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RE: Aeroflot Displeased With Skyteam Relations

Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:27 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 44):
althought we must acknowledge that lately DL would appear to be trying to squeeze AS.

  

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 46):
I read it in one of the Turkish Aviation (monthly) Threads of 2012...

I would be very hard-pressed to see that idea to come to fruition.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Displeased With Skyteam Relations

Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:55 pm

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 47):
Mexicana was not in any alliance when it went under, it left *A before that happened.

MX was a full member of oneworld when it went under.
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RE: Aeroflot Displeased With Skyteam Relations

Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:16 pm

Quoting irishayes (Reply 43):
and the other is basically not given the time of day (KE). What is the key driver behind this? Oh, yeah. It's Delta and how Delta relates to these two players. Funny stuff, isn't it?

KE not given the time of day? More like the other way round. People need to stop portraying KE as some poor waifish wallflower being trampled on by the Europeans and Americans. DL has tried to pursue closer ties with KE (a JV) and has come away empty-handed. Just take a look at the number of JVs DL has managed to establish successfully versus how many KE has, KE currently has a grand total of ZERO JVs....


As for SU, I suspect some of it may have to do with the fact that SU is often the bottom feeder in many markets (they charge ridiculously low fares in many markets) and the other carriers do not like that, or do not want their yields depressed with the addition of SU....
 
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RE: Aeroflot Displeased With Skyteam Relations

Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:28 pm

Quoting diverdave (Reply 49):
I can't imagine any Western carrier would be all that eager to have Aeroflot as part of a JV.

Why is that?
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RE: Aeroflot Displeased With Skyteam Relations

Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:10 pm

The TATL JVs seem to be very successful at crowding out even their own alliance partners.
 
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RE: Aeroflot Displeased With Skyteam Relations

Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:21 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 21):
Show one example of an airline that actually got booted or publicly threatened to be booted. LH/TK merely discontinuing code-share doesn't count

= Do you think most commercially sensitive discussions happen in open forums?

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
Personally I'd think it'd be better to have SU/TK on your side as a powerful tool against the ME3 for example, but I think egos and not reason are driving a lot of decisions at this point.

= Agreed.

I have sat in SkyTeam entry negotiations many times, and AF used to be the arrogant pain in you know what. DL is doing a good job of late taking that role.

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RE: Aeroflot Displeased With Skyteam Relations

Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:26 pm

Quoting irishayes (Reply 50):
Quoting SR4ever (Reply 46):
I read it in one of the Turkish Aviation (monthly) Threads of 2012...

I would be very hard-pressed to see that idea to come to fruition.

Stupid me, it was in that Thread:

Turkish Airlines Hub In CPH (by b735 Oct 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Aeroflot Displeased With Skyteam Relations

Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:36 pm

Quoting diverdave (Reply 49):
I can't imagine any Western carrier would be all that eager to have Aeroflot as part of a JV.

In what sense?
 
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RE: Aeroflot Displeased With Skyteam Relations

Fri Dec 06, 2013 2:15 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 52):
As for SU, I suspect some of it may have to do with the fact that SU is often the bottom feeder in many markets (they charge ridiculously low fares in many markets) and the other carriers do not like that, or do not want their yields depressed with the addition of SU....

Russia and the US do not have an Open Skies agreement.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 55):
DL is doing a good job of late taking that role.

They're doing a good job of watching out for their interests. It seems to be paying off rather well.

Deepened cooperation with alliance partners makes no sense if the benefits all flow in one direction. Delta is perfectly willing to cooperate when it is actually in their interest to do so. They've built numerous mutually beneficial JVs.

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