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Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:33 am

I just read on aero.de that construction of the Boeing 747 # 1500 has started. It'll be 748i for LH. Guess she will a sticker like the 777 # 1000.

Congratulations to Boeing!

PS.: I know there is a parallel thread abou the 744 but this is about all 747s from 100, 200, 300, 400, 800 (or should I say 8 only?) and last but not least the SP, so I thought a separate thread might be appropriate.
 
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:43 am

How many of each type have been built?
 
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:02 am

Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
PS.: I know there is a parallel thread abou the 744 but this is about all 747s from 100, 200, 300, 400, 800 (or should I say 8 only?) and last but not least the SP, so I thought a separate thread might be appropriate.

There is already a dedicated thread about the production (assembly) and test flights of the 747-8 series on this forum, see : Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #14 (by iowaman Oct 31 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:36 am

Quoting 747classic (Reply 2):

There is already a dedicated thread about the production (assembly) and test flights of the 747-8 series on this forum, see : Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #14 (by iowaman Oct 31 2013 in Civil Aviation)

I know this since I frequently read this thread and I appreciate all your efforts because I know itKs huge work to keep everything updated (tried to do the same for a while for the other VLA...).

But this is not about the 748i, it's about the fact that Boeing was able to sell 1,500 airframes of the 747, mainly pax versions in the beginning, since the -8 came online it's mainly freighters.
 
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:47 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 3):
But this is not about the 748i, it's about the fact that Boeing was able to sell 1,500 airframes of the 747,

Agree!

It must be a definite sign that I'm getting old; I clearly remember the 727 getting at 1832, and at the time could not imagine that any airliner EVER would get to such a massive number of frames built. And here we are, discussing the 1500th 747!

Seeing the low number of reactions here, I'm getting the feeling that not many people realise the sheer volume that the 747 has created over the years; people are now used to big number wide body orders. Anything less than 25 is seen as peanuts today.

The 747 was born, raised, and even getting into the hay days of its production career, in a time when orders for 10 wide bodies was seen as a BIG order, and 15-25 was monumental, game changing, paradigm shift – sort of the 50 A380 or 150 77X orders we are seeing now**.
Getting to 1500 with 5 - 15 orders at a time is really really monumental and I really want to congratulate Boeing on this masterpiece achievement!

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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:07 pm

747 No. 1500 will be D-ABYP for Lufthansa.
LH should name it "Seattle", or better even "Joe Sutter" though that would break a tradition. Interesting enough, since Sutter no plane has ever been identified by the name of its main creator.

Quoting PW100 (Reply 4):
The 747 was born, raised, and even getting into the hay days of its production career, in a time when orders for 10 wide bodies was seen as a BIG order, and 15-25 was monumental, game changing

Right, it was a different time. Think of it, if the aviation business would have been as big in 1970 as it is today, we would now celebrate the 2500th or even 3000th 747!
 
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:21 pm

Just for the heck of it, how many would that be if translated into Cessna 172s based on human carrying capacity?
Let's throw in a figure of 500 divided by 4 times 1500. That's equivalent to 187,500 of the world's top-selling plane. Damn, even adding in that manufacturer's runner-up (model 182) will still not get to half of that numbing number. Simply mindbogglingly! I know the T7 will surpass that but it will be another five years or much more; using the same matrix of capacity division.
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:58 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 1):
How many of each type have been built?

According to wiki:

Model summary[edit]





Model series

Orders Deliveries Unfilled


747-100 167 167

747-100B 9 9

747-100SR 29 29

747-200B 225 225 (includes 2 VC-25A)

747-200C 13 13

747-200F 73 73

747-200M 78 78

747-300 56 56

747-300M 21 21

747-300SR 4 4

747-400 442 442

747-400D 19 19

747-400ER 6 6

747-400ERF 40 40

747-400F 126 126

747-400M 61 61

747-8 45 17 23

747-8F 70 39 28

747-E4A 3 3

747-E4B 1 1

747SP 45 45

747 Total

1530 1474 51

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747#Model_summary
 
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:33 am

I find it hard to believe that there are only six 400ERs.
 
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:45 am

Quoting boeingguy26 (Reply 8):
I find it hard to believe that there are only six 400ERs.

I am not sure if the 747-400ER was the first model with a 397 ton MTOW, but it became an option on the 747-400. So the main advantage of the ER model was the extra range, which required the use of the two belly tanks, reducing the forward hold space by 6 LD3 positions.

In addition to QF, I have heard that UA and CX both issued RFPs for the 747-400ER. CX was said to be interested in it to eliminate the occasional tech stops at TPE, however that was apparently infrequent enough to not justify the investment. I am guessing UA was interested in it for some payload-limited missions, but it's been said that their financial position was such that they could not afford it.
 
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:24 am

Can't wait to see her fly! Congrats Boeing and LH!

Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
Guess she will a sticker like the 777 # 1000.

Personally, I'm hoping for something a bit more than that.

Quoting boeingguy26 (Reply 8):
I find it hard to believe that there are only six 400ERs.

Where are they now?
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:42 am

Quoting boeingguy26 (Reply 8):
I find it hard to believe that there are only six 400ERs.
Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 10):
Where are they now?

All six are in service with QF.
 
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:46 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 10):
I find it hard to believe that there are only six 400ERs.

Where are they now?

QANTAS placed the only ER order.
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:54 am

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 12):
QANTAS placed the only ER order.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
All six are in service with QF.

Thanks 
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:15 am

Glad to see it will be a LH bird. Better than a freighter. Also LH is one airline that has operated nearly every 747 model except for the SP and the -300. (Too bad that Qantas has not ordered the -8I   )
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:48 am

Quoting PW100 (Reply 4):
It must be a definite sign that I'm getting old; I clearly remember the 727 getting at 1832, and at the time could not imagine that any airliner EVER would get to such a massive number of frames built. And here we are, discussing the 1500th 747!

I suppose we're about the same age… I remember having the very same thought, at the time.

Quoting neutrino (Reply 6):
I know the T7 will surpass that but it will be another five years or much more;

So, it took the 747 45 years to reach 1500, it will take the 777, how many? About 25 years? Astonishing. And the 777-300ER could well reach 1000 units sold by itself, I believe. Those are huge numbers.

Congratulations to Boeing, by the way… and to Joe Sutter!
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:49 am

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 15):
So, it took the 747 45 years to reach 1500

45 years production of one aircraft type is an achievement in itself, let alone a total of 1500 frames.

Quoting PW100 (Reply 4):
The 747 was born, raised, and even getting into the hay days of its production career, in a time when orders for 10 wide bodies was seen as a BIG order, and 15-25 was monumental .....

  

We certainly have become de-sensitised to massive aircraft orders.

The 747 was/is much more than just an aircraft - it literally changed the way we live. It heralded the era of cheaper air fares where anyone could travel rather than just the wealthy. We all take overseas vacations or business trips without batting an eyelid nowadays - it was a very different story when the 747 first took to the skies.

Thanks for building it Boeing.  


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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:30 am

Quoting na (Reply 5):

Not every LH bird is named after a German city/town if that is what you are referring to. There is one A343 named Gander Halifax saluting the cities on their 9/11 diversion efforts, which will be remembered for many years. But even "Everett" or "Seattle" or simply "Sutter" would be nice.
 
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:32 am

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 16):

The 747 was/is much more than just an aircraft - it literally changed the way we live. It heralded the era of cheaper air fares where anyone could travel rather than just the wealthy. We all take overseas vacations or business trips without batting an eyelid nowadays - it was a very different story when the 747 first took to the skies.

Well said, she is the Queen of the skies and always will be.
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RE: Assembly Of 747 # 1500 Has Started

Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:00 am

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 16):
45 years production of one aircraft type is an achievement in itself, let alone a total of 1500 frames.

Wholeheartedly agreed.
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