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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:10 pm

Hello Knoxibus
You mean the last scheduled flight before FAL christmas holidays ?

Or something broken ?
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:19 pm

Quoting starbucks (Reply 43):
AIB11WB took off at 6:58UTC and is now flying somewhere out of FR24 coverage

landed in Chateauroux around 07:35 UTC
and take off again around 10:45 UTC
UTC.

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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:03 pm

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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:03 am

AIB14WB is on final approach for Istres. Can't really tell the T/O time?
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:59 am

Quoting jeppelainen (Reply 53):
AIB14WB is on final approach for Istres. Can't really tell the T/O time?

Seems to have been doing several circuits there.

AIB14WB takeoff in Toulouse a 06:33 UTC.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:15 am

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 54):
Seems to have been doing several circuits there.

Is Istres the expected airfeild for crosswind tests?
They were taking off rwy 33 and landing rwy 15 after some sort of teardrop procedure.
Fits the current wind of 09008KT
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:47 pm

Quoting jeppelainen (Reply 55):
Fits the current wind of 09008KT

For the crosswind limit tests they will need more than 8 knots... More like 38. I think KEF gets a fair few of the crosswind tests...
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:03 pm

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 56):
For the crosswind limit tests they will need more than 8 knots... More like 38. I think KEF gets a fair few of the crosswind tests...

Well, sure, but 8 knots is not an issue IF doing familiarisation training before later tests? Hence the question if Istres will be used...
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:45 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 54):
AIB14WB takeoff in Toulouse a 06:33 UTC.

AIB15WB is now in the air, not sure when AIB14WB landed.

http://fr24.com/AIB15WB
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:50 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 58):
AIB15WB is now in the air, not sure when AIB14WB landed.

So GiGi is off getting a christmas manicure but WideBoy is still putting in the hours, typical  
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:54 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 58):

AIB15WB is now in the air, not sure when AIB14WB landed.

http://fr24.com/AIB15WB

Is planned to fly LFBO-LFLX-LFRB-LFBO as AIB15WB.
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:56 pm

Quoting jeppelainen (Reply 55):
Is Istres the expected airfeild for crosswind tests?

No

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 56):
For the crosswind limit tests they will need more than 8 knots... More like 38. I think KEF gets a fair few of the crosswind tests...

And even more, they were testing the A380 up that way with crosswind over 50kt. A lot of aircraft these days have maximum demonstrated values, and no real limit on crosswind.
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:58 pm

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 60):
Is planned to fly LFBO-LFLX-LFRB-LFBO as AIB15WB.

Interesting, thanks. MSN1 is currently descending into Chateauroux.
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:16 pm

Some photos of AIB15WB ! and some close up  http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7423/11436499845_e5a6ca90de_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7408/11436500205_c673fd7f23_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7321/11436572136_b6544b5352_c.jpg


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2889/11436665833_1182746244_c.jpg





http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5475/11436530064_f5c6f03f34_c.jpg

He does a very long and low take off.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:26 pm

Do they still have tufting on the wing - second to last photo? Perhaps it is just the marks left after the tufting was removed!
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:32 pm

Quoting bycac (Reply 63):
He does a very long and low take off.

I noticed that too on radar Toulouse.... 5/600 fpm climb, maybe (S)EFATO

I also notice the tailskid is installed again, makes you wonder what they're doing at Chateauroux....
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:35 pm

AIB15WB just departed from Chateauroux.
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:50 pm

Here's another close-up of MSN1's rear:


Airbus A350-941 msn 001 by dn280tls, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:54 pm

F-WXWB the sneaky raccoon took of from Toulouse as AIB14WB at 06:33 and landed in Istres at 07:05.
It did some circuits and flew back as FWXWB and landed at Toulouse at 08:35.
It took off from Toulouse at 14:20 as AIB15WB and landed at Chateauroux about 15:05.
Departed from Chateauroux about 16:32 and landed at Toulouse at 18:37.
Took off again and landed at 19:12. all UTC.


There are other test flights from Airbus seems to be using FW....
The cloaking and decloaking is done by transponder code switching.

[Edited 2013-12-18 13:57:20]
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:59 pm

Excellent, thanks mjoelnir   

So there was no AIB12WB and AIB13WB callsign ...
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:34 am

Quoting StTim (Reply 64):
Do they still have tufting on the wing - second to last photo? Perhaps it is just the marks left after the tufting was removed!

The tufting is there and used during the icing trials, they want to know how the changed shape of the leading edges affect the flow of the wing, espcially the separation of the boundury layer further back and low speed. Guess it was left on very much for these trials.
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:32 am

Is WiBi somewhere on the move? I have not seen anything up to now.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:50 am

Ho many flight in total have been done until today?
Just wondering...
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:56 am

Some videos of MSN 1 at Chateauroux:

http://youtu.be/B_K0brhse7U

http://youtu.be/W-8lkbLZ-Is

Quoting bycac (Reply 63):

Awesome photos Clement! Loved the close up of the winglet  
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:14 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 73):
Some videos of MSN 1 at Chateauroux:

The first video .. the sound of those engines is amazing.
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:36 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 73):
Some videos of MSN 1 at Chateauroux:

Great videos, thanks for sharing!  
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:50 am

Quoting rheinwaldner (Reply 72):
Ho many flight in total have been done until today?
Just wondering...

WiBi 115 and GiGi 44 I think, 159 together.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:53 am

Quoting rheinwaldner (Reply 72):
Ho many flight in total have been done until today?

> MSN1: 115 flights
> MSN3: 44 flights

Total: 159 flights

[Edited 2013-12-19 02:59:12]
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:02 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 77):

Thanks a lot!
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:03 am

Quoting rheinwaldner (Reply 72):

Check the link in my signature  
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:05 pm

Could this possibly affect the certification timeline?

"FAA concerned about interconnectvity of electronic systems on Airbus A350-900 airplanes"

http://www.gsnmagazine.com/article/3...out_interconnectvity_electronic_sy



The FAA document itself seems to suggest a normal process of dealing with a specific concern...

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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:13 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 80):
Could this possibly affect the certification timeline?

I doubt it, a similar concern did not affect the 787:

http://www.wired.com/politics/securi...y/news/2008/01/dreamliner_security
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:35 pm

Those videos were not from yesterday's flight were they? I see no sign of the tail skid in them?

Edit: Should say though still good to see

[Edited 2013-12-19 07:35:46]
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:08 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 40):
Photographer Zaninger Jonathan made a cockpit picture of MSN1, today at Chateauroux:

Two more pictures of Zaninger have reached the database:


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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:11 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 83):
Two more pictures of Zaninger have reached the database:

... and they reveal the type of work WiBi was doing at Chateaurux-Déols : acquiring data on simulated icing of the leading edge flaps... approach and takeoff conditions.
*...and why CHR ? because it sees very little traffic nowadays and is one of the preferred places for doing training (AF does it a lot ) and circuits : she had the place basically all to herself.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 74):
the sound of those engines is amazing.

It shows as well that they've reached a great deal of confidence in the engine behaviour : their handling at takeoff is pure Airbus care-free / almost brutal thrust setting : first one hears the acceleration to the equivalent 50 % N1, then a rapid rise to takeoff thrust - whether TOGA or Flex is unknown of course.

A nice Xmas present, guys.

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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:53 pm

I just noticed on the second video (the night flights) that it looks like the A350 has spotlights under the wings pointed towards the main landing gears. You can see it from the 1:38 to 1:52 mark in the video. Are those really lights or are my eyes deceiving me?

If so, I presume that is to aid in nighttime pre-flight inspections or maintenance? Nice touch by Airbus.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:56 pm

Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 85):
Are those really lights or are my eyes deceiving me?

Your eyes aren't deceiving you, the 77W (at KLM) have them too, they light the Main Landing Gear area for the taxi camera's during night OPS...  
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:34 am

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 73):
Some videos of MSN 1 at Chateauroux:

What's going on with the oil drain masts (I think that's what those are) on the bottom of the nacelles at 3:00 in the second video, at night? I've never noticed all that smoke before.

I love the RR sound in the first video.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:24 am

Quoting Pihero (Reply 84):
... and they reveal the type of work WiBi was doing at Chateaurux-Déols : acquiring data on simulated icing of the leading edge flaps... approach and takeoff conditions.
*...and why CHR ? because it sees very little traffic nowadays and is one of the preferred places for doing training (AF does it a lot ) and circuits : she had the place basically all to herself.

I think the A350XWB was using Chateauroux to practice runway turns with asymetric thrust to pull her round, nose wheel steering to 90 degrees makes for tight turns. TLS is probably too busy to allow taxi down an active runway and turn at the end..
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:45 am

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 87):

I saw the same smoke on the very first engine run of MSN 1 months ago, don't know what the reason is though.
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Fri Dec 27, 2013 5:55 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 88):
I think the A350XWB was using Chateauroux to practice runway turns with asymetric thrust to pull her round

My theory is that the A350XWB was making runway turns with asymmetric thrust to pull her round because they happened to be using Chateauroux, where there is no suitable taxiway (podunk airports are nice, but you get what you get...)
 
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:44 am

Quoting Pugman211 (Reply 89):
I saw the same smoke on the very first engine run of MSN 1 months ago, don't know what the reason is though.

Yup noticed it a long time back, it seems to be a 'feature', no idea what its for but the smoke does not seem to be oily in nature..

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 90):
My theory is that the A350XWB was making runway turns with asymmetric thrust to pull her round because they happened to be using Chateauroux, where there is no suitable taxiway (podunk airports are nice, but you get what you get...)

Maybe, but you have to write up procedures like asymmetric thrust turns so you take time to go somewhere preferably close to base where you can run the proceedure multiple times at a range of settings without interuption and that seemed to be what they were doing that day.

Turning an A340-600 was an ordeal whch made it unsuitable for some airports I believe, looks like Airbus listened to customers..
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:50 am

Quoting Pugman211 (Reply 89):
I saw the same smoke on the very first engine run of MSN 1 months ago, don't know what the reason is though.
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 91):
Yup noticed it a long time back, it seems to be a 'feature', no idea what its for but the smoke does not seem to be oily in nature..

I have no idea but I noticed it before on a BA 787:


G-ZBJA British Airways Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner by jaspertv, on Flickr

Rolls-Royce feature?

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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:10 am

Wing view:

http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/416509318734020608

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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Fri Dec 27, 2013 1:05 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 92):
Rolls-Royce feature?

I was led to believe it is a steam vent... In my time in the tower I have seen it often....
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:13 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 80):
http://www.gsnmagazine.com/article/3...out_interconnectvity_electronic_sy


That FAA document lists the A350-900 MTOW at 602,000 lbs.? The most recent ACAP (1 June 2013) lists it at 590,839 lbs., anyone where this 11k+ lbs? difference came from?
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:21 pm

@mffoda link is not working.

First time I hear about this, perhaps the MTOW was slightly increased to compensate for the overweight.
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:31 pm

@KarelXWB

The link in reply 80 from member ap305 does... I just copy/pasted it?
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:33 pm

Quoting mffoda (Reply 97):
I just copy/pasted it?

I already see what happened, the forum software has demolished the url in the quote section.
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RE: A350 Test Flight Official Thread Part 10

Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:10 pm

Quoting mffoda (Reply 95):
That FAA document lists the A350-900 MTOW at 602,000 lbs.? The most recent ACAP (1 June 2013) lists it at 590,839 lbs., anyone where this 11k+ lbs? difference came from?

Airbus can certify it at a high weight for growth if they want to but restrict customers to another lower MTOW, they did the same for the A380 where the RTO test was done at 575t? from memory but it went into PAX service with a MTOW of 540t.
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