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Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:40 pm

I am a regular ATL - LAX - ATL flyer. The flights are crazy crowded and it feels like Delta continues to downsize equipment - often there are 2 or 3 737s per day. I'm Platinum / 1M miler and a couple weeks ago I was 49th on the upgrade list. I don't expect to be upgraded, but it feels like Delta needs to upgrade equipment / increase capacity.

Any thoughts / ideas on this route? Can we expect to see more 737s? Any chance we could get something similar to the JFK - LAX - JFK product?
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:37 pm

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/upgauged

What is upgauged mean?    You meant upgrade or update ?

The word is not in the dictionary or webster for upgauged at all. Who teach you the spelling word coming from?

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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:44 pm

Quoting Q (Reply 1):
What is upgauged mean?

There are topics on the issue. Please see:

Usage Of The Terms "upgauge / Downgauge" (by Kleinsim Aug 17 2009 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:03 pm

Quoting vl1988 (Thread starter):

As a DL Diamond Medallion, I've realised that on flights to/from SF0-ATL-SFO, if you want to be in First, then just pay the First Class fare. I'm also tired of being in the top 3 of the upgrade list on my flights and not being upgraded particularly on a day-time flight. And now with more and more B739ERs being scheduled to replace B752s, that leaves 6 less seats in First available. So if you want First then pay for First. Simple as that! Or book your fare in K class or higher and use one of your systemwide upgrade certificates!

[Edited 2013-12-01 07:25:41]
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:28 pm

Look at it like this, the 739ERs are new planes and you know what you're going to get, unlike with their 752 fleet, which is a mixed bag indeed and you never really know what particular layout you're going to get.

The thing is that DL's competition on the route is AirTran/Southwest, so DL doesn't really need to up their game on the route too much. Now if AA does start ATL-LAX service as it has been rumored, you might see some changes, as AA would probably go after DL in a way that FL/WN cannot, and DL would have to offer service and amenities that are on par (or greater) with the product AA puts on the route.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:31 pm

Quoting vl1988 (Thread starter):
Any thoughts / ideas on this route? Can we expect to see more 737s? Any chance we could get something similar to the JFK - LAX - JFK product?

Full flights, at relatively high average fares, with people paying for first class sounds just the way a profit-maximizing carrier would want it.

Looking at schedules for 12/9 on LAX-ATL, there's a 77L, 3 domestic 763s, an international 763, three 757s, and two 739s.

ITA shows DL advance purchase 3-day stay Business fares at no less than $2446 on the LAX-JFK non-stops r/t in January. LAX-ATL can be had for $910, even under $1000 with less than 7-days adv purchase. That doesn't sound like a premium route to me.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:42 pm

Agree. Not really a premium route with little competition. Selfishly, I'd like to see 767s with more economy comfort.

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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:37 pm

If AA announces LAX-ATL, expect a DL upgauge.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:43 pm

Coming back from LHR on DL I always route myself LHR-ATL-LAX-SLC, and I've only been on the 763 or 77L so far on any of my ATL-LAX flights. But allow me to echo my cohorts here and say, if you want First, pay for it. It's what I do.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:08 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 8):

Coming back from LHR on DL I always route myself LHR-ATL-LAX-SLC, and I've only been on the 763 or 77L so far on any of my ATL-LAX flights. But allow me to echo my cohorts here and say, if you want First, pay for it. It's what I do.

I'm beginning to conclude its more cost effective to compete air fares among airlines and a la carte it rather than strive for medallion status or shelling out for a first class ticket that is overpriced relative to the length of the flight.

By competing the fare on multiple airlines and a la carting, you may get better value in the end. I've let my DL DM drop to SM. While I miss the club perk (and I can still a la carte that if I have a long layover) and the mileage bonus, the other differences have not really been that significant. The drop was mainly driven by changes in travel needs and a desire to increase savings, but as my status drops, I've been much more open to flying other airlines based on price and a la carte options. Virgin America has been rising on my "to try" list, for example.

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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:19 pm

The fact that you cannot get an upgrade with the "free" upgrade system that DL uses, is the primary reason I have stayed with AA, even though I live in ATL and travel to LAX multiple times a year. I will gladly stop in DFW and have a nearly 100% success rate upgrading as an AA Platinum flyer.

Hopefully AA will begin LAX-ATL-LAX. I think they could make one flight a day work.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:21 pm

A few weeks ago I came back through ATL and simply chose a 763 to return on. Didnt help me get upgrsded, but I sat next to senior crew and enjoyed some stories. Also got to fly the new 739ER and it really has the feeling of a bus. But the 739 is a nice ride, nice to be on new metal...even had that new plane smell.
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:13 pm

Quoting odysseus9001 (Reply 9):
I'm beginning to conclude its more cost effective to compete air fares among airlines and a la carte it rather than strive for medallion status or shelling out for a first class ticket that is overpriced relative to the length of the flight.

I only shell out the J Fare on my TATL trips. Anything domestic, I pay the higher coach fares, but I also purchased a la carte my SkyClub membership and I like to throw in the mileage bonuses every now and then.

Quoting odysseus9001 (Reply 9):
Virgin America has been rising on my "to try" list, for example.

I love VA...and their Loft lounge at LAX is a nice place to chill out between flights.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:17 pm

LAX-ATL already has more domestic widebody service than just about any other route in the United States (AA JFK-LAX has more, but not for long with the 762 retirements). Don't expect DL to add much more widebody capacity, especially with the domestic 763s due to be retired in the next few years.
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:05 pm

DL also uses a 777LR on the daily morning flight and a 767-300ER on one of the red eyes. As far as upgrades go between ATL and any of the So Cal airports go forget it. SNA is just as bad. ONT is the best bet but you will have to connect in SLC.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:34 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 3):
As a DL Diamond Medallion, I've realised that on flights to/from SF0-ATL-SFO, if you want to be in First, then just pay the First Class fare. I'm also tired of being in the top 3 of the upgrade list on my flights and not being upgraded particularly on a day-time flight. And now with more and more B739ERs being scheduled to replace B752s, that leaves 6 less seats in First available. So if you want First then pay for First. Simple as that! Or book your fare in K class or higher and use one of your systemwide upgrade certificates!

I agree completely with this statement. If you want first class, pay for it. Chances are you won't get an upgrade if you just purchase an Y ticket and you shouldn't. First Class is for people who pay for it not for people who mooch it.
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:51 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 15):
I agree completely with this statement. If you want first class, pay for it. Chances are you won't get an upgrade if you just purchase an Y ticket and you shouldn't. First Class is for people who pay for it not for people who mooch it.

I agree as well, and my last trip to Hawaii was paid F for the same reason stated above, I wanted to ensure I was up there. However all airlines have marketed upgrades as a big part of their rewards for loyal fliers, and now it is slowly becoming something you can't find, like the 25k mileage award.

Quoting AirMatt (Reply 10):
is the primary reason I have stayed with AA, even though I live in ATL and travel to LAX multiple times a year. I will gladly stop in DFW and have a nearly 100% success rate upgrading as an AA Platinum flyer.

I did the same exact thing when I was Gold on AA years ago, and moved to ATL, back then you'd get a DC-10 DFW-LAX and there was always a seat for even us golds.
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:09 pm

The times are changing. The airlines have finally figured out how to make money. If you want first class, pay for it. Current AAdvantage members will soon learn this.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:15 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 7):
If AA announces LAX-ATL, expect a DL upgauge.

Does this actually have a chance of being a thing?
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:01 am

DL also runs the 777-200LR between ATL-LAX (DL110) and LAX-ATL(DL80) daily.

These are domestic flights positioning the planes to go to and from SYD. Planes typically go DXB-ATL-LAX-SYD-LAX-ATL-JNB-ATL from what I have noticed.

Try taking those if you don't care for the DL 738 product.

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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:40 am

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
Try taking those if you don't care for the DL 738 product.

Delta isn't currently running the 738 on ATL-LAX; they're using the new 739ERs.

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
DL also runs the 777-200LR between ATL-LAX (DL110) and LAX-ATL(DL80) daily.

Already been mentioned:

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 5):
Looking at schedules for 12/9 on LAX-ATL, there's a 77L, 3 domestic 763s, an international 763, three 757s, and two 739s.
Quoting DLdiamondboy (Reply 14):
DL also uses a 777LR on the daily morning flight and a 767-300ER on one of the red eyes.


[Edited 2013-12-01 17:40:43]
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:44 am

Quoting Vl1988 (Reply 6):
Selfishly, I'd like to see 767s with more economy comfort.

Have you not found EC seats (aisle or window) available for selection when you bought your tickets? There has been discussion of DL adding more EC seats to a certain type but I don't recall which one(s).
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:53 am

I appreciate all the comments. Very interesting and informative. I agree if you want first, pay for first. And I have done that a few times on this flight. I was kind of hoping a Delta insider would chime in with "big news on this route coming soon" or "Yea, we plan to keep put the 767-4s back on this route". I know, wishful thinking.

Hopefully the Delta folks who read this respected forum take note.

FWIW, I avoid the 777 domestically since there isn't internet. Anyone know when the international fleet will be fitted to support internet?
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:58 am

Any hub (ATL, DTW, MSP, JFK) - West Coast (LAX, SFO, SEA) are extremely elite-heavy routes that see a healthy combination of the following:

a) paid first class
b) international connecting traffic in Business Elite
c) many high-tier elite commuters (e.g., weekly travelers that do ATL-LAX every week and rack up a lot of miles and status)

Nothing new here, these routes often see a lot of top-tier elites and even many Diamonds, except in the higher coach fare classes will be flying in coach. Upgrades are very tough on any of these flights, except at off-peak times/days.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:05 am

Quoting Vl1988 (Reply 22):

I thought DL marketed themselves as having WiFi on all aircraft above 50 seats? I know they don't have international WiFi, but I would've thought they'd still have it, given the domestic turns wide bodies do in their system.
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:12 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 3):
As a DL Diamond Medallion, I've realised that on flights to/from SF0-ATL-SFO, if you want to be in First, then just pay the First Class fare

A simple concept with which I agree. When I fly MIA-LAX-MIA on AA on the 772, I either pay for F or use miles, because I want to be in F on the flights and not leave it up to chance.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:55 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 24):
I thought DL marketed themselves as having WiFi on all aircraft above 50 seats? I know they don't have international WiFi, but I would've thought they'd still have it, given the domestic turns wide bodies do in their system.

Domestic fleet only. Some of the 752s that do Transatlantic runs are outfitted with it because they also get used on the premium transcon runs between JFK-LAX/SFO/SEA. With ATL-LAX being the only scheduled domestic 77L run, it probably doesn't make sense to put WiFi on the 77L fleet.

Quoting Vl1988 (Reply 22):
Anyone know when the international fleet will be fitted to support internet?

It is supposed to be happening right now, as it was originally announced in June 2012 and according to the press release, is due to be completed by 2015.

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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:39 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 24):
I thought DL marketed themselves as having WiFi on all aircraft above 50 seats?
Quoting srbmod (Reply 26):
Domestic fleet only.

That's a detail that seems lost quite regularly on domestic runs I've taken on long-haul aircraft. The welcome spiel includes reference to wifi availability, the safety video mentions wifi availability, and when passengers complain about absence of wifi an FA will respond with something like 'it should be available,' or 'it must be broken.' DL really should update procedures so as not to create an expectation it will not fulfill. I'll quite happily take a lie-flat seat and no wifi vs. domestic first with wifi!
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Quoting N776AU (Reply 18):
Does this actually have a chance of being a thing?

Definitely. However, it doesn't have a chance of hurting DL much, and would be more for AA's frequent fliers on either end who probably connect through DFW currently. It would be similar to DL's LAX-MIA flight.

I think a likely DL response would be to jump into one or two AA markets from LAX (LAX-BDL or LAX-PIT), or to add competing service directly from DFW (e.g. SEA-DFW).
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:50 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 26):

I hope the 76Ws hae WiFi soon because they are officially operating more JFK-LAX frequencies than the 757s. That's not gonna be good if word starts spreading that DL doesn't have wifi on these important flights.
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:51 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 28):

I think a likely DL response would be to jump into one or two AA markets from LAX (LAX-BDL or LAX-PIT), or to add competing service directly from DFW (e.g. SEA-DFW).

I'd put money on LAX-DFW and LAX-ORD.

But I expect LAX-ATL on AA and possibly MSP and/or DTW. Just natural fits for two expanding airlines in LA.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:44 pm

Quoting DDR (Reply 17):

I just hope the new American doesn't go to free upgrades. I have no problem paying for the upgrade segments.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:42 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 30):
I'd put money on LAX-DFW and LAX-ORD.

I know you dream of an LAX hub, but LAX-ORD is not happening. UA, AA and WN have solid loyalty bases & an array of connectivity on both ends; additionally, VX competes for the high-end market and NK the low-end. That's a tough crowd -- DL would need to compete with (at minimum) a 126-seat aircraft, which essentially rules it out of the market, unless it's willing to endure years of heavy losses for a faint hope of prosperity. It's just not a critical piece to the network.

Heck, DL's struggling with LAX-MIA, despite limited competition.
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:55 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 32):
I know you dream of an LAX hub, but LAX-ORD is not happening. UA, AA and WN have solid loyalty bases & an array of connectivity on both ends; additionally, VX competes for the high-end market and NK the low-end. That's a tough crowd -- DL would need to compete with (at minimum) a 126-seat aircraft, which essentially rules it out of the market, unless it's willing to endure years of heavy losses for a faint hope of prosperity. It's just not a critical piece to the network.

Sounds exactly like what was said about Boston.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:10 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 33):
Sounds exactly like what was said about Boston.

I certainly didn't make that claim about BOS.

1) LAX-BOS has no where close the competition as LAX-ORD.
2) No single carrier "dominates" BOS; DL certainly isn't disprivileged in BOS in terms of local market share. It most certainly is in Chicago.
3) Almost undoubtedly, DL would enter LAX-ORD on a 73H (premium product). Thus, DL would be relying nearly exclusively on its LAX fan base to fill more than 300 daily seats (assuming one daily flight in each direction) on what will prove to be the 30-somethingth daily flight between LAX & Chicago -- a market already suffering in some yield metrics. Think DL's going to change that?

Not going to happen. Sorry.
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:37 am

I do see DL starting DFW-LAX E175/CR9 service sooner rather than later, but likely not ORD.
Keep in mind that DL express an intent to do DAL-LAX if they get the gates.

LAX-DFW/DAL is lower risk and can be operated with 2-class 76 seat RJs. That wouldn't work for ORD-LAX.
 
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RE: Possibility Of DL's ATL-LAX-ATL Flights Getting Upgauged?

Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:07 pm

Quoting vl1988 (Thread starter):
I'm Platinum / 1M miler and a couple weeks ago I was 49th on the upgrade list. I don't expect to be upgraded, but it feels like Delta needs to upgrade equipment / increase capacity.

I am as well and you know why, you're flying on a T fare. Use the advanced booking options to book higher fare buckets, your upgrade chances are exponentially higher....
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