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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:47 am

A friend just sent me this article, looks like a WN flight landed at the wrong airport in Branson? Anyone have any more information?

http://www.jrn.com/ktts/news/Southwe...In-Branson-239847381.html?lc=Smart
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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:49 am

Looks like we posted at the same time... KSPR's Jerry Jacob is reporting this as well on his FB page:

Passenger jet, possibly Southwest Airlines, bound for Branson Airport lands at College of the Ozarks airport by mistake. No one injured, but passengers tell us the runway is too short to allow for a safe takeoff. More to come.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...3/history/20140112/2145Z/KMDW/KBBG

[Edited 2014-01-13 02:49:08 by SA7700]
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:49 am

I can't wait to hear more details about this. Thanks for posting.
 
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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:52 am

PLK has a 3780' runway (12/30) with a 300' displaced threshold, compared to BBG's 7140' (14/32). The airports are about 6 miles apart.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:54 am

Runway length is 3738 x 100 ft. - http://www.airnav.com/airport/KPLK

Can't wait to see the video if they decide to takeoff from the airport.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:56 am

Quoting CyberEntomology (Reply 1):
passengers tell us the runway is too short to allow for a safe takeoff

Ah, because passengers know best when it comes to takeoff distances

If a loaded 737 can make it out of SDU's 4100' runway an empty one can make it out of PLK's 3738ft one fine.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:58 am

Heck, they were able to get an empty Dreamliner off the ground at AAO in just under 4000', an empty 737 should be no problem.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:00 am

I just looked at an aerial shot and man that is a tiny airport. Seeing these large jets takeoff from tiny airports sure is entertaining, but it seems like its happening a lot.
I just watched the videos of the Ethiopian 767 taking off from that airport with a 5,000ft runway and that was fun to watch. I have a feeling that the 700 series 737 being the rocket that it is can probably do it without its load pretty easily, but im sure some of the pros will chime in here to let us know what kind of takeoff distances its capable of. Cant wait to see the videos of this one as well.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:03 am

On the bright side, PLK can now add 1% transient commercial aviation to the Airport Operational Statistics.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:12 am

Perhaps this is why WN is discontinuing service to BBG - they can't find it in the dark with both hands and a flashlight.
 
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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:14 am

"My dad is on that flight. He said it was a really bad landing."

"When it came over our cabin very low sounding with a Flubbing noise like it was flaming out and relighting. Then i get a text from Zane Morris, our flight Instructor telling me to check it out."


Here they come, boys...

Honestly, they landed, not in an emergency, at the wrong airport and people start making things up about an engine flameout.. ridiculous.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:15 am

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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:22 am

Quoting n797mx (Reply 6):
Ah, because passengers know best when it comes to takeoff distances

And don´t you suppose that info could have come from a PA from the cockpit?
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:28 am

Quoting n797mx (Reply 6):
Ah, because passengers know best when it comes to takeoff distances
Quoting AR385 (Reply 14):
And don´t you suppose that info could have come from a PA from the cockpit?

Thank you AR385. Most airline passengers would have no idea how long the runway they just landed on is.
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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:29 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 14):
And don´t you suppose that info could have come from a PA from the cockpit?

If a pilot told passengers that they landed on a runway that isn't safe enough for a take-off... well he's got more problems on his plate than a mistaken landing. LOL
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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:30 am

Passengers were probably told they could not take off and fly to the correct airport. I'm sure an empty 737 can do it no problem, but the passengers would have to be bused over.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:33 am

The wikipedia page on that airport provides a lot of info some interesting links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Graham_Clark_Downtown_Airport
 
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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:34 am

We were driving north up 65 from Hollister when I saw it coming in on approach from the NE. Clearly inbound from Midway. As we drove north, it made the right turn, as it was circling over to the approach for Rwy 14. When we caught up with it, it was about 2 miles west of 65 flying south bound. Seemed a little low, knowing the location and how far from the airport it was at that point. Did not think anything of it until reading this post.

They are really going to have some explaining to do on this one. It was a crystal clear night with no weather of any kind.

Anyone who is in the know as to how they are going to handle this, keep us in the loop. I am about an hour away and may go take video of the departure.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:38 am

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 16):
If a pilot told passengers that they landed on a runway that isn't safe enough for a take-off... well he's got more problems on his plate than a mistaken landing. LOL

Not at all. He probably told them they landed in a runway that was too short to takeoff with the current loads. Better that, than telling them "your cockpit crew after this landing cannot fly again until an investigation is completed." As that is the way in the US with a passenger carrying aircraft mistaking the airport.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:39 am

Who handles WN at Branson?
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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:40 am

Quoting midway7 (Reply 19):
They are really going to have some explaining to do on this one. It was a crystal clear night with no weather of any kind.

Wouldn't this type of situation be more likely to happen on a night like this though? The pilots were obviously flying visually and they made a mistake with which airport was the correct one. If the weather was bad, they would most likely be flying a published approach and this would have never happened. Just a thought.
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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:41 am

I have to say I cannot imagine how this can happen in the age of GPS, particularly with the frequency it's been occurring recently . I realize that unfamiliar airports can be easily confused from the air at night, but that would seem to argue for greater dependency on electronic navigational aids. This is a serious screw up, good thing the plane ended up in tact.

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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:45 am

Is January 2014 done yet? lol
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:47 am

Here's the flight track:
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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:47 am

Stockhouse007......
most likely yes. That's basically what happened with the dreamlifter. They were on a approach, the pilot spotted a runway thinking it was the correct one, noticed he was high, disconnected the autopilot and hand flew and landed at the wrong airport. This is what the company determined to be the main cause. So it seems like your right, being visual is actually a big contributing factor to these aircraft landing at the wrong airport.

[Edited 2014-01-12 18:49:04]
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:48 am

In that other thread about safest airlines, this just knocked WN down a notch or two.

Feel bad for the crew up front but glad nobody got hurt.
 
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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:49 am

To add insult to injury, the flight departed from the dreaded A4A-A4B area at MDW (A4B actual gate).

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 12):
"My dad is on that flight. He said it was a really bad landing."

Here they come, boys...

Honestly, they landed, not in an emergency, at the wrong airport

I'm sure it was a pretty bad landing, they probably hit the breaks pretty hard after landing starting to roll down the runway thinking they have 7000ft and then noticing, ah the end of the runway is coming up soon.
 
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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:52 am

perhaps WN is experimenting with the Amtrak model - take your passengers somewhere, then stick them on a bus for the final leg of the trip.
 
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WN Lands At Wrong Airport (Part 1)

Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:53 am

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 27):
In that other thread about safest airlines, this just knocked WN down a notch or two.

Why? Were there any fatalities?
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:53 am

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/southw...98/23895418/-/mrx15ez/-/index.html

Local news story with a statement from Southwest

[Edited 2014-01-12 18:54:31]
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:03 am

Quoting teneriffe77 (Reply 18):
The wikipedia page on that airport provides a lot of info some interesting links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Graham_Clark_Downtown_Airport

In their haste, the Wiki author that included today's event posted it to a section that begins with, "This airport was free of any fatal accident history for several decades, but there have been a few fatal accidents associated with the field in recent years, including:"

Whoops.


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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:04 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 30):
Why? Were there any fatalities?

Well maybe only one notch. Thankfully no. But incidents like this point to overall safety.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:06 am

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 33):
Well maybe only one notch. Thankfully no. But incidents like this point to overall safety.

Because those rankings are worth the used toilet paper they were written on. Anyway, this thread is about the incident tonight not the "Australia Visitor Bureau's" ad for Qantas. :-p
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:06 am

Personally, I would consider any landing in Branson to be a mistake.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:21 am

In their haste, the Wiki author that included today's event posted it to a section that begins with, "This airport was free of any fatal accident history for several decades, but there have been a few fatal accidents associated with the field in recent years, including:"
Whoops.


Ha ha, that was me ... thanks for posting this, I immediately corrected the entry.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:29 am

It was probably the same chimp that took over the controls from the FO last year and landed nose first. At least this time its able to fly away. Just Kidding Southwest fans dont report me.   
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:35 am

Definitely turned up the wick on the drama lamp from other news sources.

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 12):
"My dad is on that flight. He said it was a really bad landing."

Sounds like a pretty good landing planting a 37 on that short of a runway.

I just wonder if there will be terrain clearance issues along with wind direction to hop that aircraft out of there.
Pretty hilly over in that part of the country.

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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:39 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 30):
Why? Were there any fatalities?

Ridiculous assessment. Looking at only the outcome of an event is the worst way to determine how safe it actually was.

[Edited 2014-01-12 19:44:51]
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:44 am

Isn't WN discontinuing service to Branson soon?
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:47 am

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 24):
Is January 2014 done yet? lol

Yeah, seriously. Only 12 days in and thus far 2014 has not been kind to Southwest's P.R. team ...
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:47 am

And yet so many will argue that ATC plays no role in aviation... Had PLK been a controlled field and the pilots were cleared to land on a runway without matching numbers, may not have happened....
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:50 am

The crew was able to land and stop on 3700ft of rwy, thanks to being well rested due FAR 117. Unfortunately it was 3700ft at the wrong airport.   
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:50 am

Bit scary that you are communicating with the Tower at one airport and receiving clearance, but are landing at another airport that you haven't communicated with.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:51 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 40):
Isn't WN discontinuing service to Branson soon?

Southwest has been known to utilize secondary airports near the city you actually want to fly to. This might just be part of that strategy.      
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:54 am

Okay, if everyone is jumping on the bandwagon.

Instead of just missing the school they actually landed at one. (College of the Ozarks Airport)

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Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:01 am

Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 44):
Bit scary that you are communicating with the Tower at one airport and receiving clearance, but are landing at another airport that you haven't communicated with.

Yeah, this is America, where we have somewhere north of 10,000 landing facilities in the country. A vast majority of them don't have any control tower. From a legal standpoint, they did nothing illegal landing where they did without talking to anyone.

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Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:13 am

Quoting MrBuzzcut (Reply 45):
Southwest has been known to utilize secondary airports near the city you actually want to fly to. This might just be part of that strategy.

     
Haha! The SEA vs. BFI strategy emerges for a small leisure destination!

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 47):
From a legal standpoint, they did nothing illegal landing where they did without talking to anyone.

The FAA & WN might both feel otherwise. This happened a couple of times at NW, and both crews were disciplined.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:19 am

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 47):
Yeah, this is America, where we have somewhere north of 10,000 landing facilities in the country. A vast majority of them don't have any control tower. From a legal standpoint, they did nothing illegal landing where they did without talking to anyone.

-DiamondFlyer

You may have misunderstood my intent. No criticism. No judgement.
Aircraft fly fast, 6 miles is nothing. As a passenger, I've looked out the window many times and have seen multiple airport clearly in view.
I'm surprised this sort of thing doesn't happen more often.

Communicating with folks at one place but landing at another gives you a different set of expectations.
My point was that is a scary situation to be in. That's all.

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Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:20 am

Look at the far end of this runway and imagine what would have happened if they went off the end...


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Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:23 am

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 50):
Look at the far end of this runway and imagine what would have happened if they went off the end...

MDW back in December 2005 all over again
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