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Iberia To Order More A330s

Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:41 am

Spanish media are reporting Iberia will exercise its remaining A330 options and is poised to place a firm order with Airbus for eight more A330(-200) aircraft next week.

This news has not been confirmed yet by either Airbus or IAG.

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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:58 am

-200 not - 300?

Interesting.

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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:06 am

The -200 has more range than the -300 to allow IB to reach more destinations in South America directly (to replace the A340-300 I think). So quite an obvious choice I think.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:35 am

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 2):
The -200 has more range than the -300 to allow IB to reach more destinations in South America directly (to replace the A340-300 I think). So quite an obvious choice I think.

Not so obvious, I think. A 1:1 replacement of 340-300 with 330-200 is a strong reduction of capacity. So maybe they are taking the "more frequency" road?
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:47 am

I guess the order is conditional on Iberia concluding productivity negotiations with staff groups which I think are still ongoing?
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:52 am

Quoting mafi29 (Reply 3):
So maybe they are taking the "more frequency" road?

Could very well be, along with the IAG(BA) approach of right-sizing their aircraft. Can imagine a -300 being too large for some (new?) IB routes. And even the A333HGW might be payload restricted for some hot and high airports.

So I guess the purchase rights IAG has on 787s/A350s for IB will be for A346 replacement only?
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:59 am

Hopefully this IB thread will remain in topic this time.

I'm surprised they are getting the -200's but i suppose they need them for range for routes that are beyond the -300 and too thin for the 340-600. Maybe just a stopgap measure until the 787.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:12 pm

Good news for IB and Airbus.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 6):
Maybe just a stopgap measure until the 787.

Bread and butter today vs. jam tomorrow. They could have those A330s for quite a while before they could get their hands on A350s or 787s (which have yet to be ordered for IB).
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:44 pm

Quoting mafi29 (Reply 3):
Not so obvious, I think. A 1:1 replacement of 340-300 with 330-200 is a strong reduction of capacity. So maybe they are taking the "more frequency" road?

I think reduction of capacity is indeed what IB is after in its efforts to regain profitability. Smaller planes are easier to fill and cheaper to operate (less cabin crew, cheaper maintenance, less fuel etc.)

Working with other oneworld-partners to minimize the overall capacity loss to key-destinations where the A340-300 is to be replaced with the A330s would be the other (next) move in my opinion.

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Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:16 pm

Quoting mafi29 (Reply 3):
Not so obvious, I think. A 1:1 replacement of 340-300 with 330-200 is a strong reduction of capacity. So maybe they are taking the "more frequency" road?

They still have (and they are retrofitting) the A346s. The A332 can work well for thinner routes like Montevideo, Bolivia or Central America and the Caribbean.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:21 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
They still have (and they are retrofitting) the A346s. The A332 can work well for thinner routes like Montevideo, Bolivia or Central America and the Caribbean.

The A330-200's range is better for routes like Madrid to Lima and Santiago, Chile which are about 13 hours from Madrid.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:33 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
The A332 can work well for thinner routes like Montevideo, Bolivia or Central America and the Caribbean.

IB could potentially use the A332s to resume and/or launch new services to destinations in Brazil. Also, IB may be interested in resuming services to COR, as well as opening new routes to destinations i.e. ASU, CLO, MDE, etc.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:40 pm

Quoting mafi29 (Reply 3):
Not so obvious, I think. A 1:1 replacement of 340-300 with 330-200 is a strong reduction of capacity. So maybe they are taking the "more frequency" road?
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
They still have (and they are retrofitting) the A346s. The A332 can work well for thinner routes like Montevideo, Bolivia or Central America and the Caribbean.

I think it's both. Capacity reduction and performance. There are many IB destinations in S. America, current and future, that are out of the reach of the A333 and some that may not have enough demand for the A333/A340: UIO, SCL, MVD are just a few. I've always blamed IB for not making the transition to the A330 a long time ago. If the A333 lacked the necessary performance until recently, that's understandable, but the A332 always had the performance and I'm now being proved right. Better late than never I guess  
 
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:51 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 5):
So I guess the purchase rights IAG has on 787s/A350s for IB will be for A346 replacement only?

According the IAG presentation of last year, Iberia holds the following options:

> 8x A330
> 32x A350-900
> 12x 787-9

We are looking at 44 A350/B787 aircraft (more than double the A346 fleet), I assume these will eventually replace the A330 fleet too.

The A340-600 fleet is currently undergoing a complete retrofit, I doubt these will be replaced before 2020. It will take a while before we see A350s and/or B787s in Iberia colors.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2ui9qo8.jpg

Quoting scbriml (Reply 7):
Bread and butter today vs. jam tomorrow. They could have those A330s for quite a while before they could get their hands on A350s or 787s (which have yet to be ordered for IB).

Indeed. The above slide also reveals all eight A330s can be delivered between 2015 and 2017, long before they can get their hands on A350/B787 equipment.
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:56 pm

Also, if they go for slimline seats in Y and pack the galleys tighter, they can fit at least 16 more Y seats on the A332 than with older seats.
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:09 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Spanish media are reporting Iberia will exercise its remaining A330 options and is poised to place a firm order with Airbus for eight more A330(-200) aircraft next week.

Good news for Airbus, and the A330 in particular. And of course good news for IB as well.  .

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
The A340-600 fleet is currently undergoing a complete retrofit, I doubt these will be replaced before 2020. It will take a while before we see A350s and/or B787s in Iberia colors.

Good to hear those beautiful birds will be around for quite a few years to come.  .

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
Indeed. The above slide also reveals all eight A330s can be delivered between 2015 and 2017, long before they can get their hands on A350/B787 equipment.

Availability is as always a very important factor in securing orders. if this one will be confirmed, it is another example of that fact.
 
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:07 pm

Update, Iberia might also announce an order for 12x B787-9 aircraft next week:

http://fly-news.es/aerolineas/iberia...os-ocho-a330-300-a-la-version-200/

The carrier might also open routes to La Havana and Santo Domingo.

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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:22 pm

IB may need the capacity of the A330-300 but also needs the flexibility the-200 series can provide especially if they want to phase out those A340-300; this can be handy in less capacity routes (Caribbean/central American routes) and the hot and high airports like BOG, UIO and even MEX if additional flights are needed.

Also it could be handy if they decide to open new routes in Latin America...GDL, MTY, CLO/MDE, LPB/VVI, ASU, etc…
 
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:31 pm

Excellent news!

Maybe they can use the A332s to fly year round to LAX and BOS, or maybe to open SFO or resume IAD during Summer. What do you think about that destinations? And what about resuming JNB?

Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):

I think there is plenty of demand for SCL and UIO, and I'm afraid that A332 don't have enough range for SCL.
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:56 pm

Man, brand new Boeing plastic flying in IB colors...I never thought I'd see the day but I guess IAG will soon make it so. That should make for an interesting little Boeing pilot group standing apart form the much larger Airbus pool.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:25 pm

Quoting mfc (Reply 18):
I think there is plenty of demand for SCL

Indeed, currently there are 17 weekly non-stop flights between SCL and MAD.

Quoting mfc (Reply 18):
I'm afraid that A332 don't have enough range for SCL.

Hence UX's decision to enter the Chilean market via SSA. During the Northern Summer season, there will be 20 weekly flights between SCL and MAD!
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:58 pm

Quoting mfc (Reply 18):
I think there is plenty of demand for SCL and UIO, and I'm afraid that A332 don't have enough range for SCL.

Right but do they make money on all of those discounted Y seats? Once again, high load factor is not indicative of high yields. By the way, IB flies a single A343 to UIO. If demand was that high I would think it would be an A346. SCL is A346 and A343. And the A332 does have the range. It's right at the limit and on hot days it may suffer a bit out of MAD, but it does have the range as long as it's not in high density leisure configuration. If LAN's 763ER's can make it, so can the A332.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:23 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 21):
By the way, IB flies a single A343 to UIO. If demand was that high I would think it would be an A346.

IB deploys the A346 on both the MAD-UIO-MAD and MAD-UIO-GYE-MAD routes on certain days.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 21):
If LAN's 763ER's can make it, so can the A332.


When LAN deployed the 767-316ERs on the SCL-MAD-FRA route, the 767-316ERs were weight-restricted on the MAD-SCL sector. Could the A332s operate MAD-SCL without any weight-restrictions?
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:58 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 21):
Once again, high load factor is not indicative of high yields.

I know. Last year and this one Iberia increased frequencies to SCL during Winter, so I guess they make money flying to SCL.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 21):
SCL is A346 and A343.

Most times is A346, and everyday during Winter:

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ib6830

Quoting airbazar (Reply 21):
And the A332 does have the range.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 22):
Could the A332s operate MAD-SCL without any weight-restrictions?

The current longest A332 route is ICN-NBO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-stop_flight) which is 5431nm, MAD-SCL is 5777nm.I highly doubt an A332 could do MAD-SCL without restrictions.

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Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:19 pm

Quoting mfc (Reply 23):
MAD-SCL is 5777nm.I highly doubt an A332 could do MAD-SCL without restrictions.

The A330-200 has a design range of 7250nm. Looking at Airbus payload charts, an 233 MTOW A330-200 should be able to fly 6000nm with around 32 tonnes of payload.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2wdsv3s.jpg

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Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:22 pm

Quoting mfc (Reply 23):
Last year and this one Iberia increased frequencies to SCL during Winter, so I guess they make money flying to SCL.

Similarly, LAN will increase frequency on the route to 10x weekly for the NS season with the 787-8. I guess LAN is pleased with the yields generated on the route.  
Quoting mfc (Reply 23):
Most times is A346, and everyday during Winter:

IB6835/IB6834 occasionally operates with the A343.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:55 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):

Thanks for the chart, it shows what I said, the A332 can't do the route without restrictions. I guess that winds and other factors are not taken into account, so the actual performance of the A332 may be different. If you can post the A333 and A346 PL-R charts it would be useful to make a comparison.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 25):
IB6835/IB6834 occasionally operates with the A343.

You're right, I forgot about that flight.
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:08 pm

Quoting mfc (Reply 26):
Thanks for the chart, it shows what I said, the A332 can't do the route without restrictions.

Well, I don't know what a typical Iberia A332 payload would look like.

Quote:
I guess that winds and other factors are not taken into account, so the actual performance of the A332 may be different.

- 5% trip fuel allowance
- 30 min holding
- 200nm diversion
- no winds

Quote:
If you can post the A333 and A346 PL-R charts it would be useful to make a comparison.

Here is the payload chart for the A330-300 with GE engines:

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2dm60dh.jpg

And the A340-600:

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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:25 pm

Is not a good idea calling this thread "Iberia to order more A330's" because all this is just a rumour. No more, it's a rumour, I have to see it to believe it

Quoting mfc (Reply 23):
I highly doubt an A332 could do MAD-SCL without restrictions

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Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:37 pm

Great to hear that those A330s options that IAG has for IB look like being firmed up very soon. If they are for the -200 series then IB will have great operational flexibility. It will allow them to increase frequencies to places where they cannot go currently (PTY is an example), launch new ones and add frequencies on existing destinations.

The rumour says that it will be 787-9s that IB will also firm up. These would seat around 300 seaters and I guess will end up replacing some but not all of the A346s in a few years time. There'll be scope for A350s too.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:49 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
- 5% trip fuel allowance
- 30 min holding
- 200nm diversion
- no winds

Iberia's pilots are generous with extra fuel onboard. Winds can be very strong on the MAD-SCL route.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
Here is the payload chart for the A330-300 with GE engines:

Iberia will send A333s to PTY and GIG, distances are around 4500nm, which implies 15000 lbs less of payload. MAD-SCL with an A332 implies a penalty of 40000 lbs.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
And the A340-600:

No penalty for the MAD-SCL route.

Thanks for the charts!

Quoting summa767 (Reply 29):
PTY is an example)

They can go. The A330 is programmed for PTY on the 10th of May, for example.
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:55 pm

Quoting mfc (Reply 30):
They can go. The A330 is programmed for PTY on the 10th of May, for example.

That the A333s operate PTY was to be expected. What I meant is that it would be easier to increase service to daily with the A332s
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:59 pm

Quoting summa767 (Reply 31):

Ah okay, you're right. Meanwhile KLM sends 77Ws daily...
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:30 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):
Iberia might also announce an order for 12x B787-9 aircraft next week:

Interesting. Any thoughts on engine choice? IB are not a big RR customer (save their A346s, for which there was no choice), but could they go RR to match BA?
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:30 pm

Long overdue but very welcome development if confirmed (remember this is still just a press rumor, though a probable one).
I wouldn't be so sure about all -200... personally I bet on a mix of A333's and A332's, all of the latest highest MTOW variant. The A333 is the perfect replacement for IB's A343's. Where the A333 can make it, it's the 1st choice. And top off with A332's only for the destinations the A333 cannot make.

For the destinations the A333 won't make: either upgrade them to A346 where there is demand, or take the capacity hit and go A332. But I think all the A346's will eventually be for deep LatAm only, with North America all A333's, with frequency increases where the capacity is not enough (former A346 routes).

However, like others have said, the A332 also offers the potential to (re)open secondary LatAm markets where IB has previously failed due to too much aircraft (A343), unconvenient triangular routings, low frequencies, etc. UX is already succeeding in several of those ex-IB markets with their A332's. This is the most interesting possibilty since in the past, IB has lacked an aircraft to open long, thin secondary routes.
 
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:03 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
The A332 can work well for thinner routes like Montevideo, Bolivia or Central America and the Caribbean.

Routes in C. America are hardly thin…those 346s go out full to the gills…I suspect you may see IB use the 332 to go to 10X to places like SJO
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:23 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 22):
IB deploys the A346 on both the MAD-UIO-MAD and MAD-UIO-GYE-MAD routes on certain days.

Oh a triangular route. Always a sign of great demand and high yields      Seems to me mostly an A343 in Winter, according to Flightradar.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ib6463

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 22):
When LAN deployed the 767-316ERs on the SCL-MAD-FRA route, the 767-316ERs were weight-restricted on the MAD-SCL sector. Could the A332s operate MAD-SCL without any weight-restrictions?

Yes it can.

Quoting mfc (Reply 23):
The current longest A332 route is ICN-NBO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-stop_flight) which is 5431nm, MAD-SCL is 5777nm.I highly doubt an A332 could do MAD-SCL without restrictions.

That might be the current longest but QF operated AKL-LAX (5652nm) with an A332 for years, and I never heard of them having any restrictions. But I could be wrong.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
The A330-200 has a design range of 7250nm. Looking at Airbus payload charts, an 233 MTOW A330-200 should be able to fly 6000nm with around 32 tonnes of payload.

Thank you. Clearly it has the range and payload.

Quoting mfc (Reply 26):
Thanks for the chart, it shows what I said, the A332 can't do the route without restrictions.

Really? The chart I'm looking at shows better than 32T payload after 2015, at 6,000nm.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 20):
Hence UX's decision to enter the Chilean market via SSA.

UX has a very high density configuration    I don't expect IB to be like that.
 
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:36 am

The A330-200 has a mighty max structural payload and can theoretically lift 5000kgs more payload than the bigger A330-300! While there are restrictions on paper, it won't even matter in most real-world cases where planes are not fully loaded with cargo.
 
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:29 am

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 33):
IB are not a big RR customer (save their A346s, for which there was no choice)

Don't forget that they selected RR for their 757s.

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 33):
could they go RR to match BA?

I'd be astonished if they didn't. And, don't forget, it's IAG ordering the aircraft, not BA or IB. IAG have already selected RR for their 787s.
 
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Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:40 am

I guess they could although use some A330s for the routes from MAD to TFS and LPA. Air Europe seems to make money using the heavies on that route, which IB also did in the past. More WBs in the fleet could free some up for that routes. Maybe A343 is a high density configuration would work, like what TK is doing with some of their A343.
 
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:37 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 36):

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
The A330-200 has a design range of 7250nm. Looking at Airbus payload charts, an 233 MTOW A330-200 should be able to fly 6000nm with around 32 tonnes of payload.

Thank you. Clearly it has the range and payload.

Quoting mfc (Reply 26):
Thanks for the chart, it shows what I said, the A332 can't do the route without restrictions.

Really? The chart I'm looking at shows better than 32T payload after 2015, at 6,000nm.

It might have the range on paper, but I think many of you are forgetting what type of plane the A340-600 really is, which is a cargo plane, yes if used exclusively for passengeres it is the gaz-guzzling monster everybody says it is, but Iberia flies theese birds with the bellys full of cargo, it is not uncommon they have up to 20tonnes (metric) of cargo alone + the full compliment of 342pax on routes like SCL, EZE and GRU. I really doubt the A332 can lift a payload of 50-55tonnes (I think the last couple of -600´s received could lift 60t? not sure anyways) from EZE, SCL or GRU for that matter.

Anyways I think the A330-200 will be a great machine for Iberia, just as the A330-300 is fitting along nicely on the North American routes.
As many of you have said, Central America and northern South America routes would be great for this bird, and maybe reoponening some of those longer routes like COR or MVD (The MVD route which Air Europa took over when IB left, and they have unofficially said its their most profitable route ever, be it or not, one would think there is room for one more in such case), or other routes that haven´t seem to be that viable in the past like the MAD-REC-FOR-MAD (or was it MAD-FOR-REC-MAD? , can´t remember) and reopening HAV, SDQ and SJU, or making BOS viable year round and IAD seasonal again. (I know I´m dreaming now but maybe YUL    ok I´ll stop now  )

Will be interesting to see what is ahead for Iberia in this near future, a bit sad they will be retering those beautifull A340-300, although it seems like yesterday they retired their B747-256B which was also a pitty   .
But thats how it is I supose, at least the A343 won´t be getting that god-awfull new lievery    , sad the A332 won´t be seen in Iberia´s classic livery though.

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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:41 am

What role would the 787-9 have? Capacity of the A330-300 with the range of the A346?
 
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:44 am

Quoting Iberia747256B (Reply 40):

I guess you wanted to say MVD and not UIO. Iberia flies to UIO and GYE and Air Europa doesn't.
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:47 am

Quoting mfc (Reply 42):
I guess you wanted to say MVD and not UIO. Iberia flies to UIO and GYE and Air Europa doesn't.

Yes meant Montevideo  sorry for the mistake, thanks for the heads up.
 
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:01 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
233 MTOW A330-200 should be able to fly 6000nm with around 32 tonnes of payload.

I expect they will order the latest 242t version which should be better.

But irrespective of that, I don't expect them to replace the A346 on MAD-SCL which is a trunk route for IB.
 
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:13 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 36):
IB deploys the A346 on both the MAD-UIO-MAD and MAD-UIO-GYE-MAD routes on certain days.
Oh a triangular route. Always a sign of great demand and high yields

That triangular route is(was?) forced by the altitude / runway length restrictions at UIO. I wonder if this is still the case at the new UIO. Can an A346 now make it back to Europe from the new UIO fully loaded (pax and full cargo), or are there still restrictions?
As far as pure demand is concerned, MAD-UIO is completely viable as standalone non-stop flight. Could be a nice future 789 destination...

The other former IB triangular routes were IMO an attempt to fill the [too large and too capable] A343 on thin routes, but the triangular routing drove down yields and made them unviable given the high cost base. IMO many could be reattempted as non-stops with A332's and the lower cost base (new labor agreements) - see what UX is doing.

Quoting sweair (Reply 41):
What role would the 787-9 have? Capacity of the A330-300 with the range of the A346?

I see the 789 as a great direct A343 replacement, so yes, in a way it's an A333 without the payload/range restrictions into LatAm.
 
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:51 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 45):
I wonder if this is still the case at the new UIO.

Since October 2013 Iberia flies 3x weekly MAD-UIO-MAD (IB6453/6452) and 4x weekly MAD-UIO-GYE-MAD (IB6463/6462).
I don't know if there are any restrictions but the runway at the new airport is 4100m long at an elevation of 2400m. Runways at MEX are 3900m long and the elevation is 2230m and I think there are no restrictions for the A346s.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 45):
The other former IB triangular routes were IMO an attempt to fill the [too large and too capable] A343 on thin routes

Nowadays the other triangle route is MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD because runway restrictions at GUA. I think that they can fill a 343 for GUA, but not sure about SAL. Combined they can even fill 346s without problems.

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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:58 pm

Quoting Iberia747256B (Reply 40):
It might have the range on paper, but I think many of you are forgetting what type of plane the A340-600 really is, which is a cargo plane, yes if used exclusively for passengeres it is the gaz-guzzling monster everybody says it is, but Iberia flies theese birds with the bellys full of cargo, it is not uncommon they have up to 20tonnes (metric) of cargo alone + the full compliment of 342pax on routes like SCL, EZE and GRU. I really doubt the A332 can lift a payload of 50-55tonnes (I think the last couple of -600´s received could lift 60t? not sure anyways) from EZE, SCL or GRU for that matter.
Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 44):
But irrespective of that, I don't expect them to replace the A346 on MAD-SCL which is a trunk route for IB.

Correct, and no one is suggesting that. I'm talking about adding to it. IB has many routes and frequencies that could benefit from the flexibility of having an A332 in the fleet. SCL being one example. Today SCL is 10x weekly with a mix of A346 and A343 but predominantly A346. Maybe they can go 2x daily with a mix of A346/A332. SAL is another such destination. Currently 4x weekly with A343. With an A332 it may support a bump in frequencies.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 45):
That triangular route is(was?) forced by the altitude / runway length restrictions at UIO. I wonder if this is still the case at the new UIO. Can an A346 now make it back to Europe from the new UIO fully loaded (pax and full cargo), or are there still restrictions?

That's odd. The A346 has the best altitude performance of any aircraft except the A380. For years it has flown routes like JNB-JFK and JNB-HKG, all much longer than UIO-MAD albeit not as high. The runway at UIO is 4,100m. The A346 should be able to do this route with minial payload restrictions, if any.
 
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:12 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 47):
The runway at UIO is 4,100m.

That's the new airport runway. The old airport runway was 3120m long.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 47):
SAL is another such destination. Currently 4x weekly with A343. With an A332 it may support a bump in frequencies.

Combined with GUA. On its own I don't think SAL could support even a A332. The GUA-MAD flight will need to stop somewhere unless the runway at GUA is extended.
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RE: Iberia To Order More A330s

Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:47 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 39):
I guess they could although use some A330s for the routes from MAD to TFS and LPA. Air Europe seems to make money using the heavies on that route, which IB also did in the past.

Since Iberia Express arrived in the Canaries, IBE wide bodies have all but stopped, any full IBE services that still operate to LPA (and TFN) seem to be with A321´s. Air Euopra seem to send their A330´s to the Canaries in the down time between longhaul at MAD, so what Iberia do with the A330/340 in the downtime I have no idea, maybe they don´t sit around much now if they can head out longhaul again quicker?.

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