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How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:30 am

As part 1 reached 250 posts, part 2 has been created and is now open for discussion. Kindly stay on topic and please post according to the rules-and regulations of airliners.net.

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How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (by sankaps Sep 17 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:33 am

Picked the wrong moment to make a post on the first thread!  

This is what I said:-

There's no doubt that ,whatever else, the 787 has changed the market for good, by allowing 'long thin routes' with nine-across capacity. And it just passed two key milestones - over 1,000 orders, and over 100 deliveries.

Whatever else happens, it's here to stay..........
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:42 am

as did I -

I mentioned that Air India reliability is now 97% according to the civil aviation minister Ajit Singh.

And to add to that point - JAL is switching 787s to other aircraft for twenty day. Reason: result of engine-related operational issues

Source is http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...4-international-operation-changes/


Tokyo Haneda – Singapore
Boeing 767-300ER replaces 787-8

Tokyo Narita – Beijing
Boeing 787-8 replaces 767-300ER

Tokyo Narita – Delhi
Boeing 777-200ER replaces 787-8

Tokyo Narita – Hanoi
Planned Boeing 787 service from 07JAN14 is delayed until 11JAN14 at the earliest

Tokyo Narita – Singapore
JL719/712 Boeing 767-300ER replaces 787-8
JL711/710 Boeing 767-300ER replaces 787-8

Tokyo Narita – Sydney
Boeing 777-200ER replaces 787-8


The 787 replaces some services to BKK - obviously to allow for fleet flexibility and longer downturns
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:51 am

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 1):
This is what I said:-

There's no doubt that ,whatever else, the 787 has changed the market for good, by allowing 'long thin routes' with nine-across capacity. And it just passed two key milestones - over 1,000 orders, and over 100 deliveries.

Whatever else happens, it's here to stay..........

While I do not beleive that in fact so many routes will be long and thin, even if there will be some for sure, I predict as follows:

The 787 line will be the first wide body airliner reaching the 2000 mark.
The 787-8 will after 2020 have the lowest production rate of all 787 models.

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Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:19 pm

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 3):
The 787 line will be the first wide body airliner reaching the 2000 mark.
The 787-8 will after 2020 have the lowest production rate of all 787 models.

I would not be so sure about the first-the 777 and A350 both have a chance of getting there first; but the odds do favor the 787. And I agree with your second point. It would not surprise me to see the 788 essentially cease sales once the 789 hits its stride.
 
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Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:22 pm

According to GOI, Air India's Dreamliner fleet suffered 136 minor technical problems between their delivery since September last year and till late last month

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...overnment/articleshow/27138194.cms
 
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Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:15 am

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 3):
The 787-8 will after 2020 have the lowest production rate of all 787 models.

Good point, flyglobal - supported by the fact that most of the airlines that have ordered both 8s and 9s have ordered more of the latter:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_deliveries

Interesting too that it's only 'early days' yet for the 787-10 - but three of the firms that have ordered it so far have ordered no less than 30 of them each?

[Edited 2013-12-09 20:33:29]
 
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Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:22 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 2):
Reason: result of engine-related operational issues

What does "engine-related operational issues" mean? Is this related to the directive to avoid flying near thunderstorms?

Again, on a positive note, JAL's 787 landed this morning at SAN at 10:14 a.m after a 10hr flight and was right back in the air on its way back to NRT just two hours later. JAL's 787 to and from SAN are becoming quite reliable!
 
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Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:23 am

The engine related issues is the icing problem on the GE engines.
 
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Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:07 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 7):
What does "engine-related operational issues" mean? Is this related to the directive to avoid flying near thunderstorms?

Yes, though the directive applies only to operators of the 787-8 with GEnx1B engines and the 747-8 family (which is available only with the GEnx2B). 787-8s with RR Trent 1000 engines are unaffected by this directive.
 
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Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:04 am

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 3):
The 787 line will be the first wide body airliner reaching the 2000 mark.

The A350 is three years behind and already at A350 vs. 787: 824 vs. 1012, if the rate of order intake remains stable my money would be on the Airbus.

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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:38 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 10):
if the rate of order intake remains stable my money would be on the Airbus.

Of course that could be right, tommy1808. But it's pretty clear that the A358, with only 89 orders on the books, has very possibly 'missed the Bus' - not because it's not potentially a good aeroplane, just a matter (IMO) of the 788 'flooding the market' before Airbus got its act together. Airbus are apparently actively considering deferring or cancelling the A358 and concentrating on the A359 and A350-10?

"Airbus has signaled that it could drop the A350-800, the smallest member of the new family. Acknowledging that currently “a market is here and we will do it,” product marketing head Sophie Pendaries said that in the past six years demand has “shifted to larger aircraft.” In 2007 industry order backlogs covered almost 1,000 airliners with capacity for 250 passengers (Boeing 787-8s, Airbus A330-200s and A350-800s) but only about 400 aircraft with 300 seats (A330-300s, A350-900s and 787-9s and -10s).

"By last month [October], however, orders for 250-seaters had declined by just over 400 while bookings for 300-passenger designs had grown by more than 660 units. “We took 300 seats as the basis for the A350 and now all airlines want [that number], so it was the right decision,” said Pendaries.'


[Edited 2013-12-10 04:00:34]
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:48 am

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 3):
The 787-8 will after 2020 have the lowest production rate of all 787 models.

If Boeing never had its design and production debacles this would have been the case from inception - see the price of the initial frames - however, to recoup its losses inclusive of all the vendors they had to purchase, compensation ti airlines, additional facilities put in play, Boeing will spread that cost out across all frames and any future a/c built on those purchased facilities.
Unless Airbus finds a way to lower its a/c cost, Boeing will have no incentive to lower the cost or bring it in line with the production cost, Boeing is a for profit private company with no government oversight in terms of pricing, so.....
 
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Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:01 pm

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 11):

Of course that could be right, tommy1808. But it's pretty clear that the A358, with only 89 orders on the books, has very possibly 'missed the Bus' - not because it's not potentially a good aeroplane, just a matter of the 788 'flooding the market' before Airbus got its act together.

How many of those 788 orders would we have seen if the 789 had been "buyable" from day 1? I would assume less compared with the A358/359. While the A359 offers a range advantage over the bigger sister, the 788 doesn´t. Aside of field performance there is not much reason to buy a 788. Also note that the A359 is a good deal bigger than the 788. Please also don´t forget that the A350XWB is the result of Airbus customers not wanting a B788 sized airplane.

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Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:00 pm

Hey guys, can I request something for those of you posting issues regarding the airframe? If the reg is known, please post it. I know some of you have, but I'm keeping track of incidents and it's hard to notice trends without registration numbers. I'm especially looking at JL and NH planes.
 
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Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:10 pm

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 13):
How many of those 788 orders would we have seen if the 789 had been "buyable" from day 1? I would assume less compared with the A358/359. While the A359 offers a range advantage over the bigger sister, the 788 doesn´t. Aside of field performance there is not much reason to buy a 788.

If there wasn't much of a reason to buy the 788, it wouldn't have sold well into the hundreds. Sure, some orders will be converted to the larger model, and some of the 788's success may be attributed to being available first, but there is clearly a market demand for the model sufficient for it to stand by itself. Range isn't the only reason airlines might want the smaller "sister". There's a massive capacity gap in the market between the A321 and the 789, and it's certainly reasonable to think that airlines have routes that need frames having the 788's capacity, no more and no less.

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 13):
Please also don´t forget that the A350XWB is the result of Airbus customers not wanting a B788 sized airplane.

I thought the XWB was a result of customers not wanting the 8 abreast A350 as it was initially proposed.
 
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Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:16 pm

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 15):

If there wasn't much of a reason to buy the 788, it wouldn't have sold well into the hundreds

Yes, there was no 789.

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 15):
and some of the 788's success may be attributed to being available first, but there is clearly a market demand for the model sufficient for it to stand by itself.

Just like B737max-7 and A319neo? Sure, they have their market, but why buy a smaller plane when the trip costs of the bigger are not much different?

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 15):
Range isn't the only reason airlines

So that is why the B762 still sold like fresh bread after the 762ER was available? Except it didn´t. Or the 762ER after the 763ER was available? And that is why the 332 (B788 size) is selling less and less the more the A333 increases its range capabilities (and is still a bestseller)? Or the the 77E after the 77W was available.....
That is the Dreamliner revolution, for the first time airline don´t significantly prefer the larger family member given similar range capabilities.

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 15):

I thought the XWB was a result of customers not wanting the 8 abreast A350 as it was initially proposed.

They didn´t ask for a shorter plane, so obviously they wanted +12.5% capacity. It would be a new one to be like "ok, passengers love the just one seat to the aisle philosophy, but can you make the plane a little less comfortable for us?"......

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Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:56 pm

It seems LOT will get $33 million compensation money from Boeing due to the grounding in the beginning of the year.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...compensation-idUSBRE9BA0FD20131211

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 11):
Of course that could be right, tommy1808. But it's pretty clear that the A358

Whatever the A358 - A359 ratio would be 100 / 500 or 300 / 300, it doesn't change tommy1808's original argument because the end result (the total amount of sales) would be the same.
 
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Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:08 pm

Respectfully to all those posting A350 vs 787 can we keep this thread to how the 787 is performing ? Any news from DY and their birds ?
 
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Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:32 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 17):
t seems LOT will get $33 million compensation money from Boeing due to the grounding in the beginning of the year.

Wow! that's huge compensation.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:41 pm

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 18):
Any news from DY and their birds ?

I haven't noticed any major delays or problems lately. It seems that flights are now operating to the same standard as the HiFly A343s did. E.g. today's flight BKK-ARN was only 1:25 delayed.
 
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Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:50 am

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 18):
Any news from DY and their birds ?

Looks like they ('Norwegian Air Shuttle') are over their problems and doing OK. According to this, at time of posting, they have three aircraft en route - Oslo-New York, Stockholm-New York, and Copenhagen-Ft. Lauderdale.

http://flighttracker.newairplane.com/
 
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Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:10 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 16):
Yes, there was no 789.
Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 13):
How many of those 788 orders would we have seen if the 789 had been "buyable" from day 1?

  The -9 was buyable from day 1. Here is a news story less than 1 month after the 7E7 was officially launched with ANA's order mentioning the -9 version. Here is a news story from before the 7E7's launch that talks about the stretched version. It was just that initial customers were more interested in getting the -8 first.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:13 am

Quoting Polot (Reply 22):
It was just that initial customers were more interested in getting the -8 first.

Or it was the model they could get first (since Boeing's plan was to offer the 787-8 for delivery years before the 787-9).  
 
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Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:16 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
Or it was the model they could get first (since Boeing's plan was to offer the 787-8 for delivery years before the 787-9).

True, but I imagine that plan came about after discussions with potential customers when Boeing was developing the 7E7 concept before launch.
 
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Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:30 am

I think the key issue (which pretty well everyone, including Airbus, under-estimated) was the 'step-change' in performance that Boeing was able to achieve by the use of composites as opposed to Al-Li?

At first it just looked like a competitor to the A330 (which was selling well at the time). And I'm as sure as most other people that Boeing always intended to produce the 787-8 first; basically aimed at the 'gap' between the 737/A320 and the 'next size up' longer-range midsize types being offered at the time by both manufacturers. Very possibly even Boeing under-estimated the much-increased performance that composites would bring.

Airbus suffered most through this phase - the A330 was pretty well a 'best-seller' at the time and Airbus (not unreasonably) thought that an upgraded A330 (the 'original A350' project) would be an adequate response. It was only later that they realised the 'performance gap' that was going to occur; at which point they had to resort to a 'clean sheet' A350 counter using composites. And that decision came too late to stop the 788 selling in large numbers.

The two firms' respective ranges are now 'level-pegging' in most regards - but by that time the 788 had just about completely 'captured' demand in the market sector it was aimed at. It'll be a different story from now on, the 'all-new' A350s are competing well with both the larger 787 types.

I do wonder, though, whether Airbus are making a similar mistake in thinking that a further stretch of the A350 - the 'A350-1100' - will prove to be a sufficient counter to the 777Xs? All the signs are that the 779X will 'wipe out' the B748, and do great harm to the A380's prospects as well? Perhaps Airbus would once again be wise to go for a 'clean sheet' A360 design, instead of a 'double-stretched' A350 which would almost certainly fall short on range compared to the 'next generation' 779s?
 
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Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:32 am

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 25):
I think the key issue (which pretty well everyone, including Airbus, under-estimated) was the 'step-change' in performance that Boeing was able to achieve by the use of composites as opposed to Al-Li?

I think a key issue is that CFRP is only a small (but still relevant) contributor to the "step change" that undoubtedly occurred with the 787.
Engines accounted for the bulk of it

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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:56 pm

Quoting astuteman (Reply 26):
Quoting Nav20 (Reply 25):
I think the key issue (which pretty well everyone, including Airbus, under-estimated) was the 'step-change' in performance that Boeing was able to achieve by the use of composites as opposed to Al-Li?

I think a key issue is that CFRP is only a small (but still relevant) contributor to the "step change" that undoubtedly occurred with the 787.
Engines accounted for the bulk of it

Engines are most of the gain, true, but the airframe/wing does appear to be performing beyond what was expected.

Ex DY CEO said fuel burn was better than expected, and this is with engines that are still off spec. So @ 1 to 2% or thereabouts. A good enough performance that Boeing felt it was OK to keep the same wing for the 789 and 78J.
 
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Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:28 pm

Quoting justloveplanes (Reply 27):
Ex DY CEO said fuel burn was better than expected, and this is with engines that are still off spec. So @ 1 to 2% or thereabouts. A good enough performance that Boeing felt it was OK to keep the same wing for the 789 and 78J

Wouldn't even think of denying it, my friend. That's aerodynamics talking

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Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:03 am

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 25):
I think the key issue (which pretty well everyone, including Airbus, under-estimated) was the 'step-change' in performance that Boeing was able to achieve by the use of composites as opposed to Al-Li?

Modern AL alloys can compete with carbon fiber, there is still R&D ongoing. Most of the advantage will come from the engines alone.

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 25):
, instead of a 'double-stretched' A350 which would almost certainly fall short on range compared to the 'next generation' 779s?

Sure it would have shorter range, which would not matter to the bulk of airlines, but be significantly lighter because of it, which would matter to all airlines that don´t need the range. As long the A350-1100 could fly most missions, i would figure those are below 6000nm, it would be B77W vs. A346 with opposite signs with the Boeing product having superior payload range, but the airbus being able to fly most of its missions more economical.

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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:32 pm

Air India completed software on its first frame on Saturday (VT-ANJ) and it immediately when tech...
Cracked windshield on the ferry flight from Mumbai to Delhi followed by a "badly damaged landing gear door by a foreign object" prior to first commercial flight to Frankfurt...
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...r-cracks/articleshow/27376296.cms?
A
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:09 pm

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 25):
I do wonder, though, whether Airbus are making a similar mistake in thinking that a further stretch of the A350 - the 'A350-1100' - will prove to be a sufficient counter to the 777Xs? All the signs are that the 779X will 'wipe out' the B748, and do great harm to the A380's prospects as well? Perhaps Airbus would once again be wise to go for a 'clean sheet' A360 design, instead of a 'double-stretched' A350 which would almost certainly fall short on range compared to the 'next generation' 779s?

The 787-10 is exactly what you described: a double stretch with reduced range. Yet you adore the product, but a similar A350 will fail?

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 30):
Air India completed software on its first frame on Saturday (VT-ANJ) and it immediately when tech...
Cracked windshield

Well that's bad luck. Luckily it's not related to the software update.
 
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Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:42 pm

DY7001 is currently scheduled as 6:30 delayed OSL-JFK. It was supposed to leave at 18:00, but right now (21:38), the OSL web site has an estimated departure at 00:30.

I read a Facebook post from an aquaintance on that flight, and she wrote that it's delayed due to techincal problems, and they're awaiting a replacement plane from Stockholm.

The former "lemon," EI-LNB, is currently flying ARN-FLL, so it's either LNA or LNC today.
 
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Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:13 pm

Seems like a lot of cracked windshields. Is this the big window, 4 panel design at fault?

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Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:25 pm

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 21):
Looks like they ('Norwegian Air Shuttle') are over their problems and doing OK. According to this, at time of posting, they have three aircraft en route - Oslo-New York, Stockholm-New York, and Copenhagen-Ft. Lauderdale.

Are you sure that one data point is enough to prove your claim?
 
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Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:28 pm

Quoting justloveplanes (Reply 33):
Seems like a lot of cracked windshields. Is this the big window, 4 panel design at fault?

Rather that they are curved, this is something new for the thick front wingshields, they used to be plane as they have to be very sturdy to withstand bird strikes AFAIK. A350 is following, let't see if they have the same problems.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:10 pm

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 11):
Of course that could be right, tommy1808. But it's pretty clear that the A358, with only 89 orders on the books, has very possibly 'missed the Bus' - not because it's not potentially a good aeroplane, just a matter (IMO) of the 788 'flooding the market' before Airbus got its act together. Airbus are apparently actively considering deferring or cancelling the A358 and concentrating on the A359 and A350-10?

So what? It doesn't change the point.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:37 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
The 787-10 is exactly what you described: a double stretch with reduced range. Yet you adore the product, but a similar A350 will fail?

As I said in my post, KarelXWB, we're still at the 'wait and see' stage with the 787-10. No question of 'adoration'....   Some key airlines are placing quite large orders, but nowhere near enough yet to make the thing a commercial success.

In any case I wasn't 'knocking' the A350. I was just saying that, IMO, Airbus should recognise the 'next generation' 777 for what it is - another 'game-changer,' a long-range big twin that will carry more than 400 passengers, thus putting the B748 (and very probably the A380) out of business. And should not therefore seek to counter it with a 'half-measure' like some sort of 'A350-1100' but should design and produce a new-design long-range 400-seater twin of their own?

Really don't see why that suggestion is treated with so much hostility?

[Edited 2013-12-16 03:43:26]
 
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Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:25 pm

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 37):
As I said in my post, KarelXWB, we're still at the 'wait and see' stage with the 787-10. No question of 'adoration'.... Some key airlines are placing quite large orders, but nowhere near enough yet to make the thing a commercial success.

In any case I wasn't 'knocking' the A350. I was just saying that, IMO, Airbus should recognise the 'next generation' 777 for what it is - another 'game-changer,' a long-range big twin that will carry more than 400 passengers, thus putting the B748 (and very probably the A380) out of business. And should not therefore seek to counter it with a 'half-measure' like some sort of 'A350-1100' but should design and produce a new-design long-range 400-seater twin of their own?

The engineering design for 787-7 predicted a certain level of performance, that has been met. They didn't need to build it to already know how well it would perform, they can use real and computer models to predict performance pretty these days. That was why there were so many orders for it before it was even flying.

Airbus, as it turns out, would have probably done well with the simple A350 since it would have been a cheaper, and in hindsight, much simpler and reliable product. Leahy even expects to sell the A330 for several more years yet, Airbus has had to increase it's production rate because it is still a popular plane.

The A350XWB hasn't missed out, it already has orders that a not that far below the 787.

The 777 X will have mostly the same Al body, so it won't be a completely new plane like the 787, but it has already established itself as a product that is going to sell well.

In the end, both companies have products that are good, will sell well, and make a profit. Not everything works, but hasn't that always been the case. As with all such hi-tech products, the market never stands still, both companies are always researching new products and concepts.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:15 pm

Quoting RedChili (Reply 32):
DY7001 is currently scheduled as 6:30 delayed OSL-JFK. It was supposed to leave at 18:00, but right now (21:38), the OSL web site has an estimated departure at 00:30.

An update from VG in Norwegian: http://www.vg.no/reise/artikkel.php?artid=10141497

The flight was delayed due to tehcnical reasons (on EI-LNC), but the DY spokesman doesn't know exactly what the problem was. DY was planning to ferry another plane from ARN (apparently EI-LNA), but didn't do it because of crew rest problems. The flight instead finally left 16 hours late.

The return flight is also 16 hours late, and apparently also the OSL-BKK flight which was due to leave later today, etc.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:11 pm

DY7206 BKK-ARN is more than 12 hours delayed into ARN. Scheduled arrival is 14:55, but the web site lists ETA as 03:20. I believe it's operated by an A332.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:16 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 30):
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...r-cracks/articleshow/27376296.cms?
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"In the latest incident, the aircraft (VT-ANJ) also had a badly damaged landing gear door. The damage was discovered when the aircraft was being prepared for a flight to Frankfurt."

Amazingly, this piece of information only received one line in the article. That they happened together raises lots of questions.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:40 pm

I believe BA's have possibly the worst dispatch reliability of any type within the airline.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:00 pm

Quoting ferpe (Reply 35):

I wondered to which regard they are more curved than the windshields of a 747? maybe the 747 front windshields are smaller.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:03 pm

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 42):
I believe BA's have possibly the worst dispatch reliability of any type within the airline.

That can probably be said of any airline that is flying 787's.

On a brighter note, JAL has flown about 340 flights in the last 17 days without an "issue" and again based on the problems JAL and ANA are having it looks like most will be cured with the software upgrade that's coming.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:32 pm

Some good news as well is AI's dispatch rate has improved for the 787 ... While still needing improvement it has increased substantially this year:

Q1 13 - 94.42
Q2 13 - 95.94
Q3 13 - 97.15
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:58 pm

Heard on the grapevine of just a 14% dispatch rate at BA.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:06 pm

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 46):
Heard on the grapevine of just a 14% dispatch rate at BA.

You heard wrong.
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:22 pm

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 46):
Heard on the grapevine of just a 14% dispatch rate at BA.

What does dispatch rate mean to you? It is not a standard term.
BA B787 is going quite well at present, but there are four aircraft in service and only 3 departures a day from LHR.
Last week there were two B787 technical delays on the network. (In BA a delay is counted at 1 minute late).
 
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RE: How Has The 787 Been Performing Lately? (Part 2)

Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:32 pm

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 46):
Heard on the grapevine of just a 14% dispatch rate at BA

If that were remotely close to true, BA would have sued Boeing by now, or at least publicly demanded major compensation.

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