but trucks are built on frames and are much easier to fix.
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:49 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 3):
I don't think the damage will cost anywhere near $750,000 to repair. Likely less than $20,000. Though someone might lose their job.

A single axle alone might be $20K. While I doubt its a writeoff from a pure money standpoint, I'm not sure that its time effective given the pretty extensive damage thats visible.

I think it will largely come down to how old it is. If its pretty new they might risk the resources to fix it. If its less than 1/2 life left, I can't see them wasting the space, trained personnel, and money... Double so since it would be a nice source for some seriously expensive parts.

Quoting PROSA (Reply 15):
Passenger cars often have to be junked after suffering even minor damage because they have unibody construction, which is largely non-repairable, but trucks are built on frames and are much easier to fix.

Completely not true. For several reasons, most "framed" vehicles smaller than semi's use unibody cabs of pretty astounding strength. More to the point, the bodies of vehicles like this rescue truck are strong, complex, and expensive. I'm not sure it even HAS a separate frame.

More to the point, damage to unibodies being "non-repairable" is due to cost, not ability. Its certainly safe enough to repair even the largest hits given that the body was assembled from smaller stamped sheetmetal components at one time. The issue is it costs a fortune to properly repair. Framed vehicles are even worse now due to rarely limiting the damage to the body OR the frame.
 
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:41 pm

Looks like the Dollar Store fire truck my son had that he jumped on, the wheels did the exact same thing.

Do these trucks have full protection on the bottom or only skid plates on the vital parts? I'm wondering not so much about the grounding, but of broken parts like axles punching up into the body when the weight came down.
 
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:55 pm

Quoting trigged (Reply 14):
It looks like this is an Oshkosh built truck which has axles built for combat use. These are the same axles on the HEMTT and MRAP. If they broke those axles like that, they were doing something they probably should not have been doing....

Those axles would snap too if they were hauling around 8 tons of dead, wet weight.
 
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:25 pm

Quoting lweber557 (Reply 8):
I'm pretty sure 100% of all ankle inurys are non-life threatening.

Tell that to my co-worker who broke her ankle, then a few weeks later had to be rushed to the hospital because a blood clot formed in her ankle, let loose and went into her lungs causing her to pass out and be admitted into the hospital while the doctors battled the clot.
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RE: Rescue Truck At JFK Severely Damaged (photos)

Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:22 pm

Quoting tockeyhockey (Reply 13):

Yeah! Every watched Walking Dead? Ankles aren't immune from the walkers!!!

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 16):

While your probably right, it really depends on the depreciated value of the truck.

Surely someone is looking for work after this?

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