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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:01 am

I can't say I can quite understand the 787 lease, unless TK wants to test drive the type to see it fits their fleet. SFO could and will eventually support a 777W but I understand they are short of that as well.
Also can anyone explain why LOT wants to wet lease its 787's that it fought hard with B during the delays?
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:11 am

I saw 787 LOT news @ Flight global and CH aviation as well. Accordingly, LOT has financial problems and due to EU rules, government support is an issue,so wet lease is a cost cutting measure.
787 lease sounds testing machine for me as well, same like 77W in 2009.

77W fleet will be short in 2014 as well.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:54 am

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 45):
how is interior of JNA-JNE, is there plans for refurbishing within next 2 years, there will be around 10 years within the 2 years.
Time is flying!
I remember signing ceromony in Istanbul @ Nato summit in 2004

It is known that refurbishing is not the strength of TK. Seems so that the A340 at least are going partially.

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 37):
There is a fix planned for this situation, it should be implemented already.

What kind of work around is planned there?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:34 pm

There has been a lot of talk about capabilities of Ataturk airport for at least 3-4 years. During that time , plane numbers of TK came from 100s to 240, passenger numbers up millions and airport still operates not with major problems . At certain time of the day check in and check out might is a problem but such problems are all over the world specially at JFK Moreover , military area has not come operational yet . Do you really think we need the third airport ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:45 pm

Quoting umit (Reply 53):

I guess you haven't been to Ataturk Airport recently. You should fly sometime these days and decide if the 3rd airport is necessary or not  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:13 pm

Quoting umit (Reply 53):
Quoting emrecan (Reply 54):

I think IST still can be extended as in HKG model. All you need is to build build 2 parallel runways and a satellite International terminal in one of the locations marked in red rectangles below and connect this terminal to IST main terminal with an underground connection. This will save a lot of cost, save the nature and also limit ever increasing population of Istanbul.

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p682/UmutAydinOrtana/ISTSateliteRunWaysampTerminal_zps58fc81aa.jpg
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:10 pm

Quoting emrecan (Reply 54):

Possible , I take no more then 10 international flight a year from Ataturk ( mostly morning flights to west )which is not really too many . Domestic ones Sabiha Gokcen is more convenient and never had a problem . Last trip was in 25th October early flight to JFK and check in was very smooth . As a matter of fact getting out of JFK was (as always) much bigger hassle .Would the late hours be more problematic then the day time ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:25 pm

Quoting umit (Reply 56):

If you have flown afternoon and seen the situation of the airport, you would clearly see how necessary the new airport is. I don't even need the mention of the late night departure and early morning arrival times.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:56 pm

hi all,
i think 781 to gether with 788could be a good machine for TK. could be deployed at busy european routes such as LHR, CIS, India, asia and some part of us.
but unfortunatly, TK is always late for ordering and then tries to cover the gap by leading from differenr sources and consequently non standard fleet
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:31 pm

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 58):

Or on the other hand was an airline who has (even by luck, if you want) avoided all the problems related to the 787 grounding? Ask QR, LO and others how they had to make reschedulings and how many nights the guys from scheduling couldn't sleep in order to relocate planes from wherever in order to cover the 787 grounding... At least for this time, IMHO it was good for TK not to make an early order for this ac type.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:06 am

Is there any development about terminal extention @ Ataturk airport? Timing, number of bridges, etc?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:29 pm

hello friends and TK fans,
it is a pitty that there is no body here to discuss and share developments. This thread was popular with a lot of contributors, Laxint,TK787,wings, pilotaydin,ankaraflyjet and a lot of valuable contributors.
but unfortunately there are limited discussions at the past 2-3 months. i am looking forwards to meet(discuss) with all of u.
warm regards
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:35 pm

traffic results of 2013 announced.
S.America load factor is higher than fareast. llh routes have higher load factor than europe.
it seems that america (north and south/central) will be source of growth for future.
i see future growth with new widebodies. so lets cross fingers
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:26 pm

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 62):
S.America load factor is higher than fareast. llh routes have higher load factor than europe.
it seems that america (north and south/central) will be source of growth for future.

It is just normal to see higher load factors on LH as their are feeding the NB fleet. These short haul NB fleet flights are offered multiple times and therefore can result in lower load factors. Furthermore there also also quite some strange short haul flights that must somehow by logic be doing badly (SanDiego Compostela..)

We will definately see many more LH routes added this year and upgauges to WB on some routes (KHI..).

I heard the prime minister talking in Singapur about increasing traffic rights. Would not be bad at all since their SIN flights are doing quiet well. I just don't see how to add another 2nd daily flight without having long layover times. It was some time ago that also asked how they could adjust their waves in order to separate the two main european waves about 10-12h apart from each other instead of 7-8 atm.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:25 am

hello Turkish777x
thanks for good news about new Singapore flights and your valubale comments
i think at TK s business model SH is feeding LH as well, you are correct that LH is feeding SH so increasing over all flights is a win win for both SH and LH.
Upgaging KHI with widebodey does not seem a good option fo me flight time is total around 10-11 hours and deploying frame on a second rotation would be risky from delay perpective and profitability perhaps.
so it might cause to 10-11 hours utilization which is significantly bellow daily 14 hours average for WB fleet.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:57 am

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 63):
I just don't see how to add another 2nd daily flight without having long layover times.

Very easy. A schedule like this:

IST SIN 1400 - 0545+1
SIN IST 1030 - 1645

would depart and arrive with optimal connectivity.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:12 am

Greetings from KHI  

Just took last night ESB-IST on a new A321 with 101% load and IST-KHI on new TC-JHP B738 "Dicle" with 80% load (business 90%). On IST-KHI segment, almost all passengers were Pakistanis, connecting from Europe and US.

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 63):
We will definately see many more LH routes added this year and upgauges to WB on some routes (KHI..).
Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 63):
Upgaging KHI with widebodey does not seem a good option fo me flight time is total around 10-11 hours and deploying frame on a second rotation would be risky from delay perpective and profitability perhaps.
so it might cause to 10-11 hours utilization which is significantly bellow daily 14 hours average for WB fleet.

I would like to comment on this further, after my KHI-DXB flight on EK on monday. But so far I can say that Pakistan is not India, and daily WB flight may be too much to KHI.

Last week I had a meeting with India's Deputy Ambassador to Turkey. Taking this opportunity (on behalf of Turkish Aviation  ) I asked him why they do not allow more TK flights to India as it will stimulate business between India and Turkey. He said that, "it will come". He added that especially Spicejet is lobbying against more rights to TK.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:48 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 65):
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 65):

IST SIN 1400 - 0545+1
SIN IST 1030 - 1645

would depart and arrive with optimal connectivity.

It would rather be like this:

IST SIN 1800 - 1045+1
SIN IST 1200 - 1745

In order to feed from the US east bound and feed like the new ICN west bound.
But, I see the problem here, since there west bound is quiet weak and only comprises the big capitals of europe.
However moving the main 2nd departure waves 4 hours back to 19 or so would provide excellent connectivity for these types of flights and at the same time separate the two european waves at about 10 - 12 hours, which would be ideal.

Still, I am sure we will not see this any time soon, due to congestion in IST. There first small asian waves goes at 8is so there is literally no space there. However, maybe a swap between them could work having asia departing around 3-4 and reducing also the inbound US flights downtime in outposts.

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 64):
Upgaging KHI with widebodey does not seem a good option fo me flight time is total around 10-11 hours and deploying frame on a second rotation would be risky from delay perpective and profitability perhaps

It would be ideal for A332, since the 737 is not optimal for such long runs in terms of passenger comfort. I like their intercontinental A321 or 737, but for such long flights they are still too tight. It could be used in the morning to european destinations and arrive around 15-16is in IST and departure for KHI around 20pm again. Just like their 9W birds do.
I am quiet sure we will see this in the summer season. There is a huge diaspora of Pakistanians in the UK and US..
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:13 am

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 67):
It would be ideal for A332, since the 737 is not optimal for such long runs in terms of passenger comfort.

Did you experience them? I really find 737-900ER to be extremely more pleasant than A332 for pax experience... I flew last year a new 738 in IST-TSE leg which is roughly 6 hours and it was quite good. And, I think that something to take into account is schedules. Night flight on a 737 is by far better than day flight on any kind of aircraft type
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:29 am

for Pakistan and Karachi, frequency would be better however I know bilateral issues, as far as I know max 14 weekly flights is allowed.
additional frequency on Indian. market would be great, current schedule on Indian route is optimum for aircraft daily utilization, you can have 1 daily us eastcost flight and 1 indian flight by 2 aircraft which means 16 hours per day utilization if you use 330, alternatively you can use 777 and using LAX machines and have 19 hours utilization while for one US and far east flight you need 3 frames which means 13-14 hours per day utilization.

I think TK would be able to improve ground time when it will have more frames and bilateral rights, so that 2 daily rotation would improve ground time, as an example having 2 daily flight to US eastcoast and 2 to Indian cities and using same frame.

to some extent, egg to chicken or chicken to egg story.
it is business and you can optmize it everydat
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:59 am

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 68):
Did you experience them? I really find 737-900ER to be extremely more pleasant than A332 for pax experience

Definately true for economy pax. However, a different story for business pax. 6h is a time for a nap on a fully flat seat would be necessary in order to keep up with the competitions offerings on the same sector.

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 69):
for Pakistan and Karachi, frequency would be better however I know bilateral issues, as far as I know max 14 weekly flights is allowed.

+1

14 weekly was just recently granted so no frequency increase for the next 1-2 years is a sure thing, unfortunately.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:39 pm

my dream is 42 frequency for Pakistan
double daily for 3 cities. For India, double daily for bombay and Delhi and daily for some other points(too good to be @ the range of 321 neo or 738/739 max.

is there any info on KBL load factor and market share data for Afganistan market.

it would be great if some of you, could provide 2013 load factor data for LH routes, or share where it is available
by the way, I checked S14 time table and Ist-Thr will be 3 flights per day (versus current 4)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:48 pm

I saw some news @ kokpit.aero and accordingly, 332 from Jet would be wet lease for the first 6 months but it says 4 from JET while it is 3 frame from JET at TK announcement
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:01 pm

any news on TC-JDN A340, still awaitng report, will it be returned to service or not, my heart says that it is starting point of 340s phase out
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:13 pm

could be a second handmarket for A340s.
for example, Ariana of Afganistan, airblue of Pakistan.
I wonder why not Iranian airlines, i know sanctions, both how Mahan or Aseman have acquired ex LH or ex VS frames.
TK s are younger than them
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:29 pm

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 72):
I saw some news @ kokpit.aero and accordingly, 332 from Jet would be wet lease for the first 6 months but it says 4 from JET while it is 3 frame from JET at TK announcement

Should be an error on that side, since TK filing to the stock exchange said 3. This is the number that should be considered correct.

TKs KBL flights are recently only being operated by an A320 instead of A332 in the past for some occasions.
This might well be the impact caused by EK launch of the same route.

[Edited 2014-01-11 11:34:16]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:55 pm

India is a great market for TK as a network carrier. I think EK flies to 6 cities (may be more) in India and gets the bigger pie. I am sure TK will increase the capacity and add new destinations in India soon.

[Edited Grammar]

[Edited 2014-01-11 12:00:28]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:08 am

India - UAE market is way different than India - Turkey market. TK needs to improve destinations for India with more direct flights to other locations such as Hyderabad. TK serves as a nice alternative to connect North American Indian community and huge business travel to India better than most carriers. I am sure this will cause another sour grape by LH though.

On a different route of TK leasing 787s. I think it is a very stupid idea by TK management. One can speculate that they are following the same methods on the 777s, but you have to realize that TK did this 15 years after 777 came into the market. 787, has a huge backlog, still many operational hick ups and having a two airplane fleet will cause an uproar by loyal pax in terms of the product inconsistency it creates. TK already suffers from this by leaps and bounds compared to its other competitors.

Also, if they are going to serve SFO, it's time to play hard ball with United. With USAirways leaving Star Alliance, I wonder who TK will codeshare in North America.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:02 am

let's speculate on new WB order: delivery around /after 2020
I expect around 30. replacement of first 7 A332, replacement of 8 to be leased A332 (replacement of A340s) and some for growth.

my bet is : 12 788, 8 781 and 15 359/351. 5 789 would be nice for nonstop SYD.


77x has not been offered by Boeing maybe after 2025.
VLA is an other issue. maybe 10 frame depends on country development and new airport
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:13 am

Dear Bahadir
i agree with u about different products.
however, in my opinion comparison point is A340s. If leased aircrafts are better than A340s and A340s will be phased out, why not.

for growth purpose, TK shoul be in hurry for US market. ME 3s are receiving new aircrafts and open new routes.
I think there might be some 787/350 delivery slots for the next 4-5 years, if they order today delivery time will be around 5 years and till that time operational problems will be solved
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:54 am

TK flew 48.3 million passengers in 2013 amazing a increase of 23.6 percent of previous year. At this rate i say 60 million is doable within a year or two here is the link http://www.portturkey.com/enterprise...rved-48-million-passengers-in-2013 I wonder what the likes of LH BA AF and KLM did in 2013 ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:55 pm

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 80):

Not sure about the others, but LHGroup carried 104.6million pax from which 76million were onboard LH planes (the remaining been LX and OS). The increase compared to previous year was nothing like the 23% of TK though.

60 million through the current infrastructure of IST is a nightmare!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:49 pm

Quoting emrecan (Reply 76):
India is a great market for TK as a network carrier. I think EK flies to 6 cities (may be more) in India and gets the bigger pie. I am sure TK will increase the capacity and add new destinations in India soon.

EK flies to 10 cities in India. There is a market for TK in India, but I think the bilateral negotiations may be affected by the generally poor, if cordial, tenor of relations. Turkey almost always aligns with Pakistan and its taken an anti-India stance on several issues. This hasn't been lost on the Indian Government so I doubt it is going to be in any hurry to open the doors, which is unfortunate for TK.

Quoting bahadir (Reply 77):
TK serves as a nice alternative to connect North American Indian community and huge business travel to India better than most carriers.

While that is true (and I am one of the beneficiaries of the North America-India routes on TK), TK runs the very real risk of alienating pax because of the mess that is IST. I have many Indian friends who flew TK regularly who now think twice before booking it. The secondary screening procedure for N. American bound pax prior to transit security creates a ridiculous amount of stress because it is poorly executed - poor signage, slow process, long lines. It adds to the stress of travel, particularly when TK flights are delayed and/or parked at remote stands (which shaves off a good chunk of transit time). All in all, it is an exceptionally poor setup.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:46 pm

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 82):

A very clear reason for the necessity of the 3rd airport for Istanbul.
I remember some of the members telling "777 is a very big aircraft for TK, how they will fill a 777 etc.." a few years ago.
Despite the current situation of IST, transfer pax. increased a lot. With the new airport, it is obvious that TK will not have a problem even they fly 10 destinations in India to fill the aircrafts.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:46 pm

does any body know history of Ist-Mia flights, at which years, weekly frequency, duration of flights.
is it doable with332/333 or it needs 77W or 340
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:03 pm

Starting April 12, Transavia France will start 4 weekly flights between Paris Orly and Istanbul Sabiha Gökçen :

TO 3082 ORY 0620 - 1050 SAW -2-4-67
TO 3083 SAW 1135 - 1410 ORY -2-4-67
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:41 pm

Crazy evening at IST with many diversions to Gökcen, Corlu, Izmir and Yenisehir due to heavy fog.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:24 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 86):

Crazy indeed, parents flight from FCO landed at SAW waited and refueled then flew back to IST
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:08 pm

Just landed to DXB on an EK B77W from KHI. Flight was 100% full. Almost all of the passengers were Pakistanis, mostly visiting UAE.

DHMI published 2013 passenger number:

Turkey Total 149,531,729 (+14.7%, dom +17.6%)

IST 51.3M (+14%)
SAW 18.6M (+27%, intl +35%)
ESB 10.9M (+18%, dom +22%)
ADB 10.2M (+9%)
AYT 27M (+8%)
DLM 4M (+6%)
BJV 3.6M (+3%)
ADA 4.3M (+15%)
TZX 2.6M (+9%)
GZT 1.9M (+31%)
DIY 1.8M (+38%)
ASR 1.6M (+21%)
SZF 1.3M (+8%)
VAN 1.1M (+12%)

Overall an excellent year. Lets see how IST will cope with 2014 growth…

Looks like Turkey will have an additional 4 or 5 5M+ airports in addition to 5 10M+ large scale airports before end of the decade.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:38 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 48):
Unbelievable, TK swapping the 777W on their Beijing red eye flight for A333 due to prime ministers visit to Japan leading to many people being downgraded from CC to Y on both ends of the journey.

Quiet unbelievable, hope they get the VIP A330 as soon as possible so that TK does not have to provide aircraft each time.

Happens all over the world. Even in the US, carriers provide aircraft for presidential visits or special events (sports games) which can lead to cancellation or capacity adjustments of regular flying.

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 62):
traffic results of 2013 announced.
S.America load factor is higher than fareast. llh routes have higher load factor than europe.
it seems that america (north and south/central) will be source of growth for future.

Its normal and quite neccesary‎ for longhaul to have higher LF.

For benefit of those that have not seen the TK announcement here were the regional load factor specifics.

Load factors:
Domestic: 79.4% +0.4pt
Europe: 78.2% +1.5pt
MidEast: 72.4% +0.6pt
FarEast: 81.3% +0.8pt
Africa: 76.2% +1.7pt
N America: 83.6% +1.6pt
S America: 81.4% +9.0pt

Breakdown of pax per region[
Domestic: 41.9%
Europe: 34.8%
MidEast: 8.2%
FarEast: 7.0%
Africa: 4.6%
N America: 2.5%
S America: 0.4%

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 62):
i see future growth with new widebodies. so lets cross fingers

They have 40 on the way already.

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 73):
any news on TC-JDN A340, still awaitng report, will it be returned to service or not, my heart says that it is starting point of 340s phase out

Its up to the insurance company. Might be a blessing in disguise if the frame is withdrawn for good. TK has been trying long time to find buyers for the A340 fleet.

Quoting bahadir (Reply 77):
Also, if they are going to serve SFO, it's time to play hard ball with United. With USAirways leaving Star Alliance, I wonder who TK will codeshare in North America.

Maybe add folks like Virgin America, Alaska, to current JetBlue and Air Canada partnerships?

Unfortunately United is stuck at the hip with Lufthansa and its Atlantic++ JV so besides a few random codeshares not much that TK can expect from it.

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 80):
TK flew 48.3 million passengers in 2013 amazing a increase of 23.6 percent of previous year. At this rate i say 60 million is doable within a year or two here is the link

Lets add a little more color to this.

Total flights: 369,572 +22.2%
ASK: 116,422,640 +21.1%
RPK: 92,002,859 +23.2%
LF: 79.0% +1.4pt
Pax: 48,270,005 +23.6% (of which 20,052,652 domestic +26.1%)
Intl Xfer Pax: 11,615,367 +29.2%
Cargo Tons: 565,338 +20.1%

Fleet at year end: 233
Destinations at year end: 243

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 82):
The secondary screening procedure for N. American bound pax

In fairness, those are a requirement of the US TSA.

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 84):
does any body know history of Ist-Mia flights, at which years, weekly frequency, duration of flights.
is it doable with332/333 or it needs 77W or 340

Miami was launched in June 1999, 3x weekly A340. At the time North America was daily to JFK, and 3x weekly to ORD. MIA ended two years later in October 2001. (which was good timing, as after 9/11 things would have become even worse).
The route was a disaster in many ways and per announcement was responsible for $1.5 million loss per month at the time.

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 85):
Starting April 12, Transavia France will start 4 weekly flights between Paris Orly and Istanbul Sabiha Gökçen :

Bon chance.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 88):
DHMI published 2013 passenger number:

Thanks for keeping an eye on the official update.

Quite impressive the numbers generated by Turkish airports in a year that some worried that would be negatively effected by the Gezi park incident and continued economic malaise in Europe.

All combined some 150million passengers used the 50 or so airports in the country(was 131mil in 2012).
Istanbul region obviously is the power house of Turkey and continues its rapid growth.

Interesting to note that the DHMI also forecast traffic and has the following enplanement estimates for next 3 years:

2014: 171.8mil (which 86.5 are domestic)
2015: 189.6mil (98.1mil domestic)
2016: 207.4mil (107.7mil domestic).

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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:58 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 85):
Starting April 12, Transavia France will start 4 weekly flights between Paris Orly and Istanbul Sabiha Gökçen :

Was actually hoping TK to launch flights to Orly from IST. I know it is a secondary airport compared to CDG but following the London example where TK serves LHR and LGW it not too far off as both cities have pretty much the same attraction to people. Paris is most visited city. Especially considering that TK already is 4 times daily at CDG to IST and additionally 1* daily to SAW

Which month are the ordered 777Ws coming in this year?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:42 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 90):
Was actually hoping TK to launch flights to Orly from IST.

Key word is RElaunch.

Remember TK was at Orly all these decades before moving to CDG (at Star Alliance request) in 2008.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:52 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 91):
Remember TK was at Orly all these decades before moving to CDG (at Star Alliance request) in 2008.

... and TK should stay at CDG. Orly name is related to some of the worst episodes in TK history including Flight 981 accident as well as 1983 terrorist attacks.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:02 pm

Why is Poland not part of the open skies between Turkey and the EU? It was mentioned a couple of times that there not enough traffic rights in order to go to daily on their poland routes?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:37 pm

Quoting NuD38 (Reply 92):
... and TK should stay at CDG. Orly name is related to some of the worst episodes in TK history including Flight 981 accident as well as 1983 terrorist attacks.

Well that's a little far fetched, if you use this logic most airlines should avoid JFK airport by a few thousand miles, some of the worst aviation disasters include JFK airport...

50% of Turkish population is around the age of 25-26, most new pilots at TK don't even know about the Orly accident or events of 1983, so I highly doubt that re flying to Orly will cause any psycho doubt in pax in this era, I see your point though...
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:37 pm

Temel Kotil during graduation ceremony of TK academy:
He replied question of press related to discussion with Boeing related to dreamliner as "a matter of price, TK is ready to purchase any type of a/c depending on price.
He said that they leased 8 aircraft after budget, so if we add 8 to budget, it means 62 WB.
My esimation is as following
77W: 19 (12+4 new+3 jet)
332 : 18 (8+2+8)
333 : 17
340 : 7
total 61, i do not know remaing 1
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:17 pm

how can we differentiate missons of airbus 32s and B737NG missions, can we conclude:
739: mainly Africa
738 : CIS routes, thinner or when range of 321 not sufficient
321 : trunck european or MEast routes and also where good hardware is needed due to competition
737/320/319 : thiner routes
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:27 pm

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 95):
My esimation is as following
77W: 19 (12+4 new+3 jet)

They are going to get 5 777W from Boeing this year.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:47 pm

i saw @ newspaper statement from Hamdi Topcu that 2 of 77W will be delivered in 2014 instead of 2015 (total 5 in 2014) however @ TK Q3 presentation it says 4 that is the reason I considered 4
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2014

Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:04 pm

I hope it to be 5  
We will rather see in the Q4 presentation.

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