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What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:00 pm

Beginning on Jan 7 2014 AA begins phasing in the A321s on the JFK-LAX-JFK runs and later JFK-SFO-JFK and this phase in will ramp up over the course of the next few months after that, so, I have to wonder, what's going to become of the 762s they're replacing?

Along the same lines, I noticed in the schedules that the 7AM LAX-JFK on Jan 7 will be an A321. I did not notice a scheduled A321 the night before however to get an aircraft into position, so, will they simply dead head it from DFW empty? Or are they planning something special to get that first aircraft into position? I suppose the same question could also be asked in regards to the first A321 on the opposing early morning JFK-LAX for that day, deadhead? Or does AA have something special planned?
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:14 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
what's going to become of the 762s they're replacing?

They are fuel heavy and inefficient aircrafts by modern standards.

They will more than likely be scrapped.
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:01 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
what's going to become of the 762s they're replacing?

There has in the last decade been a relatively large aftermarket for cargo conversions of used ex-passengers 762s. However, these particular 762s are some of the oldest in the world, not only with some of the highest time on them but also likely some of the highest cycles, since they have each been doing an average of probably 1.5-2.5 cycles per day for well over a decade, and of course before that were operated extensively across AA's domestic and international network for another 1-2 decades. I doubt these 762s have much life left in them.

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
Along the same lines, I noticed in the schedules that the 7AM LAX-JFK on Jan 7 will be an A321. I did not notice a scheduled A321 the night before however to get an aircraft into position, so, will they simply dead head it from DFW empty? Or are they planning something special to get that first aircraft into position?

The A321 will probably be positioned from DFW to LAX the day before a special flight - I doubt, barring some strange operational occurrence, that it will carry passengers, as AA likely wants to preserve the "first flight" of this premier aircraft for the equally-premier route for which it was intended.

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Thread starter):
I suppose the same question could also be asked in regards to the first A321 on the opposing early morning JFK-LAX for that day

As of today the first scheduled westbound JFK departure back to LAX that day isn't until AA133 at 1545 in the afternoon. Nonetheless, since the first eastbound (AA118) isn't scheduled to arrive JFK until 1530, it does appear that, indeed, at least 1 A321 will also have to be prepositioned up to JFK - probably the night before, so it can be available during the day on 1/7 for press events, media coverage, etc.
 
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:01 pm

These planes are from the 1980's, they have had a long life from the few cycles they fly between coasts. They are toast unless some argo outfit wants them.
 
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:50 pm

Maybe, definitely a soda can???
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Fri Dec 06, 2013 3:57 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 5):

Maybe, definitely a soda can???

unlikely a soda can, wrong alloys, but new aircraft parts after being melted down and remade...
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:48 pm

They'll most likey end up like all of AA's A300's . Scrapped.
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:13 pm

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 6):
unlikely a soda can, wrong alloys, but new aircraft parts after being melted down and remade...

LOL it's a strange thought, but the same piece of metal could have been a DC6/707/762 and then go on to be an E190 or 77W or an A320 or A380.....
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:31 pm

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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:50 am

The 762 that AA sent to the desert last week had 104,300 hours on it. Do you really think someone would find it worthwhile to convert it to freighter? I don't.
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:33 am

These planes go back 30 years. Last December I flew on an AA 762 JFK-SFO, (after flying BKK-HND-JFK). Not as sophisticated as the 777, but I was reminded of the first time I flew RDU-LGW on AA and it was a 762. It was the first time I made the trip to Europe in a 2 engine aircraft and this airplane made what was formerly impossible an every day reality.
After landing in SFO, I watched the 762 get ready to fly back to JFK on another transcon. And as I watched it push back, taxi out and take off, I couldn't help but think, "cute little airplane."
No doubt there are newer airplanes, but these 762's did their jobs and they did them well. I will miss them.
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:05 am

It is now becoming evident that they won't wear the new scheme.

It would be nice if at least one remains preserved in a museum, at least preserve the nose, cockpit and F Class section of the airplane.

Quoting triple7man (Reply 12):
these 762's did their jobs and they did them well

They sure did. I was introduced to that airplane back in the late 80s when I started college in the United States, at that time it was new. I remember flying on them transatlantic to BRU back in the 90s. After flying JFK-LAX-JFK back and forth a million times, a well deserved retirement is waiting for them.

Quoting triple7man (Reply 12):
I will miss them.

Keep in mind the 763s are still there. I remember when 20 years ago American retired its last 727-100, I said to myself I would miss them but I knew the 727-200s would stay longer, and they did so till the early 2000s.
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:07 am

Quoting triple7man (Reply 12):
I couldn't help but think, "cute little airplane."

Yep, as I spent 2 days consecutively spotting at LAX last month I was thinking the same thing, I was also thinking how it would be the last time I saw them, and how it would be the last time I would be spotting at Proud Bird.
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:43 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 10):
The 762 that AA sent to the desert last week had 104,300 hours on it.

Here's an interesting twist on the AA 762 retirement theme. Will the last revenue flights of each plane be JFK-LAX/SFO and then from there to VCV?
 
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:55 am

Those transcon 767-200's are headed to only one place: the scrapper. They have so many flight hours on them that there is not enough airframe life left to warrant even a conversion to a freighter.
 
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:07 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):
Here's an interesting twist on the AA 762 retirement theme. Will the last revenue flights of each plane be JFK-LAX/SFO and then from there to VCV?

As of right now, it appears the last 762 flight on the SFO route will be an eastbound SFO-JFK AA20 arriving at JFK at 2340 on 3/31/14. By the next day the route is all A321 with a single 763, which also goes away from 6/10/14. The last flight on the LAX route, and the last AA 762 revenue flight overall, appears to be an eastbound LAX-JFK AA30 departing LAX at 2325 on 5/7/14 arriving JFK at 0745 the next morning. So ... long story short ... looks like as of now the last schedule 762-operated flight will terminate at JFK on 5/8/14 and then ferry from there.
 
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RE: What Of AA 762s After Transcon Retirement?

Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:46 am

So as of Jun 11th 2014, both JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO will be all A321.
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