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Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:04 pm

Is there a sensible, practical, economic and profitable option for utilising these in their long parked periods during the day?

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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:17 pm

No

Almost all airlines flying to JNB do the same to offer night flights back home, red eyes both legs, that is done to attract hight yield pax that have been working during the whole day and go back or that are going to Europe to work and they can arrive early in the morning to work in Europe.

At JNB is was easy to see AF, LH A380, VS and IB A340, 2 BA 747, Swiss... at least a few years ago... last time I went I saw AF, LH A380 parked close to the area in front of Protea hotel and VS and BA in the other remote area.

Not only in JNB airlines do this, but also in GRU, EZE, JNB, LAD, GIG... Sometimes even the same crew is able to do both flights (LAD because of safety and because low freqs are only allow to most airlines).
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:28 pm

Even more reason for BA to replace those 2 x 744 with 1 x 388!
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:30 pm

Quoting richardw (Thread starter):

Is there a sensible practical option for utilising these during their long parked periods during the day?

South Africa - Northern Europe being similar longitude the flight time and Heathrow slot restrictions preclude much else.
When operated day flights also seem unpopular with customers in these routes.

As for Qantas for Heathrow well they could turn round and depart South East again around 12.00-13.00 hrs if the wanted (and they still have those slots though leased out !)

In theory and it was discussed as part of the JV years ago -BA/QF could have entered a wet lease agreement and perhaps frame exchange.
Something along the lines of the Air New Zealand arrangements in the 70s.

That could have seen QF frames operate under BA flight numbers with BA cabin crew and vice versa .LHR/JFK/LAX or even now DFW !
In each direction as round the world. Perhaps one could envisage BA fly west and QF flying eastwards

A further consideration for QF hows about reinstating the Manchester extension and say a Dublin rotation and getting those frames out of LHR and parked more cheaply whilst providing additional revenue then ?

You know just as there competitor/partner - EK does on the southern end -Auckland with three 388s local midday !

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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:36 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 3):

In theory and it was discussed as part of the JV years ago -BA/QF could have entered a wet lease agreement and perhaps frame exchange.

I seem to recall BA doing just this - a quick return using a QF 744 LHR / IST or was it ATH?

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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:46 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 1):
Almost all airlines flying to JNB do the same to offer night flights back home, red eyes both legs, that is done to attract hight yield pax that have been working during the whole day and go back or that are going to Europe to work and they can arrive early in the morning to work in Europe.

I know this is given wisdom especially on these forums - But its BS.

After a 12/14 hour flight I am NOT going straight to work !

Same applies TALC
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:46 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 4):
I seem to recall BA doing just this - a quick return using a QF 744 LHR / IST or was it ATH?

No they weren't BA, it was Qantas doing charters in the summer, mainly for cruise ships.
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:48 pm

Quoting richardw (Thread starter):
Is there a sensible, practical, economic and profitable option for utilising these in their long parked periods during the day?

With the QF/EK partnership, conceivably QF could replace one of EK's flights and operate JNB-DXB-JNB.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:01 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 5):
Quoting migair54 (Reply 1):Almost all airlines flying to JNB do the same to offer night flights back home, red eyes both legs, that is done to attract hight yield pax that have been working during the whole day and go back or that are going to Europe to work and they can arrive early in the morning to work in Europe.

I know this is given wisdom especially on these forums - But its BS.

After a 12/14 hour flight I am NOT going straight to work !

Same applies TALC

I think what they're referring to is people leaving work and catching a flight home - at then end of a business trip, not a one day turnaround.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:05 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 2):
Even more reason for BA to replace those 2 x 744 with 1 x 388!

It's going to be one 380 and 744 I think. There is a seasonal 772 (in addition to the 744) I think which could get canned.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 5):
I know this is given wisdom especially on these forums - But its BS.

After a 12/14 hour flight I am NOT going straight to work !

As a South African, I know many people who do this. I do it and I fly in the back of the plane. Rather recover on work time than my own. Maximum leave utilisation. Land at 6:30 at Heathrow, quick shower at home, work by 9.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:07 pm

Quoting richardw (Thread starter):
Is there a sensible, practical, economic and profitable option for utilising these in their long parked periods during the day?

How about BA's South African affiliate 'Comair' using it on a ACC/ LOS/ NBO rotation ?
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:19 pm

Quoting imag (Reply 9):
As a South African, I know many people who do this. I do it and I fly in the back of the plane. Rather recover on work time than my own. Maximum leave utilisation. Land at 6:30 at Heathrow, quick shower at home, work by 9.

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Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:22 pm

Isn't there also an issue that JNB is a hot and high airport - which explains why all the long haul flights take off in the cooler evening?

I was stuck at JNB during the ash cloud incident. The number and value of large jets hanging around there was astounding.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:34 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 5):
I know this is given wisdom especially on these forums - But its BS.

True but daytime South Africa flights have been tried repeatedly and seem to not measure up to the current situation. Needs must!

Quoting SelseyBill (Reply 10):
How about BA's South African affiliate 'Comair' using it on a ACC/ LOS/ NBO rotation ?

Not likely, really, really not likely.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:42 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 13):
True but daytime South Africa flights have been tried repeatedly and seem to not measure up to the current situation. Needs must!

Yes i know this - and all because some people won't spend £100 on a room !

Same on the atlantic once had the fortune to fly a day flight YYZ-LHR landed good nights sleep in own bed .ZERO jet lag never bettered !
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:22 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 14):

JNBLHR is not the same as YYZLHR. One is 7 hours with a 5 hour time change the other is 11 hours with a one or two hour time change. JNBLHR allows dinner and a + - 8 hour sleep certainly in F and J.

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 2):

One A380 only has 14F and 97 J whereas 2 x 744 has 28 F and 140 J that is why it will be 1 x 380 and 1 x 744.
The point is that overnight flights and the F & J availability are what the route is all about and always has been.
I know for a fact the many business people get a good nights sleep and then go into the office from the flight or after they have gone home to freshen up. Done it myself many times it's easy with 1 or 2 hours time change and 8 hours sleep.
It's not about the cost of the hotel room for these customers it's spending 11 daylight hours doing very little.
The daylight flight is not popular with tourists partly because of the additional cost of hotel accommodation and also the lack of connections.

I flew CPTLHR once on a daylight flight in J - one of the longest 12 hours I have had, never again. Anyway those flights were also dropped in favour of overnight flights.
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:36 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 12):
Isn't there also an issue that JNB is a hot and high airport - which explains why all the long haul flights take off in the cooler evening?

I was stuck at JNB during the ash cloud incident. The number and value of large jets hanging around there was astounding.

It can affect a bit but the curfew in many european airports is affecting more, Actually South African flights are the first ones to land at LHR.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 5):
I know this is given wisdom especially on these forums - But its BS.

After a 12/14 hour flight I am NOT going straight to work !

You´d be surprise to know how many people do this, specially people flying on Business and First.
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:49 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 5):
I know this is given wisdom especially on these forums - But its BS.
After a 12/14 hour flight I am NOT going straight to work !

It is not BS. It's a fact.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 16):
You´d be surprise to know how many people do this, specially people flying on Business and First.

Just about everyone who travels for work does this. That is why J class these days is as good as F class. The flat beds in J are essential for this specific reason.

One route that myself and other co-workers do often is BOS-LHR-BLR. The vast majority prefers the BA flight which arrives in BLR early morning as opposed to the AF flight which arrives in BLR late at night. We sleep on the LHR-BLR flight, go to the hotel, take a shower, then go to the office. With the AF flight which arrives late at night, the theory is that you could get a full night of sleep after arriving but there's a big problem with that. It's called jet lag. When you get to the hotel late at night you're wide awake and can sleep a thing. The next day at the office it feels like I've been run over by a truck. It does not work.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:54 pm

For about a year I did the straight from the plane to work - going to JNB and returning. This was whilst sitting in the back of the plane and i am not a small fellah!! It can be done. It maximises work time and means less travel in my time.
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:59 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 14):
Same on the atlantic once had the fortune to fly a day flight YYZ-LHR landed good nights sleep in own bed .ZERO jet lag never bettered !

Oh I agree, the daylight eastbound is a thing of tranquil beauty, chasing the sun with a good book getting fed and going home, ending with sunset over London and into Heathrow and home to bed.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:57 pm

Curfews and pax demand are both drivers in LH aircraft utilisation. For example most Australian flights land in LAX in the morning but do not depart until late in the evening. This is because pax demand is better for these end of day flights that basically operate throughout a long night meaning pax arrive in Australia relatively refreshed despite the 13 hour flight and go straight to work if necessary.

There is no point departing muich earlier as the flights would arrive in MEL or BNE at the unseemly hour of 2AM and SYD's curfew is not lifted until 6AM.

Obviously parking the planes for 12 hours in LAX is a significant cost which VA and QF have partly alleviated by setting up significant light maintenance capability so planes are serviced there despite being away from their home bases. QF also gets a bit more utilisation out of the 744 from BNE by doing the LAX-JFK-LAX service though it is arguable that the744 is too big for this service and the A332 used when the AKL-LAX service existed was the better sized plane.
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:11 pm

Shame that BA don't get a deep clean done of each aircraft at JNB while on the ground. They could then rotate the frames through JNB.

Cant see the aircraft being used for anything while on the ground as that would require extra crew to be down route, likewise Comair couldn't "use" them as they would still need to be crewed by BA as Comair crews aren't type trained on the 744/772a/A380.


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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:55 pm

I've thought about this long and hard as I posed a similar question several years ago on the forum and got a reply to the effect, it's O&D. I wasn't entirely convinced by this answer.

In part, there is part of the explanation, but the answer is this (to my mind) is also to do with operating conditions. JNB is several hundred feet above sea level, some 300ft plus. Therefore during the day, the air is less dense, etc, so aircraft operating long haul to say LHR, require a very long runway, or a reduced pax/frieght to compensate. Therefore, the best time to operate is the evening, to maximise payload, etc, and for connecting flights.

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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:02 am

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 5):
Quoting migair54 (Reply 1):
Almost all airlines flying to JNB do the same to offer night flights back home, red eyes both legs, that is done to attract hight yield pax that have been working during the whole day and go back or that are going to Europe to work and they can arrive early in the morning to work in Europe.

I know this is given wisdom especially on these forums - But its BS.

After a 12/14 hour flight I am NOT going straight to work !

Same applies TALC
Quoting airbazar (Reply 17):
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 5):
I know this is given wisdom especially on these forums - But its BS.
After a 12/14 hour flight I am NOT going straight to work !

It is not BS. It's a fact.

I agree. If you want to work as soon as you get in, bully for you, but I am no good no matter how well I sleep on the flight but I always wait to the second day after my arrival to get to work. I am not really any good after flying across 10 time zones and then trying to put together two thoughts that are constructive and productive or I may as well as kiss my clients good bye.
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:09 am

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 22):
the answer is this (to my mind) is also to do with operating conditions. JNB is several hundred feet above sea level, some 300ft plus. Therefore during the day, the air is less dense, etc, so aircraft operating long haul to say LHR, require a very long runway, or a reduced pax/frieght to compensate. Therefore, the best time to operate is the evening, to maximise payload, etc, and for connecting flights.

You are correct regarding the DL JNB-ATL flight as the 77L is tire speed limited out of JNB.

However, CX to HKG (1230 hrs) and SQ to SIN (1335 hrs) take off in the afternoon.

The QF 744 to SYD departs @1750, complete with an insanely long take off roll and slow climb out. She really struggles to gain altitude. Which kind of proves your point.
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:25 am

Quoting swallow (Reply 24):
However, CX to HKG (1230 hrs) and SQ to SIN (1335 hrs) take off in the afternoon.

The CX flights can be limited ... I think that the A340-600 operated with the lowest restrictions. I was on a flight that was operated by an A343 JNB-HKG -- summer flight and a hot day -- where we had to schedule a fill-up stop on SIN because the flight was weight restricted. The flight crew told us before we pushed back that we would have the stop because "we couldn't get enough fuel on board" to make it all the way to HKG.

I've also had a time or two when we've been told that the engines need to run for 10 minutes or so to "warm up" -- although I suspect that the time was to burn off excess fuel.

The CX A343, 77W and 744 all have long take-off rolls from JNB in the summer.
 
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:47 am

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 2):
Even more reason for BA to replace those 2 x 744 with 1 x 388!

Now that the 744's are depreciated, it might not cost BA as much to leave two 744s parked for 12 hrs as parking an A380 for 12 hrs.

Also, flying all night and immediately going to a meeting? I do it all the time. In fact, I just flew IAD-BRU in economy, and on the day of arrival, I had meetings in Antwerp and Paris, and then flew to Nuremberg before my head hit the pillow. Such is the life of a business traveler.
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:56 am

Quoting StTim (Reply 12):
Isn't there also an issue that JNB is a hot and high airport - which explains why all the long haul flights take off in the cooler evening?

JNB is high but not that hot. Average daytime summer temperatures are ~28 C .The big 4-holers are not affected to the same extent as the 2-holers. A 569t A380 with a 55t payload for ~6000nm sector would need 12900 ft of runway on a 28C day
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:01 am

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 25):
The CX flights can be limited

Interesting!

Would you know why they depart @1335 instead of waiting for the evening? Connections? Aircraft utilization?
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:09 am

Quoting swallow (Reply 28):
Would you know why they depart @1335 instead of waiting for the evening? Connections? Aircraft utilization?

I would imagine it's a whole combination of factors. The 13:30 departure ex-JNB gets into HKG at around 7 AM. This facilitates a whole work day for anyone who's stopping in HKG. It also allows easy connections to the rest of Asia -- although with CX's Asian network I'm not sure this will be a huge factor.

However, the early arrival also allows for connections to Australia and New Zealand -- and I've met a lot of people who make those connections!

Both flights are effectively overnight flights -- HKG - JNB departs at 23:45 and arrives around 06:30, the return departs 13:35 and arrives 07:00-ish.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:44 am

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 5):
I know this is given wisdom especially on these forums - But its BS.

After a 12/14 hour flight I am NOT going straight to work !

I do it every time flying RNO-LAX-AKL and AKL-LAX-RNO if I can get an early connection to RNO.

I can sleep for a solid 8 hours in NZ business class. I just shave, shower and change and I'm good to go. Sometimes I shave on the plane, and since I don't wear my street clothes during the flight I sometimes skip the shower and change part if I'll just be in the office a few hours.

What makes this possible is that a large part of my travel is north-south or south-north, thus little time change. This time of year RNO and AKL are just 3 hours apart. In the northern summer it is 5 hours. Piece of cake.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:12 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 16):
You´d be surprise to know how many people do this, specially people flying on Business and First.

Agreed. Whenever I do business trips myself I would rather get home as quickly as possible. A flat bed and some food is all I need. I can see a foreign city in my own time and my own pace some other time.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 11):
You arrive in my company office in a unfit state mentally - I am sending you home without pay !

Not having to put you up in a fancy hotel for one night is more on most company's mind. They want you back in the office as soon as poss, not galavanting around J'Burg on holiday. They save on taxi fares and food bills and out of town expenses.

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 2):
Even more reason for BA to replace those 2 x 744 with 1 x 388!

I'm all for efficiency and practicality. Your suggestion is a good one.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:56 am

Quoting babybus (Reply 31):
Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 2):
Even more reason for BA to replace those 2 x 744 with 1 x 388!

I'm all for efficiency and practicality. Your suggestion is a good one.

It isn't because it doesn't give you enough premium seats 1x 388 gives you 14F and 97J whereas 2 x 744 gives you 28F 140J.
It is all about the high yield traffic that is the main reason why the aircraft spend the day in JNB.
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:09 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19):
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 14):Same on the atlantic once had the fortune to fly a day flight LHR landed good nights sleep in own bed .ZERO jet lag never bettered !
Oh I agree, the daylight eastbound is a thing of tranquil beauty, chasing the sun with a good book getting fed and going home, ending with sunset over London and into Heathrow and home to bed.

That's fine if you live there but a high percentage of passengers would have to pay for one more night's hotel accommodation as well as wasting a complete work (or vacation) day.

[Edited 2013-12-19 07:10:03]
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:05 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 23):
I agree. If you want to work as soon as you get in, bully for you, but I am no good no matter how well I sleep on the flight but I always wait to the second day after my arrival to get to work. I am not really any good after flying across 10 time zones and then trying to put together two thoughts that are constructive and productive or I may as well as kiss my clients good bye

So just how many time zones are there between JNB and LHR . . . ?
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:41 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 34):
So just how many time zones are there between JNB and LHR . . . ?

The same as between HEL and LHR!
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:52 pm

So could a QF A380 operate a shortish fat route for BA during the day from LHR?
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:41 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 34):
So just how many time zones are there between JNB and LHR . . . ?

South Africa doesn't have day light savings, so it's either one or two hours difference, depending on the season.
 
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:27 pm

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 22):
JNB is several hundred feet above sea level, some 300ft plus.

Try 5,558ft....
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:16 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 33):
That's fine if you live there but a high percentage of passengers would have to pay for one more night's hotel accommodation as well as wasting a complete work (or vacation) day.

Yeah that's not really gonna break the bank is it? People do it every day. An eastbound red eye is a god awful end to a US trip in economy. The times are predicated around business people straight heading into work.

Quoting richardw (Reply 36):
So could a QF A380 operate a shortish fat route for BA during the day from LHR?

There's nothing remotely springs to mind that could be there and back in twelve hours.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:50 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 39):
Quoting richardw (Reply 36):
So could a QF A380 operate a shortish fat route for BA during the day from LHR?

There's nothing remotely springs to mind that could be there and back in twelve hours.

A rotation to DME or TLV perhaps? Although these might not be fat enough.

[Edited 2013-12-20 04:53:04]
 
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:57 pm

Quoting richardw (Reply 40):
A rotation to DME or TLV perhaps? Although these might not be fat enough.

There's no impediment for BA to gift such a route to QANTAS metal, besides which they're not exactly the closest of partners since QANTAS got into bed with Emirates.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:17 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 41):
...they're not exactly the closest of partners since QANTAS got into bed with Emirates.

True, but they're still OW alliance partners, and BA are possible a little pleased about the success of their own LHR-SYD direct route despite the EK/QF JSA.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:07 am

Quoting richardw (Reply 42):

True, but they're still OW alliance partners, and BA are possible a little pleased about the success of their own LHR-SYD direct route despite the EK/QF JSA.

There are no plans for BA to hand over routes to Qantas to fly with Australian A380s.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:12 pm

Quoting richardw (Thread starter):

Is there a sensible, practical, economic and profitable option for utilising these in their long parked periods during the day?

A parked airplane making no money is more sensible than a flying one that's losing money. If it wasn't economical to have these aircraft sitting for long periods, the airlines wouldn't be operating the routes. If there was money to be made operating a tag, then that's what they'd be doing. They're not going to operate a money loser just for the sake of increasing utilization of the aircraft.
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:39 pm

Quoting birdbrainz (Reply 26):
Now that the 744's are depreciated, it might not cost BA as much to leave two 744s parked for 12 hrs as parking an A380 for 12 hrs.

I can see your point but the net book cost isn't the influence here.
 
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RE: Parked BA QF A380s JNB LHR

Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:38 pm

An airline will adopt the most economic (and hence profitable) scheduling. Consider the annual BA 'Dreamflight'. This is an annual flight carrying disabled and severely ill children to Orlando for a holiday of a lifetime every October.

In 2010 the aircraft used was 744 G-BNLS. It operated the outward bound 'Dreamflight' LHR-MCO as BA9117C on 17 October. The aircraft was then positioned MCO-LHR as BA9151P that same day. On 18 October it was returned to scheduled operations LHR-SEA as BA049.

After operating scheduled flight BOS-LHR on 24 October 2010 'LS was positioned LHR-MCO on 25 October as BA9150P. It then operated the homeward bound 'Dreamflight' MCO-LHR as BA9118C.

Subsequently things have been different. In 2011 the 'Dreamflight' was operated by 744 G-BNLU. It flew the outward flight LHR-MCO as BA9117C on 16 October. It was then parked at MCO until 24 October. On that date it operated the homeward 'Dreamflight' MCO-LHR as BA9118C. In both 2012 and '13 this flight pattern has been repeated.

If you go back further in history you will see that after flying the outward leg the selected aircraft immediately operated a revenue-earning charter flight carrying local Orlando residents to LHR. Those booking that flight all returned a week later on the 'Dreamflight' aircraft arriving at MCO on the day the kids and their carers were scheduled to depart at the end of the dream vacation.

Now I do not know why these changes occurred. But I think we can all assume they were not made to increase the cost of the overall operation and that the aircraft would not have been parked up for a week at MCO if an alternative scenario would have been more profitable. It is even possible that the changes described above relate in some way to the changing price of aviation fuel and the aircraft depreciation cost (if any) to BA's bottom line. But if parking an aircraft at its destination for a week is viable, parking one for 12 hours is also probably viable.

An after note:

For those not familiar with BA's flight numbers, those ending in 'C' are 'Charter' flights additional to BA's scheduled operations. Those ending in 'P' are Positioning ferry flights including delivery flights. They also use an 'E' suffix for 'Engineering' ferry flights to or from maintenance or ferrying an aircraft home after it has gone tech away from base. They use a 'T' suffix for Training flights.

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