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Turkish Aviation December 2013

Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:48 am

Hello everyone! After an amazing year we're entering the last month of 2013.


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So, let's continue where we left of the previous thread with most
importantly:

- TK vs. LH conflict gaining momentum and looming over TK's operations. What are all the ramifications possible? What can Lufthansa do against
TK and how can TK answer?
- TK's Central American
destinations - feasible or a distant dream?
- What about Oceania, what hinders TK from launching it?
- Istanbul Airport problems: congestion growing, aircraft colliding,
passengers avoiding IST - problems unresolved. What are the
alternatives that are finally being implemented to alleviate the issues?
- Istanbul New Airport - No matter how big it is, it's nowhere in sight.
- Increased competition in the neighborhood - Etihad-sponsored Air Serbia in
the vicinity entering some of the most lucrative TK's markets - TK answered so far by launching 3 dailies to BEG.
- Pegasus Aircraft orders (when will they arrive) and are there new
destinations on the horizon?
- Any long-haul plans for Pegasus or possible entrance into the African
market? - TK in Africa, how are they doing?
- Easing of US-Iran relations - Impact on TK of the opening and
liberalization of air sector in Iran, moderate or tremendous?
- Wingo is there to stay or are there any hopes of it receiving a major
face-lift or possible redesign?



All that and many more good news with your traditional sense of humor!


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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:24 am

Seems that DUB-IST will get an increase in flights for 2014.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:42 am

Thanks 777ER.

Any idea on how the route to KTM is doing?
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:06 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Seems that DUB-IST will get an increase in flights for 2014.

Any idea what type of increase? Frequency or capacity?

Do TK have any plans to put PTV's in their 738's?
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:34 pm

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
- Increased competition in the neighborhood - Etihad-sponsored Air Serbia in
the vicinity entering some of the most lucrative TK's markets - TK answered so far by launching 3 dailies to BEG.

I think, here nobody cares about Air Serbia. Where did this point come? Air Serbia is not even half of Onur Air or 1% of Turkish Aviation.....   

Perhaps TK787 can kindly post a new corrected summary and agenda as usual to continue.

By the way, TK CEO Mr.Kotil remarks that TK passenger numbers surpassed already AF and now second after LH in Europe. Where can we follow this? Unfortunately AEA (www.aea.be) used to publish tabulated statistics of all European Airlines Association Members in the past, but they have stopped this over a year now!

[Edited 2013-12-01 09:38:59]
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:16 pm

TK aircraft in Malaga had a bouncy landing followed by a tail strike and a go around. Somebody caught it in camera;

http://sozcu.com.tr/2013/gunun-icinden/faciadan-donuldu-7-416585/
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:29 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 3):

Frequency and maybe capacity too I heard. Some more space for cargo would be good.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:26 pm

TK should offer more international flights to ESB and ADB to ease off some int to dom transit pax from IST and utilize this to int to int transit pax flow.

Both ESB and ADB has good domestic transfer possibility too.

Also TK can transfer some flights from IST to SAW

Last but not least cargo operations should get out of IST either to Corlu or elsewhere, IST is too important to utilize for cargo now in spite of the recent expansion to add more pax terminal space, that will not be sufficient either.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:48 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 3):
Do TK have any plans to put PTV's in their 738's?

All new 738's (coded 78D) and 739ER (coded 78B) are fitted with AVOD in both classes.
78D: JHK/.../U (10 frames)
79B: JYA/.../J (10 frames)
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:21 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 4):

You seem to have forgotten where was TK while JU was one the leading European and global airlines roughly 20 years ago, when EK barely existed, and see where they're now... Things are not always as they seem, especially in aviation. Besides, that is not just Air Serbia, that is the hand of Etihad which just ordered...199 aircraft, so if that's still 'too little' i suggest you consult an optician.

As for your comparison with AF and LH, i would never dare to compare TK with either of those companies.

Simple question: why is Turkey unable to produce their own jet aircraft, both wide-body and narrow-body?

As long as they'll be reliant on the countries of their competitors to receive the technology required for their business, TK will never be comparable to either of those companies that are part of whole industries and technological complexes within the given countries and that spearheaded the technological advance for many decades. Can you name me a few jet aircraft made in Turkey? Ok, that's what i thought. Same with SU - TK is nowhere a match in tradition and technology. TK is simply trying to mimic what the Gulf airlines are doing relying on a huge domestic and tourist base, with more or less degree of success, all that while being managed by a Western consultancy group, but even so, the gaps are worrisome, from the inconsistency in service to the infrastructure in Istanbul which is abysmal.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:52 am

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 9):

Simple question: why is Turkey unable to produce their own jet aircraft, both wide-body and narrow-body?

For the same reason that Canada isn't building Satellite Launch Vehicles. In a word, efficiency. The expertise is available, but investing in it is not deemed necessary because there are cheaper substitutes available all over the world. Its also the same reason the average person doesn't build his own car. Too much time, too much money and too much effort to build something that's already available in the market at an affordable price.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 9):
As long as they'll be reliant on the countries of their competitors to receive the technology required for their business, TK will never be comparable to either of those companies that are part of whole industries and technological complexes within the given countries and that spearheaded the technological advance for many decades.

That's a new one. So now AF and LH are the brains behind Airbus? Is that why they fly Boeing aircraft? And what's this about Boeing developing aircraft to meet EK specifications? Was that the brainchild of someone at DL or UA? Producing a brilliant product is great and all, but if the market isn't large enough for it, that product won't be affordable. The carriers from countries who don't have long-established aviation industries are the one's who're driving the price of aircraft down (economies of scale and all that), which both AF and LH (and other airlines) are benefitting from. Its a two way relationship.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 9):
Can you name me a few jet aircraft made in Turkey? Ok, that's what i thought. Same with SU - TK is nowhere a match in tradition and technology. TK is simply trying to mimic what the Gulf airlines are doing relying on a huge domestic and tourist base, with more or less degree of success, all that while being managed by a Western consultancy group, but even so, the gaps are worrisome, from the inconsistency in service to the infrastructure in Istanbul which is abysmal.

SU? Really? If those Russian commercial aircraft are so great, how come the Russian carriers are looking abroad? Where's the latest Russian widebody? Aeroflot has what - 16 Russian aircraft in its current inventory of 138 aircraft? Embraer is more successful than the Russian companies. Don't get me wrong - big fan of Russian military aircraft (the Mig-21 and Mig 29 are real masterpieces), but those companies still have a long way to go before they produce genuine export quality commercial aircraft.

Your statements about the inconsistency of the TK product - and Turkish infrastructure - are the only valid points in there. I don't think anyone who's travelled TK would disagree that there is plenty of room for improvement. But it is on the right track - look at the inroads its making with sixth freedom traffic. How does SU compare? An older established brand that is still a carrier of last resort for 6th freedom traffic? I suspect AY has a stronger international brand than SU.

I'm sure you have many reasons to put TK down, but apart from the well-known issues concerning consistency and infrastructure, the rest are invalid.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:18 am

Any info on the very late go-around at ORD this eve?
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:29 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 4):
Perhaps TK787 can kindly post a new corrected summary and agenda as usual to continue.

Why does TK787 need to provide a summary of the previous thread so this discussion can continue? Nobody owns these Turkish Aviation Threads. A new summary could be considered as a 'Double Post' as it duplicates what I've already put in the opening post
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:03 am

While İ like and kind of got used of summaries done by TK787 , we should also give him a break time to time . Starting a treat should not be obligation of him but must remain as a gesture from him to us .. On the other hand , I don't think summary of 777ER is full of bashing as some other person tried some months ago which was really biased against TK
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:21 am

With regards to some comments that has been made about the original poster not being a Turkish member as such, please take note of the following:

All members are welcome to start new threads (whether general or regional). No one owns the right to certain threads.

If anyone has comments/issues with this, please e-mail the Moderating Team at [email protected] and we the Moderating Team will discuss those concerns with you via e-mail, and not in the open forums.


Enjoy the thread. Thanks and regards,

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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:12 am

This months thread was as good as usual, so I thought this thread was also started by TK787. It has no quality difference from the ones TK787 has been doing.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:30 pm

Naturally the thread is mostly about TK and/or IST which is ok and gives us a lot of input. But what about the latest status of the other carriers? What are their plans and projects for the winter months?

PC, KK, 8Q, XQ, FHY, CAI, TWI, Borajet, Seabird???
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:37 pm

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 9):
Simple question: why is Turkey unable to produce their own jet aircraft, both wide-body and narrow-body?

Are you for real?

Right - why doesn't LH produce their own aircraft (just being part of the Airbus consortium is not enough) - and BA for that matter (just making the RR engines don't count) anymore? And how about CX, EK, QR, SQ, ... and 99% of the world's airlines ...

What's your point?

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 9):
TK is simply trying to mimic what the Gulf airlines are doing relying on a huge domestic and tourist base, with more or less degree of success, all that while being managed by a Western consultancy group, but even so, the gaps are worrisome, from the inconsistency in service to the infrastructure in Istanbul which is abysmal.

Yes - the same EK/EY/QR that DO NOT produce their own aircraft (according to your own twisted logic).

Sure, Istanbul airport infrastructure isn't what Dubai is NOW. How good was Dubai 10 years ago? And 20 years ago? And how about 200 years ago ... when Istanbul was (and still is) the world's crossroads?

You are mixing aviation with everything else ... let's not open a can of worms here!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:28 pm

Happy 7th anniversary kids!!!
This is the 7th year in a row a Turkish Aviation thread has been started on the first of the month with great participation.
This would have been impossible without the incredible growth of TK.

I would like to thank all the old-timers that have contributed to these threads over the years. Some of you decided to take less part over the years but I for one would like to thank you for all the information you shared. Sagolun, varolun!
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:50 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 18):

Suat you are the man  I am guilty as charged, in participating less but i read every post on here. Sende sagol varol 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:56 pm

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 5):

That looks bad, real nasty.

Anyone knows the METAR at the time?

[Edited 2013-12-02 08:08:03]
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:12 pm

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 5):

This bounced landing, go around with tailstrike is discussed here as well:

Rejected Landing Or Go Around? (by TheRedBaron Dec 1 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:29 pm

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 7):
TK should offer more international flights to ESB and ADB to ease off some int to dom transit pax from IST and utilize this to int to int transit pax flow.

At investors day, TK said its focus is on Istanbul market.

ESB is served with AJet, while ADB is covered by Sun Express.

See here for more insight
TK: "Center Of The Globe" - Investor Day Notes (by LAXintl Nov 24 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 7):
Also TK can transfer some flights from IST to SAW

Yes they are doing that. In mentioned above thread they said they will have 24 aircraft based there next year.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:13 pm

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 7):
Last but not least cargo operations should get out of IST either to Corlu or elsewhere, IST is too important to utilize for cargo now in spite of the recent expansion to add more pax terminal space, that will not be sufficient either.

Cargo ops need to stay at IST. Freighters operations are tied together with the passenger aircraft as cargo is transferred back and forth. Just like IST is a passenger transfer hub, its also a cargo hub.

In addition the manner things have developed in Turkey, virtually the entire air freight forwarder community is based nearby IST, with virtually no infrastructure further away.
Several airlines have looked at using SAW for cargo, but outside the integrators (UPS), and charters (ACT/MNG etc) it does not work.

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 16):
PC, KK, 8Q, XQ, FHY, CAI, TWI, Borajet, Seabird???

Yes interesting to discuss what is happening with others.

For Onur Air last month they had their new CEO quit, so now they have appointed a 3rd CEO in 3 months.
I'm not sure what this means for the direction of the company. The new owners obviously want to change the strategy, but seem to be having trouble with their CEO's.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 18):
Happy 7th anniversary kids!!!

Yes Happy Anniversary.      

Thanks for all your efforts over the years!

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 23):
At investors day, TK said its focus is on Istanbul market.


   TK mainline will become Istanbul airways, the same way BA has focused on London, AF on Paris, etc
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:39 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 4):
Perhaps TK787 can kindly post a new corrected summary and agenda as usual to continue.

At least, this time we have a Boeing t/s little old tech but still strong :P
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:25 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 18):

Thanks for all the threads   It certainly has seen lots of changes over the last 7 years. LH are now offering free hotel for passengers on the THR-USA route to compete with TK. It seems they are looking to tap into traffic lost in the past. Im not sure what LH offer baggage wise on that specific route but TK offer one of the most generous in the industry to the majority of their network.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:19 pm

New TK Kobe Bryant commercial to be revealed later today here in LA...
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:26 pm

Rumors are around for a new WB order from TK.

I found this list for fuel burn of new aircraft types per m2 floor space on an other forum. However I do not know credibility of this source .

Quoting ferpe (Reply 116):

Here the fuel burn table with the types requested, all over a 6000nm still air leg followed by the Payload-Range table for the 350-400 pax battle:

...................Block fuel t.........l/100km/m2
787-8.............58.9..................2.96
787-9.............63.2..................2.76
787-10...........67.9..................2.65
350-800.........62.5..................2.86
350-900.........66.2..................2.64
350-1000........75.5..................2.65
777-8.............79.5..................2.80
777-9.............84.4..................2.63
777-300ER......94.1..................3.12
340-600........103.8..................3.66
747-400........123.8..................3.96
747-8i...........118.8..................3.25
380-800........149.7..................3.08

A359 and B779 are the models to go in my opinion.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:31 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 18):

I heard my name  
On board TK 1 TC-jjo Comfort Class. Full on business and Comfort. I complained to Tk asistant Cfo about losing Comfort Class seats last month. He said they'd keep one seat for me on each plane 

Seriously it's a pity.

Btw, the soft product is very good so far. (3 more hrs to go)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:52 pm

Comfort Class is a great product is a vicitm of inconsistent fleet and cabin configuration by TK. IF TK would offer this on all wide body service on all long haul flights, even some mediun haul flights, it would be very popular and profitable I am sure.

The fact that TK has very small Business Class compared to other long haul players, the way to go would be to push for Comfort Class and try to install in all fleet ASAP, most compainies are now having their executives fly premium economy rather than Business Class so definitely the right product.

TK will have to reintroduce this one way or another again in the future, that is what the industry norms are showing nowadays....
 
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Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:54 pm

And here it is, Kobe vs Messi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhFqSlvbKAM

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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:07 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 30):

And here it is, Kobe vs Messi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhFqS...vbKAM

Excellent! Have to be honest this is a great way to market their destinations.

Although it's a little old, Emirates had a commercial showing their destinations. TK almost makes you want to get up and go now!
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:45 am

THY put first sharklet to TC-JSK: http://kokpit.aero/turkish-a321-sharklet-tc-jsk
After Pegasus' TC-DCA, second sharklet A320 series in Turkey...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:04 am

The next new A330 303 of TKs former 20 orders was delivered and ferried to istanbul last night.

3 A330 in about a months, let the new destinations come...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:39 am

Another month, another great thread. Thanks to everyone who has made this place a must on my list of sites to visit first thing in the morning... Hope to contribute more!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:36 am

Quoting tozbek (Reply 32):
After Pegasus' TC-DCA, second sharklet A320 series in Turkey...

are any pictures of this particular plane out there? I've seen only the all white ones...

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 30):

interesting that they didnt use the TK jingles at all. I almost expected it atleast at the end  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:38 pm

An interesting article on TK in this edition if you can get your hands on a copy its worth a read :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/BE/E294B97E-2C46-4BED-BFD6-37D5DEF9388B_zpsa5rrj7zj.jpg
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:08 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 23):
TK mainline will become Istanbul airways, the same way BA has focused on London, AF on Paris, etc

That's understandable, but in the end, they will have to open genuine bases in ESB and ADB, with a view to connecting these 2 with major European airports.

Otherwise it will leave a superb vacuum for LH and AF.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:09 pm

More TK expected in France:

TK is now set to open IST-NTE by Summer 2014, let's keep our fingers crossed.

BOD is also strongly rumoured, but this will seemingly not come until 2015.

MRS is also set to be stepped up to 4/5-weekly to daily next year, but this is still to be confirmed. TLS has already been stepped up to a daily service, and a 2-daily service is already in sight.

Once TK serves NTE and BOD, we may expect quieter network expansion in France. LIL and MPL belong to a different league, and are too close to MRS/TLS and CDG/BRU respectively but who knows... A resumption of SXB also seems uncertain, as FRA and BSL/MLH are very close.

However, we may reasonably expect more frequency on existing destinations by 2020: 2 daily on MRS, NTE, BOD, MLH/BSL, 3-daily on LYS, NCE and TLS, and a substantial increase and upgauge as well on PAR (with a resumption of ORY?).


LUX is also to be served on a daily basis from 2014 or 2015.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:27 am

Looks like TK is adding frequencies to ICN next year thanks to an expanded bilateral agreement. No idea on aircraft type.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:32 am

Yes Seoul goes 11 weekly -- mix A330/A340.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:52 am

TK is looking to serve IOA- Ioannia according to reports. They are looking for 3-4 weekly from IST.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:12 pm

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 38):
TK is now set to open IST-NTE by Summer 2014, let's keep our fingers crossed.

BOD is also strongly rumoured, but this will seemingly not come until 2015.

NTE and BOD are the 2 very big holes on flight map of TK in Europe.

TK should also consider KRK and BGO where both have substantial business and tourism potential. For example I know a person who is working on an offshore petrol platform and flies AYT-IST-FRA-BGO twice a month and rests at Turkish Riviera when platform duty finishes.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 41):

TK is looking to serve IOA- Ioannia according to reports. They are looking for 3-4 weekly from IST.

I've been to Ioannina (Yanya in Turkish) a few times. It is a very nice city with a beautiful lake in front. Historically important for Turks as well. Old city is preserved very well where you can still see some Turkish Flags on the walls of old houses. Also the Ottoman Palace (now Byzantium Museum !!!!) is a must see place. This was one of the cities which I was proud of as a Turkish (along with Mostar and Sarajevo). However airport does not have international section, IOA-IST flights would be a challenge...
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:26 pm

I loved the new commercial. I think it's much better than the previous one, it's short , sweet and to the point.

My $0.02s  .

Selfish plug : started to write columns at kokpit.aero website (so far only in Turkish) . Here s the link to this weeks article.

http://kokpit.aero/amerikali-pilotlarin-sefer-tasi
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:50 pm

Turkish Airlines' first sharklet equipped A321 (TC-JSK) began schecule operation: http://kokpit.aero/thy-tc-jsk-sharklet-takildi
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:17 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 42):
NTE and BOD are the 2 very big holes on flight map of TK in Europe.

Agreed.

So far NTE is pretty much a Skyteam (AF)+Transavia-Easy Jet territory. TK would doubtless bring more opportunities, especially as Nantes is doing pretty well both in terms of economy and demography.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 42):
TK should also consider KRK and BGO where both have substantial business and tourism potential.

TK would probably do good business in both BGO and SVG.

Concerning Poland, KRK would be a good target, and GDN as well. WRO and POZ, too, but at a later stage.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:27 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 40):
Yes Seoul goes 11 weekly -- mix A330/A340.

It has good feed from their main early afternoon european arrival wave, but the return is going to be more of a problem.
Not that much connecting options besides of main european capitals and africa.

This is actually a hot topic since we will seequite some frequency increases in the next years with double dailies to asia.
The problem actually is that the two major european waves leave too close to each other at 8am and 1430pm. Instead, a later departure around 7 or 8 would be better in my opinionand result in less skewed patterns. This is also the reason for huge ground timings in their main asia wave around 1am.

Any info on the delivery months of the next WB IN 2014?

Thanks to everyone for having such a vivid discussion.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:58 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 30):

And here it is, Kobe vs Messi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhFqS...vbKAM

Haha - this one really scores big!!!   

I loved it ... and 17 million others!!!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:17 am

Turkish Airports Administration just annuonce November numbers. ESB for the first time in its history exceeded 10 M pax in first 11 months. End of November international + domestic pax is 10,046,499 so ESB now belongs to another tier in global airports list, well done, good....!!!

ADB expected to pass 10 M mark end of December too...

May be this will ring the bell for some more international airlines to reinstate their position at ADB and ESB, the pottnil players are BA, AF, KL ??? may be more
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2013

Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:26 pm

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 48):
ESB for the first time in its history exceeded 10 M pax in first 11 months.

Great achievement, thanks to Anadolujet.
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