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Boeing 787-9 To Make International Debut

Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:41 pm

The second Boeing 787-9, (ZB002) is set to make it's international debut this month. The 787-9 will travel to Auckland, to visit it's launch customer: Air New Zealand and also flight to Alice Springs, Australia for flight testing.

ZB002 is the only 787-9 currently with passenger interior elements, in addition to the test racks and instrumentation.

"Boeing says they are still on track to deliver the first 787-9 to Air New Zealand in mid-2014. The first revenue flight is already scheduled for October 15, 2014 between Auckland and Perth."

Source: http://airchive.com/blog/2014/01/02/...t-international-debut-early-month/

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Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:51 pm

Stopping in Brisbane on Monday 1200-1700L if all things go to plan 
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:07 am

I wonder if VA execs will be invited out to have a look at the 789 when it is in BNE. It is one of the planes mooted to be in consideration for their evenrual 77W and A330 replacement program.
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:24 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 2):

I don't think there's enough time. If they wanted a look, I'm sure they would manage to get to AKL (or maybe ASP?) for it.
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:55 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 2):

Its only in BNE for fuel and will then fly directly to ASP for hot weather testing for several days
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:27 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 2):
I wonder if VA execs will be invited out to have a look at the 789 when it is in BNE. It is one of the planes mooted to be in consideration for their evenrual 77W and A330 replacement program.

Don't really think the final decision will come down to the VA exec team, I can see NZ/SQ/EH all wanting to have a large say in what longhual aircraft VA purchases in the feature.


Anyone know what is going to be doing between June & October? must be going on AKL-SYD/MEL/BNE training runs?
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:47 am

Anyone know why a long range plane would require to stop in BNE for fuel when performing a realtivly short hop from AKL to Alice ?
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:48 am

Maybe it's stopping in BNE more for customs/immigration reasons
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:39 am

Quoting nz2 (Reply 6):
Anyone know why a long range plane would require to stop in BNE for fuel when performing a realtivly short hop from AKL to Alice ?

Would likely be cheaper to upload more fuel in BNE, as well what Rendezvous said it would need to clear customs in BNE.


Looks like its arriving at 1800 as SC2344
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:24 am

Quoting rendezvous (Reply 7):
Maybe it's stopping in BNE more for customs/immigration reasons

Why would it do that? PER should have the same customs/immigration as BNE right?  
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:27 am

Quoting robbie86 (Reply 9):
Why would it do that? PER should have the same customs/immigration as BNE right?

It's not flying to PER until October.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:19 pm

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RE: Boeing 787-9 To Make International Debut

Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:56 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
A flight plan BFI-AKL has been filled, see:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20140103/1600Z/KBFI/NZAA

It will be tracking over HNL and NAN instead of direct.

Don't know if this is connected but Air NZ 320 ZK-OJE did an AKL-NAN-AKL last night as NZ6090 / NZ6091 returning to AKL about 0200 NZDT this morning. Unusual as both sectors are positioning flight numbers.

Possible NAN stop for BOE2?

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RE: Boeing 787-9 To Make International Debut

Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:03 pm

The 787 is airborne, on its way to AKL now.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 12):
Possible NAN stop for BOE2?

I have no idea, it's possible. We will find out soon  
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:27 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 12):
It will be tracking over HNL and NAN instead of direct.

It's in the flight plan,

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20140103/1600Z/KBFI/NZAA
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:19 pm

The BNE stop is for Australian customs clearance. They may take on fuel if its cheaper there than AKL  
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:24 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 15):
The BNE stop is for Australian customs clearance.

Why not go straight to Auckland, never been down under but can one clear customs in Australia for both countries, thus rendering the BNE-AKL run a domestic flight?
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:37 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 16):

Why not go straight to Auckland, never been down under but can one clear customs in Australia for both countries, thus rendering the BNE-AKL run a domestic flight?

It is flying non-stop PAE-AKL, It will then spend the weekend in AKL doing its official launch to the media, and allow NZ to promo it. Then on Monday afternoon it will then fly AKL-BNE-ASP, it will clear Australian customs then go onto ASP. It will spend a week in ASP doing flight testing. Between AKL-BNE its an International Flight.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:10 pm

[quote=zkncj,reply=17]
Ah, thanks, mixed up the inbound and outbound flights.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:25 pm

Arrival into AKL has been delayed to around 2030.. Maybe they are making a tech stop somewhere on the way now.
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:29 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):
Arrival into AKL has been delayed to around 2030.. Maybe they are making a tech stop somewhere on the way now.

Picking up an NZ Media crew in NAN maybe? or a couple of NZ's exec team.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:36 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):

It is just late I think. flightradar24.com shows it is still north of Hawaii - http://www.flightradar24.com/BOE2.
New ETA on AKL flight arrivals board shows SC2344 from Seattle is 2050

[Edited 2014-01-03 14:38:35]

[Edited 2014-01-03 14:39:14]

flightaware.com has the B787-9 scheduled to fly direct service from Seattle to Auckland - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE2.
4,000 km down, 7,500 km, with ETA AKL 2047.


[Edited 2014-01-03 15:20:11]

[Edited 2014-01-03 15:22:34]
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:37 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 20):

It's not certified to take passengers.. But I don't know to what extent that means.. Maybe the crew needs special training or something to be onboard?
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:45 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):
It's not certified to take passengers.. But I don't know to what extent that means.. Maybe the crew needs special training or something to be onboard?

When the 788 came to Auckland early in the development stage, they took NZ staff onboard to show it off. Must be a paperwork / libablity thing tho.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:05 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 23):
they took NZ staff onboard to show it off.
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):
Maybe the crew needs special training or something to be onboard?

Yep probably special safety training as the test airplane may not contain all the in flight safety equipment typical with a commercial frame. Things like emergency oxygen masks/oxygen bottle, fire extinguishers, and the proper use there of. Training to which any air crew staff would already have been trained (but maybe not a typical passenger or VIP).

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RE: Boeing 787-9 To Make International Debut

Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:42 am

Its about 1540 currently in Auckland, and looks like there some decent thunder storms starting to build around the ranges. I'm wondering if they delayed the departure from PAE, to arrive later once there was less risk of an afternoon storm. As its currently about 29degrees with 78% humidity, which is just asking for a tropical thunder storm
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:49 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 25):

Uh oh! Though a wet runway might be nice.. Light will be fading fast.. I just hope for some nice colours. I don't know where you're getting 29 from because everything I see says 25! And the front approaching from the west isn't convection related.
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:57 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 26):
where you're getting 29 from because everything I see says 25!

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Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:54 am

Now just 55minutes out from Auckland, appears to be a Bombardier Global 6000 heading towards it. Hopefully they will do some air to air footage.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:41 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 28):

over Hauraki Gulf, landing soon. Very exciting! Hope to see some good photos soon! The B787-9 will be excellent for Air New Zealand.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:31 am

There are some pictures of the landing here, and more will be added tomorrow (NZ time):

http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-new-zeal...m=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flippe
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:50 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 16):
can one clear customs in Australia for both countries

Umm - they're separate countries with their own (different) immigration / customs / agri-food requirements (just like Canada and the U.S.).
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:20 am

Here is a picture from Boeing:

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Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:45 am

Quoting oykie (Reply 32):
Here is a picture from Boeing:


Good to see that got the old Conviar 580s in the background.

New Zealand based Media has started to post some videos
http://tvnz.co.nz/travel-news/newest...r-touches-down-in-auckland-5791688
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:23 pm

I found a few pictures of the "cabin":

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdKvk1FCIAAFfY6.jpg:large

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdKvyT5CMAACbux.jpg:large

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdKwgSYCMAAaeaM.jpg:large

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdLHnbACAAEzqlr.jpg:large

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Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:41 pm

Thanks for the photos, KarelXWB.

Does make me wonder though - how many 'average nine-across-sized' people are there left in the USA?  
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RE: Boeing 787-9 To Make International Debut

Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:52 pm

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 35):
Thanks for the photos, KarelXWB.

Indeed, my thanks as well. It is always nice to see all this flight test equipment installed into a cabin. Which makes clear how thorough such test programs at the OEM's are.

Quoting Nav20 (Reply 35):
Does make me wonder though - how many 'average nine-across-sized' people are there left in the USA?  

Well, it was just in the news the other day that this is not a problem only for the USA. Worldwide the average weight of people is increasing, also the people who are obese is increasing rapidly. Also in the third world countries.

Maybe a minimum of 18" seats for the economy class is for multiple reasons a very good idea.  .
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:57 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 36):
Well, it was just in the news the other day that this is not a problem only for the USA. Worldwide the average weight of people is increasing, also the people who are obese is increasing rapidly. Also in the third world countries.

Indeed, the whole world is dealing with overweight.

Here in Holland, 40% of the population is overweight.
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:38 pm

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 31):
Quoting par13del (Reply 16):can one clear customs in Australia for both countries
Umm - they're separate countries with their own (different) immigration / customs / agri-food requirements (just like Canada and the U.S.).

But you can clear US Customs in the Vancouver, BC airport when you're traveling to Seattle via air.

Australia and New Zealand may have a similar arrangement.

[Edited 2014-01-05 07:41:13]

[Edited 2014-01-05 07:42:21]
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:43 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 38):
But you can clear US Customs in Vancouver, BC when you're traveling to Seattle.

You can also clear US Customs here in Nassau and arrive in the USA at the domestic gates.

I asked the initial question because I thought there was a special relationship between Australia and New Zealand, now I know as to customs and immigration the relationship does not go that far.
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 5:16 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 38):
Australia and New Zealand may have a similar arrangement.

Not yet, they are planning to make it a Domestic flight.
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:44 pm

Thanks for the pictures KarelXWB!
Does anyone know what the window plug, or cover is shown in the 3rd pic, Reply #34? There seems to be a lot of wires attached to it, some type of test equipment I'm sure, but what?

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Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:59 pm

A couple more photos here; and some more information on the NZ 789s:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-new-zeal...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:27 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 39):

Americans need visas to enter Australia, whereas New Zealand they're not required.
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:06 pm

The B789 BOE2 left AKL @ 1052 NZDT for BNE, due there 2 hrs 52 mins later @ 1052 EST. You can track it on flightradar24 http://www.flightradar24.com/BOE2 or flightaware http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20140105/2100Z/NZAA/YBBN

[Edited 2014-01-05 14:08:05]
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:32 am

BOE2 is coming into BRE soon. http://www.flightradar24.com/BOE2 and http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20140105/2100Z/NZAA/YBBN
Hopefully we'll have some good photos of this beautiful aircraft from Brisbane locals!
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:43 am

The B789 BOE2 will not be staying long in BNE, but is scheduled to fly out 1330 EST to ASP with ETA 1531 CST.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:55 am

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...99993054064&type=1&theater

My shot of the 787-9 on approach to YBBN. Ill be posting more on my page tonight.

[Edited 2014-01-06 00:26:14]
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:12 am

I photographed it as it took off from AKL late this morning. It was a fairly slow/shallow takeoff, normally flights to BNE are up earlier than that.
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:03 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 48):

I noticed that the other 787s which had been to AKL on tour also did similar shallow takeoffs (wasn't there to witness today's departure).. Must be a Boeing thing - they held up the nose on landing which pissed me and another couple of photographers off who wanted a greaser at the touchdown markers!

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3666/11795213354_d462fa31e5_b.jpg
Boeing 787-9 by ANZ787900, on Flickr

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