airfrancejfk
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Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:03 pm

I came across a copy of Airlines Worldwide (circa 2003) and saw that both CSA and Malev had about 2 long haul aircraft aircraft each (A310 for CSA and B767 for Malev). Also noticed both airlines offered a variety of services to JFK/YYZ/YUL/ORD/EWR in the West and PEK/BKK in the east. Not the expert on aircraft utilization here but how on earth was a schedule maintained to all of these destinations simultaneously with most North American services operating daily with such a small long haul fleet? Wet lease? Or just a misprint?
 
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:10 pm

The flight schedule probably included a good amount of code-share flights operated by other carriers.
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:34 pm

Some destinations (e.g. YYZ/YUL/PEK/BKK) were much less than daily.
 
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:46 pm

Quoting airfrancejfk (Thread starter):
maintained to all of these destinations simultaneously with most North American services operating daily


US flights and Canadian flights tended to be multistop and rather less than daily (More like 5 weekly or so)

Ie. Montreal/Toronto on some days or Montreal/Chicago on others.

The Newark service operated for a limited period to tie in with Continental operations

Similarly the far east services were never more than 2 weekly,

Certainly not an impossible task for CSA who actually had a fleet of 4 A313s - OK-WAA , OK-WAB , OK- YAC and OK-YAD

As for Malev their long haul fleet was stretched however also rose to 4 767s at various times.

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 1):
The flight schedule probably included a good amount of code-share flights operated by other carriers.

Not the case at all !
 
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:48 pm

CSA used to have 4 A310s and Malev used to have 2 767-200s. Malev flew its 767s to JFK and YUL, or YYZ not sure which, but I do remember JFK was the only US airport that saw Malev flights on its own metal. I remember spotting all the time a Malev 767 at JFK in the 2000s. Malev also flew 2 763s but I don't know what the story was with those.

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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:17 am

Also IIRC CSA used to fly a weekly or twice weekly PRG-DXB-CMB service on board A310, till around 2004.
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:06 pm

Yes, CSA as well had BKK (If I am not mistaken they flew here till Early 2000s). I terribly miss Malev's Livery....
 
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:55 pm

One of the CSA A310's had a cameo in the James Bond flick Casino Royale.
 
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:55 pm

In the 90s, CSA flew as far as SIN via a stop in the middle east (anything from AUH to DXB to Bahrain) and sometimes stopped over in BKK. In around 2000 they shortened this to BKK only. It was a twice or thrice wekly flight. At their peak I have a feeling that they flew up to 10 services to New York weekly divided between JFK and EWR. Then there was the YYZ/YUL flights running approx thrice weekly. During the expansion days around that time they added OK-YAC and OK-YAD to double their A310 fleet. Over the next few years they began culling long haul destinations left right and centre and progressively rid themselves of the A310s. The Colombo flight was only brief and lasted around 1 year. 3 years ago they restarted AUH in cooperation with EY with a little A319 but that destination will disappear from their schedule mid Jan 2014, leaving ICN their only long haul destination (I don't count their Almary flight as long haul - and I guess AUH isn't in that league either). I flew AUH-PRG 3 weeks ago and there were just 25 passengers.
 
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:11 pm

I dug up a couple schedules from winter 1998-99, here is a snapshot of what they were doing, long-haul, at that time:

MALEV:

BKK nonstop 2x/week (3x/week early Dec - late Jan)
BJS nonstop 1x/week
JFK nonstop daily
SIN - MA to ZRH, switch to SR
YUL/YYZ operated by CP via JFK and LHR respectively
Also flew their own a/c to BEY, CAI, DAM, IST, TLV

CSA:

AUH-BKK vv. 2x/week (313)
LCA-DXB vv. 3x/week (734)
IST-KWI vv. 2x/week (735)
YMQ(?)-YYZ vv. 2x/week (3x/week early Dec - early Jan)(313)
EWR nonstop 4x/week (6x/week early Dec - early Jan)(313)
Also flew their own (737) a/c to BEY, CAI, TLV

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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:27 pm

Quoting OM617 (Reply 9):
YMQ(?)

Montreal - All Airports code, like LON or NYC. Back then I imagine they flew to YMX (Mirabel) though.
 
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:29 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 4):
Malev flew its 767s to JFK and YUL, or YYZ not sure which,

MA flew to YYZ. It used to be quite a nice flight. I was really sorry when they cancelled the service.
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:34 pm

Quoting OM617 (Reply 9):
YUL/YYZ operated by CP via JFK and LHR respectively

CP never served BUD, or am I misinterpreting what you mean? CP also never served JFK.
 
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:55 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
Quoting OM617 (Reply 9):YUL/YYZ operated by CP via JFK and LHR respectively
CP never served BUD, or am I misinterpreting what you mean? CP also never served JFK.

I'm sure it means that one would fly MA to LHR, then CP to YYZ or

Quoting EIDL (Reply 10):
Back then I imagine they flew to YMX (Mirabel) though.

Likewise, MA to JFK, then CP JFK-YMX

For one summer, years back, I'd say between 1998-2000, they flew a limited number of flights nonstop to LAX. That was a
big deal for us spotters (when I lived there). There were a total 4-6 flights, and this arrangement was never repeated.

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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:10 am

Quoting EIDL (Reply 10):
Back then I imagine they flew to YMX (Mirabel) though.

The original post refers to schedules in 2003. By then virtually all carriers except Air Transat had been back at YUL for several years. Almost nobody wanted to stay at YMX any longer than necessary after YUL reopened to international services in 1997.

Quoting OM617 (Reply 13):
Likewise, MA to JFK, then CP JFK-YMX

As mentioned previously, CP never served JFK and at the time period being discussed they no longer existed..
 
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:32 am

Interesting feedback! I believe both MA and OK had about 5 flights weekly at JFK around 2003. Had no idea they had so many tag on flights on their NATL services.

I remember back in the early to mid 90's, we had pretty much all of the former major Eastern European carriers at JFK. Tarom was one of the last carriers at JFK with a B707 before switching to the A310. CSA had an IL62 before the A310. I believe both Balkan Bugarian and Malev were strictly 767 and Air Ukraine was an IL62. LOT had by the 90's also been solely 767s into JFK. Can't believe all are now gone with the exception of LOT.
 
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:08 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
As mentioned previously, CP never served JFK

Further digging found a 1997 CP schedule. Mea culpa, their New York-Montreal service was LGA-YYZ-YUL. So what I was
looking at in MA schedule was a codeshare flight.

Quoting airfrancejfk (Reply 15):
I believe both Balkan Bugarian and Malev were strictly 767

MA had a (very attractive) IL62 for a short time:


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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:45 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
The original post refers to schedules in 2003. By then virtually all carriers except Air Transat had been back at YUL for several years. Almost nobody wanted to stay at YMX any longer than necessary after YUL reopened to international services in 1997.

The post I was quoting that used YMQ referred to 1989.
 
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RE: Malev And CSA Long Haul Fleet

Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:36 pm

Quoting OM617 (Reply 16):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
As mentioned previously, CP never served JFK

Further digging found a 1997 CP schedule. Mea culpa, their New York-Montreal service was LGA-YYZ-YUL. So what I was
looking at in MA schedule was a codeshare flight.

And would have been very inconvenient with an airport change from JFK to LGA and then a stop (and probably a connection) at YYZ with customs/immigration and backtracking to YUL.

CP's LGA service was very brief. They couldn't get decent slot times. WestJet had the same problem the first time they served LGA which also didn't last long before they pulled out.

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