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WiBi seems to be taking things slowly at the moment. I would have thought they were still to complete the natural icing trials - although I may have missed it. Is it that they are waiting for the right conditions?

What other major trials are still expected from WiBi? It does not do the long trips that GiGi is doing.
 
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Quoting starbucks (Reply 99):

Active again as FWZGG now, let's see where she'll go..

changed to AIB3GG now but will perhaps change back like they did on their European tour?
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MSN3 should leave for North America at the end of the day.

http://twitter.com/ririaviation/status/423506867248046080

She will do an two hours test flight in the meantime.

http://twitter.com/ririaviation/status/423508510043676672

[Edited 2014-01-15 09:41:39]
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 102):
MSN3 should depart at the end of the day.

You are a master investigator, extremely good job   . From being a contributor I am now one of the readers that return here every day to follow:

- "the hunt of the raccoon that escaped"  Wow! 

  

[Edited 2014-01-15 09:50:03]
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She keeps popping up on FlightRadar, hopefully it wont be long now!
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Quoting part147 (Reply 104):
She keeps popping up on FlightRadar, hopefully it wont be long now!

It's only 2:38pm in Martinique, they have enough time.
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Should depart around 1900 local back to Toulouse. Flight time in the neighbourhood of 8 hours.

Rough routing:
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Hmm not going to North America after all.
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Vertical speed -1024 fpm, the raccoon is digging a hole to China    Wow!   

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AIB3GG seems to be up and about heading in a SE direction passing FL230.

Anyone have any info?

D.
 
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MSN3 departed around 22:50UTC for TLS.

http://fr24.com/AIB3GG
http://virad.openskymap.net/VM511/IcaoReport.htm?icao=38935B
http://virad.openskymap.net/VM511/DateReport.htm?callsign=AIB03GG

I also found an interview with the crew in Martinique:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19q8vu_a350_news

It's in French, perhaps our French forum friends can post the key points in here?
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
It's in French, perhaps our French forum friends can post the key points in here?

I don't qualify as French, but I'll try anyway  

They were interested in the performance of the engines in hot temperatures and close to sea level, I think turbine temperature measurements were mentioned.

This explains why they flew so low the other day.
 
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
It's in French, perhaps our French forum friends can post the key points in here?

I can confirm what Schwege wrote, they have about 10°C in TLS right now and here they have about 30 so they take the chance to check how the engines performe in these temps.
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Quoting ferpe (Reply 113):
I can confirm what Schwege wrote, they have about 10°C in TLS right now and here they have about 30 so they take the chance to check how the engines performe in these temps.

Excellent. We are again fully up to date thanks to all these wonderful contributions to this thread.  .

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 107):
Hmm not going to North America after all.

What made them "change their minds?" Anyone?
 
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Visas, fingerprinting, TSA, etc...   
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Quoting EPA001 (Reply 114):
What made them "change their minds?" Anyone?

Maybe the weather forecast at the cold weather site is no longer suitable? Boeing had trouble finding somewhere cold enough for 787 certification, there is never a polar vortex when you need one  
BV
 
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Please forgive my French - this is what I was able to get...

Deriere moi, le petit dernier de l'avioneur airbus le 350.
Il n'y a que deux au monde.

Il est en face de test pour le moment pour obtenir sa certification, alors, celui-la arrive de La Paz en bolivia ou il a ete teste en tres haute altitude et il est chez nous pour etre teste dans les conditions de chaleur.

Alors, j'ai a mes cotes Patrick du Ché.
Pourquoi etre ici et qe'est-ce que vous allez controller lors du vol cette apres-midi?

Ce que nous interesse comme vous disez a l'instant c'est de tester l'avion dans les condtions de chaleur et a Touluse aujourd'hui il fait pas 30 degrees, it fait plutot une dizaine de degree, et ce que nous interesse est de tester le moteur a sea-level, donc au niveau de l'altitude de la mer, et dans les conditions chaudes.

Donc aujourd'hui ce sera un test au profil essentiallment de moteur.
Qu'est que vous allez observer precisement?
Ce qu'on observe, c'est le comportement du moteur ____ en generale.
En suite on s'interesse a la temperature turbine. On est sure qu'il ne passe pas la limit qu'on s'impose.

Tres bien, alors, Katrine, vous n'auriez pas la chance de voir des images de l'interior, mais moi, j'y suis alle - tout ce que je peux dire est qu'il y a un enormement des instruments a measure abord. Il n'y a pas de sieges comme dans les avions commercials que nous connaissons.

Les insturments measures eprouves analysent jusqu'a 600 000 donnees en meme temps, et donc cet avion devrait etre certificatee d'ice la fin de l'annee.
The premier compangie est livree la compagne de Qatar, mais l'avion devrait venir se poser ici car la compage present en a deja commandee .



Behind me the latest offering from Airbus, the A350 – there are only 2 in the world.
It's undergoing certification and arrived from La Paz where it performed high-altitude testing.
It is here for warm-weather testing.
Patrick du Ché - We've come here testing in warm weather, Toulouse is around 10 degrees, but here it's 30, and we're interested in testing at sea level and in warm conditions - it's a test of the engines. We'll see how they perform and check that the turbine temperatures stay within limits.
There's no seats on board, instead there is test flight equipment analysing 600 000 parameters at the same time.
The aircraft should be certified by the end of the year, with Qatar taking the first.
 
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The raccoon is home at 7:01 UTC
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Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 116):
Maybe the weather forecast at the cold weather site is no longer suitable?

Nowhere near cold enough in Iqalluit, Airbus are going to need 4 or 5 days of -30c but over the next week the forcast is -14c to -27c.
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Thanks for the translations everyone.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 114):
What made them "change their minds?" Anyone?

Perhaps there was no change and the info was incorrect. I have no idea.

Quoting ap305 (Reply 118):
The raccoon is home at 7:01 UTC

Departure was 22:45UTC.

Quoting part147 (Reply 115):
Visas, fingerprinting, TSA, etc

LOL
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That was a quick trip home 22:50 UTC to 7:01 UTC.
 
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 120):
Perhaps there was no change and the info was incorrect. I have no idea.

Bregier indicated in the press conf on Monday that she will go to Canada in a week's time.
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Quoting ap305 (Reply 122):
Bregier indicated in the press conf on Monday that she will go to Canada in a week's time.

Indeed, but that's only next week. If the crew had flown to North America yesterday, what would they do there until next week?
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 123):
Indeed, but that's only next week. If the crew had flown to North America yesterday, what would they do there until next week?

Yes- that is exactly what I meant   . My guess is that a new crew takes her from tls or perhaps msn1 may go?
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Those long flights count in the flight testing so it is not a waste of effort to fly to Canada via TLS. Also there is quite another set of equipment and clothes etc needed for -30 instead of +30 degrees  Wow!  , perhaps they have a special selection of test people that like the environment at Iqaluit or there was a toss of coins before the SA and NA campaigns and some won and others lost  
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In the meantime, here are a few stats:

> MSN1 logged 567 testing hours, about 70% of its target of 800 hours in 124 flights
> MSN3 logged 306 testing hours, about 51% of its target of 600 hours in 54 flights
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Video of MSN 3 landing and takeoff at FDF:

http://youtu.be/VIIFHUw1gic
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 123):
Indeed, but that's only next week. If the crew had flown to North America yesterday, what would they do there until next week?

Obviously they would spend a few days at CHS and PAE.  

Seriously though. If the weather in Canada doesn't co-operate. Do they have any back-up sites?
What is required from the airport except cold weather?

Would northern Europe airports such as KRN or RVN or LLA work if the weather is cold enough?
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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 127):

Very quiet! Take offs seem effortless. By the way the black trail coming out of the 727 is just unbelievable  
 
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AIB24WB on the move.
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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 127):
Video of MSN 3 landing and takeoff at FDF:

Thanks for sharing !

One can observe on the final turn, that the right set of ailerons accomplish what was called in Airbus lingo *the aileron waltz* during the 380 tests.
Seem they have a similar set-up and software here.
It's less visible whether there also is a *valse des rudders*.

Nice vid.
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Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 130):
AIB24WB on the move.

Airborne at 12:42UTC.
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AIB24WB back at 14:46 UTC.
 
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Flying fairly low and slow near the pyrennes. I wonder if the conditions were good for natural icing?
 
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Quoting StTim (Reply 134):
Flying fairly low and slow near the pyrennes. I wonder if the conditions were good for natural icing?

Practically no clouds in the area they flew...

http://wolken.buienradar.nl/nl/fr

To have some decent ice accumulation one at least needs some visible sub zero moisture I'd say...

[Edited 2014-01-17 07:26:16]
 
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Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 128):
Would northern Europe airports such as KRN or RVN or LLA work if the weather is cold enough?

Not a bad idea. The temp for KRN tomorrow is expected to be -38C, and below -25C for the next 5 days at least. Airbus did cold weather test of A300 (or A310, can't remember) at LLA, and KRN has also been used by both A and B for some sort of tests during the years.
 
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AIB27WB is out early and taxiing to the beginning of RWY14R  

//Edit: and airborne 7:58UTC
//Edit2: Callsign changed to AIB25WB, looks like landing at Istres...

[Edited 2014-01-18 00:32:51]
 
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Quoting starbucks (Reply 137):
looks like landing at Istres

Thought she was doing some kind of full procedure approach at Istres, but just landed at Marseille  
 
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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 127):
Video of MSN 3 landing and takeoff at FDF:

http://youtu.be/VIIFHUw1gic

Oh my... Those wingtips are just gorgeous.
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AIB27WB is airborne. not sure of takeoff time.
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Quoting jox (Reply 136):
Not a bad idea. The temp for KRN tomorrow is expected to be -38C, and below -25C for the next 5 days at least. Airbus did cold weather test of A300 (or A310, can't remember) at LLA, and KRN has also been used by both A and B for some sort of tests during the years.

KTT has the same weather. If I recall correctly A300 did some test in HEL too. They ran the plane on snow covered RW15/33  
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WiBi is airborne again, same call sign AIB27WB

For those interested, I'm logging them as 2 separate flights since they were at the flight test center for about 45 minutes after the first flight of today
 
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A nice photo taken of today's flight:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7438/12031483953_5a25019ccf_b.jpg
AIB127WB 19/1/2014 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
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Quoting jox (Reply 136):
Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 128):
Would northern Europe airports such as KRN or RVN or LLA work if the weather is cold enough?

Not a bad idea. The temp for KRN tomorrow is expected to be -38C, and below -25C for the next 5 days at least.

How come they are not going to Iqaluit this time, like they did with the A380?

Is it a question of cost? Money saving? Anything else?
They seemed to be really happy there at Iqaluit Nuunavut when they took the A380 there.

    
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Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 119):

Not cold enough at the moment as per quote from 3 days ago
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 144):

It wasn't said that they would go to Sweden or Finland, the question was IF Northern Europe WOULD work if the temperature was low enough...
 
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I haven't been following this from Part 1, so when reading through this thread, I was a bit confused by mentions of the 350 using its flaps in cruise. Does anyone have a link to a website describing this (and possibly all the other new features of the racoon)?
 
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AIB28WB took off at 8:55 UTC today.
 
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MSN1 just hit FL440  Wow! highest for the A350 so far!  

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