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Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:13 pm

With Boeing working on the the 739ERMAX and Airbus starting the 321NEO which IMHO are just wannabe 757 replacements. Who will build a true 757 replacement frame or is one even needed at this point if ever? Thoughts?

Note: There have been threads about this last one was 4 years ago...time to update.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:36 pm

With the 737-9MAX and, especially, the A321NEO closing the gap on 757 performance, I don't see much of a market for a 757 replacement. If there were a 757 replacement, I'm sure we would see an order from the North American legacy carriers, but I don't think the demand is large enough to warrant such an investment from A or B. The 737-9 and A321 seem to be filling most of the roles for now.

That being said, I do think the replacements for the 737MAX and A320NEO families will have capacities close to the 752. Some variants may have as much range too.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:38 pm

I think the thing is... MOST airlines can accomplish the MAJORITY of missions that the 752 does/did, with the A321 or 739ER. Sure, take-off performance is an issue for some hot/high airports, but this is not the majority of cases. A321 NEO and 739ER have essentially the performance needed for what the airlines truly utilize them for. This is especially true in Europe.

My question is, what will replace 752s on thin, trans-atlantic routes that US carriers use the 757 on... for example almost all the US Majors use 752s to western europe or parts of south america that are beyond the 737 and A32x family's range, but which do not have enough capacity/demand for a larger bird like a 763 or 788.

This is yet to be seen....

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Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:41 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
or is one even needed at this point if ever

There has been talk about it in almost every aviation forum, will it happen? Maybe... But it would really depend on what you define as a "true" 757 replacement. Both the 737-900ER and A321 can cover the passenger capacity, but both fall short in range compared to the 757. But, if its a transatlantic replacement you are looking for, then you need to remember that those TATL 757 are the last off the line ( only about 50 or so).
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:49 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
but both fall short in range compared to the 757

could an IGW 737-8er or A320/319 NEO max fit the bill for range? essentially the fuel capacity and MTOW of the 321 or 739er but sacrifice capacity for range.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:56 pm

Like many have said, these days the routes that need everything a 757 has to offer are few and far between. Where the performance is truly needed, airlines are opting for less capacity with a 73G or airbus.

The trans Atlantic 757 flying might justify the existence of that plane in many fleets years beyond when they're done flying them domestic.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:23 pm

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 4):
could an IGW 737-8er or A320/319 NEO max fit the bill for range? essentially the fuel capacity and MTOW of the 321 or 739er but sacrifice capacity for range.

From what I remember, the only aircraft that matches the current 757 with winglets is the A319 NEO at 4200nm, But it obviously doesn't have the capacity. It has been said that the A321 NEO could possibly be made TATL capable with further engine improvements down the line.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:32 pm

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 5):
Like many have said, these days the routes that need everything a 757 has to offer are few and far between. Where the performance is truly needed, airlines are opting for less capacity with a 73G or airbus.

The trans Atlantic 757 flying might justify the existence of that plane in many fleets years beyond when they're done flying them domestic.

I think this topic is the new when will NW retire its DC-9s. There appears to be 5 similar topics listed below. The one place where current or planned 757 replacement aircraft are still lacking is largely on the TATL market, plus a few of the aforementioned flights deeper into South America. I suspect two things will happen. First many of those markets will mature/grow to the point that larger aircraft like the 788 would make sense. Second future variants of the MAX and NEO will have the capabilities for those flights.

The size of the TATL 757 fleet is fairly small and tends to be among the newest of the 57s out there. Plus they are low-cycle birds to boot. By the time we get a little deeper into the 2020s and they really need to be replaced I am willing to be the above two scenarios will have played out.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:19 pm

This topic keeps coming back but the 757 ended production for a reason. How many routes need a 757 that cannot be served by an A321 or 739? Probably only a handful out of SNA and DCA and a few thin Transatlanic routes. That is not enough to build an aircraft that would sacrifice fuel efficiency the rest of the time.
 
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Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:05 pm

FWIW, what always fascinates me about A.net discussions is that folks seem to base analysis entirely on what they read in manufacturers' spec sheets.

Here we're 8 posts in and not a single person has mentioned one major difference between the A321 and the 757: baggage and cargo.

One of the Caribbean airlines not too long ago was soooo happy with the new-car-smell on their A321s. Until the heavy season hit. Then, they were faced with zillions of bags and packages left behind, even on relatively-short routes. Solution? Bring in 757s.

Fact is that the 757 is/was strong in a wide variety of disciplines. And was for a long time the absolute leader in seat-mile cost. There isn't likely to be a "replacement", because the need for such a good all-around performer may not exist, and the right (cheaper) bird may now be selected for the specific mission.

Except long-thin transatlantic.

Also, nobody mentions human factors and the pilots. Or how advanced the 757 flight deck was for its time (and still is compared to the 737). I'm pretty sure that there isn't a 737-900NEWREALLYWEMEANIT pilot who wouldn't prefer a 6 hour flight in the pointy end of a 757 rather than the cramped, antiquated, inadquate and intentionally-unchanged 737 flight deck

[Edited 2013-12-04 15:07:33]
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:07 am

What was the 707 replacement?

What was the 744 replacement?

What was the DC-10 replacement?

The answer is that there are no exact replacements for any type. The same is true of the 757.

Airlines will continue to operate once the last 757 is beer cans. There are a very few routes that cannot be realistically operated without a 757 and those routes will probably be discontinued. But the vast majority of current 757 routes will be filled nicely by the A32X-NEO and 73X-MAX families.

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 9):
One of the Caribbean airlines not too long ago was soooo happy with the new-car-smell on their A321s. Until the heavy season hit. Then, they were faced with zillions of bags and packages left behind, even on relatively-short routes. Solution? Bring in 757s.

New solution: A321-NEO. Same flight, less fuel, more cargo.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:36 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
What was the 707 replacement?

What was the 744 replacement?

Wasn't the 707 partially replaced by the 767? Granted, not a 1:1 replacement as the range and payload is greater. The 762 was more comparable.

Is the 77W the 741/2 replacement or the 744 replacement?
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:04 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
What was the 707 replacement?

Ultimately, the B767-200 and the B757-200

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
What was the 744 replacement?

Ultimately, the B777-300ER

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
What was the DC-10 replacement?

The B767-400 and B757-300

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
there are no exact replacements for any type.

  , however some aircraft fit into the replacement role quite nicely. The B757-200 was just such an over-capable aircraft that there's little economic justification for designing a true 1:1 "replacement" in terms of overall capability.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:12 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):
Ultimately, the B767-200 and the B757-200

One has similar capacity and more range, the other more capacity and similar range.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):
Ultimately, the B777-300ER

50 fewer passengers and more cargo. Same range.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):
The B767-400 and B757-300

How can two very different aircraft replace one single type?

Point is: there are no REPLACEMENTS. There are SUCCESSORS. And those successors will have different capabilities and so they will fit slightly differently into the route network.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:28 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
What was the DC-10 replacement?

Capacity and range wise, it was indirectly replaced by the 764ER, which CO ordered for the specific purpose of a DC-10 replacement along with DL ordering it as an L-1011 replacement. DL and CO wanted a near exact replacement for their widebody trijets, and the only option available was the A332, so Boeing made the 764ER to keep DL and CO exclusive Boeing customers.

Other airlines on the other hand were more flexible in replacing their DC-10s, and did not have any problem replacing them with a smaller aircraft such as the 763ER or a larger aircraft such as the 772(ER). For example, HA replaced its DC-10s with 763ERs, while UA (pre-merger) replaced its DC-10s with the 772A and 772ER. NW ordered the A330 as a DC-10 replacement, but most of NW's A330 order was for the larger A333 rather than the more similarly-sized A332.

[Edited 2013-12-04 17:35:07]
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:55 am

Quoting flyinggoat (Reply 1):
I do think the replacements for the 737MAX and A320NEO families will have capacities close to the 752. Some variants may have as much range too.

Which unfortunately is at least 20 years away. 
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
What was the 707 replacement?

What was the 744 replacement?

What was the DC-10 replacement?

The answer is that there are no exact replacements for any type. The same is true of the 757.

Best answer!
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:37 am

Let's remember what the 757 was replacing...primarily 727-200. Back then the 737 had not grown in capacity or range and the 757 was massively more cost efficient on short and long sectors. In the beginning it was described as being over-designed for how airlines were using them, though the cost savings with capacity made it worthwhile.

The trans-atlantic utilization that keeps this debate alive is a far more recent development.

[EDIT] - see below

Let's also remember that the 757 was first ordered in 1978...the same year as airline deregulation in the US. Airlines were hopeful for major expansion, wanted cost efficient capacity.

[Edited 2013-12-04 18:41:16]
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:23 am

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 16):
Let's remember what the 757 was replacing...primarily 727-200. Back then the 737 had not grown in capacity or range and the 757 was massively more cost efficient on short and long sectors. In the beginning it was described as being over-designed for how airlines were using them, though the cost savings with capacity made it worthwhile.

The trans-atlantic utilization that keeps this debate alive is a far more recent development.

And in truth, very few airlines (other than cargo operators) actually replaced their 722s with 757s; instead the 757 was mostly purchased for domestic growth or as a replacement for the 707 and DC-8 on domestic routes. Most airlines replaced their 722s with either the A320 or 738, although some airlines also replaced them with the 734 or MD-80. DL originally intended to replace its 727s with the MD-90, but initial reliability problems with the model and Boeing's buyout of McDonnell Douglas led to the cancellation of most of the order, and thus DL's 722s were instead replaced by the 738.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:23 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
New solution: A321-NEO. Same flight, less fuel, more cargo.

Does it have more cargo space (i.e. less belly devoted to fuel)? The problem was the Caribbean cargo was cubing out not weighting out. Regardless, there will be replacement aircraft that fit most needed niches. Of course, one can't get too "nichy", b/c the a/c has to have resale value.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:26 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Note: There have been threads about this last one was 4 years ago...time to update.

More like 4 minutes ago.  


As to the topic, you first need to define "what is the true 757 mission"?

Is it carrying ~200 people and their bags 4000nm?

Is it lifting heavy payload weights from short runways?

Is it lifting heavy payload weights from very hot and high airports?

Because those are the few missions a 757-200 can do that an A321-200 can't.



And once you define that mission, you have to then determine just how many airframes are needed for that.

US carriers are the primary ones flying 757-200s TATL because their LCC competition isn't and because the 757-200s are already fully depreciated. I can pretty much guarantee you that they would not be buying new 757-200s at $80 million a pop (after discounts) to perform those missions.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:10 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
The answer is that there are no exact replacements for any type. The same is true of the 757.

You are entirely right. But the fact that remains is that there is a sub-set of routes flown by 757 presently for which there is no alternative. The A321NEO does not have the range. The 787-8 is too large.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:23 am

Quoting incitatus (Reply 20):

You are entirely right. But the fact that remains is that there is a sub-set of routes flown by 757 presently for which there is no alternative. The A321NEO does not have the range. The 787-8 is too large.

The fact also remains that not every route that is flown today will necessarily be flown in the future. Just as there are plenty of routes that were flown in the past that can't be flown economically with any airplane available today.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:31 am

Just like the 777-300ER is replacing the larger 747, the 737 MAX 9 & the A321NEO will replace the 757. If Airbus & Boeing manage to extend the range of the new birds even further, they will make perfect 757 replacements even on TATL routes.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:48 am

Since it spices up the conversation a little and I haven't heard much about it: how does the Tu-204 compare to the 757? Certainly it's not going to be competitive with the latest A&B products, but is it as disastrous as I've been led to believe about Russian aircraft?
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:39 am

Quoting incitatus (Reply 20):
You are entirely right. But the fact that remains is that there is a sub-set of routes flown by 757 presently for which there is no alternative. The A321NEO does not have the range. The 787-8 is too large.

That's not at question - or the issue. There is no doubt you could sell some number of aircraft like that. The question is whether or not the number of frames needed to fly those routes, times what you can sell them for, is enough to justify building such an aircraft.

Quoting opethfan (Reply 23):
how does the Tu-204 compare to the 757? Certainly it's not going to be competitive with the latest A&B products, but is it as disastrous as I've been led to believe about Russian aircraft?

Errr... They weigh like a 757, but have a payload and range like a 737? While that's a smidge unfair to the -204, not by all that much.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:54 am

A new 752 would certainly trounce the old in all areas, a lot has happened since 1982.. It would have longer range it would not even be seen as a short range NB like the 757 was in the start. It would be seen as a true long and thin economical transport it is. Imagine a 753 sized NB with the range of the 752, must be really hard to beat on fuel cost per seat with a WB. WBs have this disadvantage to be carrying a lot of extra structure for the same number of seats. Regional WB´s is the latests trend, I would rather have 753 sized frames doing this work much more economical. We can leave about 30-40T of structure going NB on the shorter routes say up to 4000-5000nm.

Airbus has the A321, its lacking wings, UC and engines to be a serious replacement though. The 757 has rediculous tall gear but it is a very nice thing to have as well as its over powered engines. A modern try at the 752/3 sized NB would certainly make life harder for the 788.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:11 am

There are no next gen engines for a 757 replacement and the market does not look like it could support a proper program. Convince Rolls to update the Trent 500 or P&W to come up with even more variants of the PW1000 GTF and maybe you can get something rolling.

The 757 mission can be done by the 737/A320 series - just not all at once. ie for performance get the 737-700, for same seating get the 737-900ER.

China should look at building a replacement. They have some VERY high airfields and could use the performance and presumably the passenger carrying capacity at the same time (otherwise fly the 737-700 instead).
 
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What is the reason for the TATL routes with 757s?

Do airlines have thsoe 757s to fly those routes or do they fly those routes because they have some 757s they do not need on shorter routes. I think it is the second. Therefore when the 757 goes those routes either go to 767, A330, 787 or are no longer served. There is no need for a 757 replacement.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:41 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 19):
As to the topic, you first need to define "what is the true 757 mission"?

Is it carrying ~200 people and their bags 4000nm?
Is it lifting heavy payload weights from short runways?
Is it lifting heavy payload weights from very hot and high airports?
Because those are the few missions a 757-200 can do that an A321-200 can't.

And the A321neo will do a higher share of that with 3,650 nm of Range. But the 757 still has 25% more MTOW and lots of it is in larger Wings......
Is there a Mission the 757 can do with 200 Pax the A321neo won´t be able to do with 160?

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Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:14 am

Quoting sweair (Reply 25):
Airbus has the A321, its lacking wings, UC and engines to be a serious replacement though.

But it is seriously replacing 90-95% of what airlines use 757s for and doing it significantly more efficiently. The neo will do the same, but even more so. There's a very good reason Airbus has sold nearly 2,000 of them (including over 460 this year alone!)

I really don't get this obsession with the need to replace the 757 with an exact (all be it, updated) clone to do those few missions the A321 (and to a lesser extent the 739) can't do. Airlines stopped buying 757s a long time ago.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:32 am

I guarantee, if Boeing produced a 757NG line (or 757-8, or whatever the trend is now) we (and I'm sure DL and AA as well) would seriously be considering it as an option. Domestically the bird is not needed except for a few routes possibly. Internationally though, within the next 5-10 years we need to explore a legitimate replacement for the bird. The Max and Neo will NOT work for our operation. Our international market to Europe and several Hawaii/Latin/South American/Caribbean routes are DEPENDENT on only a 757 due to performance and distance limitations. A 321 wont do the job.

I absolutely have no idea what we are going to do when the time is up. A lot of our 757's are starting to show their age (fuel bias adjustments are rising as is maintenance downtime) and with no true replacement frame and engine wise, we are going to be in an interesting situation. Our 757 operation is a very important part of our operation.
 
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Quoting Reply 30):
I guarantee, if Boeing produced a 757NG line (or 757-8, or whatever the trend is now) we (and I'm sure DL and AA as well) would seriously be considering it as an option.

Maybe, But I honest don't see it happening for a while. If anything, I see the so called "true 757 replacement" being a variant of the Next Gen Narrow body aircraft, rather than being an Aircraft by itself.
 
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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 31):
Maybe, But I honest don't see it happening for a while. If anything, I see the so called "true 757 replacement" being a variant of the Next Gen Narrow body aircraft, rather than being an Aircraft by itself.

Hmm... could it happen... a 797?  
 
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Quoting seahawk (Reply 27):
What is the reason for the TATL routes with 757s?

The planes are already paid for and LCCs don't compete with them on the routes, so they can extract decent revenues.
 
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Quoting Reply 30):
I absolutely have no idea what we are going to do when the time is up.

Slash frequencies and use bigger Aircraft on those routes the A321neo/737-9 can´t do.

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Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:25 am

Maybe once 737-9 is released they may think of releasing an ER version?
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:41 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 34):
Quoting Reply 30):
I absolutely have no idea what we are going to do when the time is up.

Slash frequencies and use bigger Aircraft on those routes the A321neo/737-9 can´t do.

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On the long routes the B 757 is doing today the frequency is often once a day. Not a lot of frequency to slash.
There is a reason they are called long THIN routes.
 
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Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 36):
On the long routes the B 757 is doing today the frequency is often once a day. Not a lot of frequency to slash.

But then its possible to go less than daily....
 
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New wing and stretched A321. Let call it the A322NEO
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:08 am

The question is if those long 757 routes would still work, when you use an aircraft that is not paid off, but new built with the associated capital costs.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:37 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 39):
The question is if those long 757 routes would still work, when you use an aircraft that is not paid off, but new built with the associated capital costs.

And welcome to the future playground for older A332/A333 and newer B762 and B763. If the destination can´t carry the extra trip costs, it will be history. But it can still work, TK has even feeder traffic with only 4/7 frequencies, so i guess it could still work without exploding numbers of seats offered.

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Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:47 pm

When Boeing went after the B75/767 builds the B757 was "born" as a proof of concept for a "family of aircraft".

It was the first ETOPS true family offering both narrowbody and widebody offerings wrapped around that famous Section 41 nose section. Keep in mind Boeing had done a similar attempt at commonalities with the first generation jets since the 707/7272/737 nose sections are somewhat identical, with only difference being its # of engines.

The goal was a "DUAL TYPE CERTIFICATE" and the flexibilty provided to operators.

THE 757 ended up being much more airplane than needed. Hard to duplicate or replace something with such pedigree.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:01 pm

What would be next feasible upgrade to A320NEO and 737MAX to improve range?
How are the economics of A319NEO compared to A320NEO?
With current restrictions on checked baggage, does it really matter if A320/B737 cannot carry same amount B757. Ignore the cargo part.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:49 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Point is: there are no REPLACEMENTS. There are SUCCESSORS. And those successors will have different capabilities and so they will fit slightly differently into the route network.

Well said. This is a topic that really deserves to be put to bed.
 
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Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:30 pm

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 18):
Does it have more cargo space (i.e. less belly devoted to fuel)? The problem was the Caribbean cargo was cubing out not weighting out.

I believe that the A321 and 787-900 both have a little more cube than the 752.
 
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Who Will A Build A True 757 Replacement?

Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:46 pm

Quoting hOmsar (Reply 21):
The fact also remains that not every route that is flown today will necessarily be flown in the future. Just as there are plenty of routes that were flown in the past that can't be flown economically with any airplane available today.

By the same token, there are routes that are not flown today because there is not an aircraft suitable to fly them. But they could be profitably served if there was an aircraft designed for them. For example, a 5000 mi route with traffic to support 150 seats.

Quoting rwessel (Reply 24):
The question is whether or not the number of frames needed to fly those routes, times what you can sell them for, is enough to justify building such an aircraft.

The answer to that is a simple no. No, there is not enough demand to justify a stand-alone program.
 
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Who Will A Build A True 757 Replacement?

Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:55 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
But, if its a transatlantic replacement you are looking for, then you need to remember that those TATL 757 are the last off the line ( only about 50 or so).

very interesting, I never knew about that!
 
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RE: Who Will A Build A True 757 Replacement?

Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:05 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
What was the 707 replacement?

Wasn't it the 747? The two models in between 707 and 747 were short range aircrafts.

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Who Will A Build A A True 757 Replacement?

May I suggest a 737-900ER with folding wingtips.
 
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RE: Who Will A Build A True 757 Replacement?

Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:24 pm

Quoting Reply 30):
Our international market to Europe and several Hawaii/Latin/South American/Caribbean routes are DEPENDENT on only a 757 due to performance and distance limitations. A 321 wont do the job.

Not necessarily Hawaii. Don't forget HA has ordered some 321's specifically to operate U.S. West Coast to Hawaii (neighbor islands, not necessarily HNL or OGG ). The new 321 NEO will have sufficient range to handle a full 321 on routes like PDX-KOA/OGG/LIH and even HNL.
 
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RE: Who Will A Build A True 757 Replacement?

Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:47 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):
Ultimately, the B767-200 and the B757-200

One has similar capacity and more range, the other more capacity and similar range.

How does this work? The 762 (non-ER) has slightly higher capacity and similar range, and the 752 has similar capacity but substantially less range compared to a 707-320B-A.

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