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ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:41 pm

According to the Chicago Tribune, airplane noise complaints have skyrocketed in Chicago since ORD opened its newest runway in October, and 2013 set a new record for ORD noise complaints.

Source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...3-20140113,0,3627414.column?page=1
 
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:40 pm

The article is behind a subscription wall, as are an annoyingly increasing number of metropolitan newspapers. Not even a 'few free articles per month' exemption, either. Could you please summarize the article for us?

Anyone who lives near ORD's new runway no doubt had lots of opportunity to comment on its construction, given the years and years the reconfiguration has been planned. I don't see them having any basis to complain now. Don't like airport noise? Don't live near ORD.

The reason the airport code is ORD, is because O'Hare was surrounded by a lot of orchards--not residential neighborhoods--when it was built. ORD was there first. And in order to function properly, it needed to be reconfigured, or lose hub business to less-delay-prone DTW and MSP.

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Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:51 pm

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 1):
Anyone who lives near ORD's new runway no doubt had lots of opportunity to comment on its construction, given the years and years the reconfiguration has been planned. I don't see them having any basis to complain now. Don't like airport noise? Don't live near ORD.

I wouldn't be that harsh, though you'd have to have your head in the sand to not realize you live next door, and now under the approach path to one of the busiest airports in the world. Same time, regardless of who or what was there first, stuff needs to be done to allow everything to coexist. So, I'd suspect that some of the noise complaints are frankly unfounded -- just now that the planes are a fair bit closer to your home you're going to get more noise. But I suspect some are legit and these complaints give the city some solid information on what area of properties should be offered some better noise abatement stuff (whatever that would entail).
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:57 pm

Actually, it's code is ORD because it used to be Orchard Air Force Base but there were orchards around it as well.

The noise complaits are to be expected because it used to be very, very rare to ever depart on one of the east/west runways to the west. This is just new people experiencing airplane noise for the first time and they're not used to it.

When the new far south runway (10R/28L) goes into operation, they'll wish for the good 'ole days when they only had 28R departures. People on Irving Park Road are going to get an eye and an earfull.
 
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:26 pm

I think any time you open new runway's noise complaints are going to go up, as mentioned already. Planes are where they didn't used to be in the past, or they are there with more frequecy.

I doubt the new Runway 10C-28C is really the source, since it is essentially only about 1/4 mile south of the old flightpath and is primarily a landing runway. Except for people directly beneath the landing path on the east side of the airport, there really isn't much impact.

What would be causing the noise reports is there are now East flow landings on runway 9L, which were virtually non-existent in the past, and many more west flow and east flow takeoffs on 10L-28R, and 9L-27R. I would also guess the extension of 10L-28R (when did it open?), and the resulting lower gluide path over residential neighborhoods to the west would result in some complaints.

What can't be measured is "compliments". For every person that is getting more air traffic over head, many residents, especially on the residential north and south side of the airport, are getting far fewer flights overhead. Runway 32R used to be a frequent departure runway and is now basiclly out of the rotation, Landings on runway 4R are now a thing of the past.
 
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:47 pm

Lets see if this works...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...3-20140113,0,3627414.column?page=1

The complaints are at an all time high because the local organizations are encouraging residents to call and complain. It's becoming political because it's an election year!
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:52 pm

Granted, these same areas wouldn't have been so directly near/under airliner noise back in the day, but people who complain about airline/airport noise these days, just don't even know what noise is! Imagine when 707s, DC8s, BAC-111s, etc. were regularly overflying! Even when I see the occasional 727 cargo plane depart near where I live now, I'm still surprised at how much louder it is than the planes we're used to seeing today.
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:55 pm

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 1):
Anyone who lives near ORD's new runway no doubt had lots of opportunity to comment on its construction, given the years and years the reconfiguration has been planned. I don't see them having any basis to complain now. Don't like airport noise? Don't live near ORD.

I am sure lots of people had the opportunity to comment but I am also quite sure that it had no affect on the plans. They haven't lost their basis to complain.

Many of the people complaining now, probably don't consider themselves living close to ORD. There are thousands of people that are a few miles from the airport that didn't get much noise previously or when the bought their house, but are now experiencing noise like they never expected. I feel for these people.

Likewise, there are lots of people that live under 22L/4R and 22R/4L runway approaches that will have their noise eliminated for the most part. I did a couple of projects in Glenview last year, directly under the approach to 22R but 7 miles from the end of the runway. I was shocked at how loud and relentless the airplane noise was. Of course I enjoyed it...

All that said - I am in full support of the OMP because I think it is good for the region's economy as a whole. But I do feel for the people that bought property a long time ago that did not have a noise issue and could never have anticipated the new layout of runways.

I also did a project in the bizarre little neighborhood west of the I-294 & I-90 interchange between the 27R and 27L approaches. This was pretty close to the airport but there isn't much noise but you can kind of hear rumbling from all directions, you just can't see the planes. But when the wind is blowing from the west, which it usually is, the smell of Jet-A isn't so sweet, is intoxicating... This neighborhood will be impacted when the 6th runway 27C/9C is built...

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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:59 pm

However, people living to the NW of ORD who were in affected by approaches to 14L/R are happy as can be since those runways are becoming extinct..

Of course, all of us can't understand people that don't like jet noise, or the smell of JetA....There must be something wrong with them.....
 
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:00 pm

I feel for the people who are now effected by the runways but trying to limit when these runways can be use is ridiculous and I agree with the cities hard line approach saying the specific runways will be closed only from 10pm to 7am. Moving the time to 9pm as some politicians have suggested creates more problems for ORD and in a way would handicap ORD and in particular both AA and UA because there are a lot of departures between 9pm and 10pm. So I agree with the city holding the line at 10pm because if they give in people will only say why not close it the runway at 8pm or 7pm. The statement if you give a mouse a cookie its going to want a glass of milk is true and while I feel for the people who are now impacted by noise Chicago can't afford to give in to their demands.
 
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:09 pm

Keep in mind that many of the people near the new runway are in Bensenville and Elk Grove Village, and were opposed to the expansion in the first place. This is NIMBY politics. Move along, nothing to see here. For what it's worth, the new runway layout has *reduced* noise in other directions (such as near my office.) Win some, lose some.
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:24 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 3):
Actually, it's code is ORD because it used to be Orchard Air Force Base but there were orchards around it as well.

Actually there was a farm there on the land where ORD sits today named Orchard something or another and the ORD reference is to that. I've heard people say the land was donated to the city for use as an airport free of charge was back when provided they have a reference to the original Orchard name somewhere in the airport. How true that is, I don't know.
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:10 am

Take statistics with a pinch of salt. I wouldn't be surprised if the huge number of new complaints comes from a very small number of actual people. I recall listening to the director at PHX make a presentation a few years ago, just after the flight patterns had been changed. There was a huge jump in complaints, something like over 80% of the complaints all came from one small residential area in North Scottsdale where the aircraft were usually above 10,000 feet by the time they arrived there, basically they complained about every flight. There was one 'activist' encouraging everyone.
 
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:26 am

This is my proximity to ORD:



Never once have I felt that the noise levels were too high. In fact, when we first moved here, I was shocked by how little airport noise there was to be heard.

This is all a farce.
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:37 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 12):
Take statistics with a pinch of salt. I wouldn't be surprised if the huge number of new complaints comes from a very small number of actual people. I recall listening to the director at PHX make a presentation a few years ago, just after the flight patterns had been changed. There was a huge jump in complaints, something like over 80% of the complaints all came from one small residential area in North Scottsdale where the aircraft were usually above 10,000 feet by the time they arrived there, basically they complained about every flight. There was one 'activist' encouraging everyone.

That sounds right, locally we have a bunch of NIMBYs protesting Frontiers 35 flights a week from Trenton-Mercer Airport and its very few number of people. Their Facebook group only has 45 likes where the TTN Facebook has 6X that. At Trenton, perhaps there is room for debate. At ORD, I have not one shred of sympathy for these people, you bought a house next to the 6th largest airport in the World, you probably got a deal because of it too. Just because you were lucky before not to have airplanes depart in that direction before doesn't mean you get to complain.

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1. Invest in soundproofing (not at the airports expense you were the one who bought/rented the home you deal with it)
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:48 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 11):
Actually there was a farm there on the land where ORD sits today named Orchard something or another and the ORD reference is to that. I've heard people say the land was donated to the city for use as an airport free of charge was back when provided they have a reference to the original Orchard name somewhere in the airport. How true that is, I don't know.

I was thinking it was ORcharD Field, but it was also Douglas Field at one time, where Douglas Aircraft built a factory to build C-54s.



Here's what WiKi has to say:


"The airport was constructed in 1942–43 as a manufacturing plant for Douglas C-54s during World War II.[13] The site was chosen for its proximity to the city and transportation.[13] The two million square foot (180,000 m²) factory needed easy access to the workforce of the nation's then-second-largest city, as well as its extensive railroad infrastructure. Orchard Place was a small nearby farming community.[13]

Douglas Company's contract ended in 1945 and though plans were proposed to build commercial aircraft, the company ultimately chose to concentrate production on the west coast. With the departure of Douglas, the airport took the name Orchard Field Airport, the source of its three-letter IATA code ORD."

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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:08 am

This is what the area looked like a half-century ago. Not much more than farmland nearby. I have absolutely zero pity for people who move into homes near a major airport and then bitch about the noise.

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Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:16 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16):
This is what the area looked like a half-century ago. Not much more than farmland nearby. I have absolutely zero pity for people who move into homes near a major airport and then bitch about the noise.

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Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:35 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16):

Well, to be fair, in that photo, it was still Douglas Field and hardly a major airport, at that time.
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Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:13 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16):
This is what the area looked like a half-century ago. Not much more than farmland nearby. I have absolutely zero pity for people who move into homes near a major airport and then bitch about the noise.

One of the problems is when people live in a location like on Liftsifter's map. They get along fine until the airport rearranges the runways.

I used to live in Schaumburg, under the flight path to the E-W runways. We could tell it was a cold morning by the sound of engines on takeoff, and that was about 8 miles out.
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:02 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16):
I have absolutely zero pity for people who move into homes near a major airport and then bitch about the noise.

   And they still cannot figure out why their house value is not appreciating much.
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:05 pm

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 1):
Don't like airport noise? Don't live near ORD.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16):
This is what the area looked like a half-century ago. Not much more than farmland nearby. I have absolutely zero pity for people who move into homes near a major airport and then bitch about the noise.
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 17):
amen!
Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 20):
And they still cannot figure out why their house value is not appreciating much.

You guys are missing the point...there are thousands of people that live miles from ORD that weren't previously located under a flight path and now they are. THEY DON'T LIVE NEAR THE AIRPORT. This isn't like moving next to a highway and then complaining about the highway. Airports have the ability to affect people in a very large area. Your dismissive flippant comments are ignorant and insensitive.



Quoting liftsifter (Reply 13):
This is my proximity to ORD:
Quoting liftsifter (Reply 13):
Never once have I felt that the noise levels were too high. In fact, when we first moved here, I was shocked by how little airport noise there was to be heard.

This is all a farce.

You are kidding right? So...since you experience little noise in your location...that must be true for everyone? You may live next to ORD but you don't live under a flightpath. Of course you don't experience much noise.

http://www.oharenoise.org/OMP.htm

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Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:11 am

In that photo I believe that was the original airport terminal building. It was used until around 1961-62 for all airlines. Then when the other terminals were built it became the international terminal. The one with the fishbowl customs down below.
It was demolished to make way in the 80's when UA built it's current terminal on the same spot.

That building was so small even when it was used as an international terminal I don't know how they ever fit everyone in there.
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Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:02 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16):
This is what the area looked like a half-century ago. Not much more than farmland nearby. I have absolutely zero pity for people who move into homes near a major airport and then bitch about the noise.

OMG we agree on something?

And honestly, with the next generation of turbofans, there won't be much to hear. I've seen the 787 take off, but have you heard a 787 take off from off airport property?

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Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:40 pm

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 14):
Their Facebook group only has 45 likes where the TTN Facebook has 6X that. At Trenton, perhaps there is room for debate.

The German City State of Bremen, with its Airport more or less in the city, puts the noise complains on a website with its full text, including the authorities replies. If you can read German, it makes for surreal fun. People even complain about ambulance flights and those taking donated organ somewhere. What do i care if someone dies without a transplant, i want it quiet! I assume you find those agitators anywhere....

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Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:12 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 21):
You guys are missing the point...there are thousands of people that live miles from ORD that weren't previously located under a flight path and now they are. THEY DON'T LIVE NEAR THE AIRPORT. This isn't like moving next to a highway and then complaining about the highway. Airports have the ability to affect people in a very large area. Your dismissive flippant comments are ignorant and insensitive.

If someone purchased property 30+ years back I accept my ignorance and extend my apologies. But I don't have any sympathy towards a buyer bought a property recently without any knowledge about airport expansion plans or flight paths Real estate agents make borderline false statements to push property, it is buyers responsibility and generally they are slightly cheaper than other properties.

It is not just ORD. For example, how many consider future 12R/30L @IAD when they are buying a home in VA.
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Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:21 pm

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 24):
People even complain about ambulance flights and those taking donated organ somewhere. What do i care if someone dies without a transplant, i want it quiet! I assume you find those agitators anywhere....

Lurie Children's Hospital, which is the chief pediatric hospital in the Chicago area, receives complaints of this such all of the time. About two years ago, they built a brand new facility in the heart of the economic district, and it was held up for a variety of reasons, but the excuse that the NIMBY residents used was that the helicopters would present a noise and safety hazard. They lost, both because the hospital has a good safety record, and because, well, come on -- flying in deathly ill children?
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Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:30 pm

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 25):

If someone purchased property 30+ years back I accept my ignorance and extend my apologies

I don´t really share that pitty. Everyone is expecting that his income is increasing, everyone is assuming the economy is going to grow forever ... but somehow people are surprised if that is also true for Airports? By the time you buy real estate, you should be smart enough to understand that more travel and better economy are somehow connected.
I guess rounding those people up and place them a couple of 100 yards directly in front of a 727 during engine run up would give some perspective to how quiet aircraft have gotten over the decades.
One of my favorite anecdotes is how the university of Berlin was supposed to make a noise survey for the good old Tempelhof Airport. The survey was kept quiet for a simple reason, in the addendum the scientists wrote that it was very difficult to gather the noise data they needed, because the rest of the city was often louder than the planes. ....

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Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:35 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 26):
They lost, both because the hospital has a good safety record, and because, well, come on -- flying in deathly ill children?

In Germany, thank god, that is not up for discussion. The law is simple, ambulance flights just don´t need a permission. EoD. Seems to piss many people of. If 100% of the curfew violations are ambulance flights, at some point you should start thinking "oh, another ambulance flight" and not go and write up a complaint.

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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:12 pm

Not only are aircraft quieter, but ORD is no where near being the busiest airport in the world like it used to be. Remember the multi-year event where ATL was *trying* to pass ORD in passenger traffic? In the 1990s IIRC.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's...iest_airports_by_passenger_traffic

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 1):
And in order to function properly, it needed to be reconfigured, or lose hub business to less-delay-prone DTW and MSP.

   But its not just DTW and MSP, ORD is competing nationally and internationally.

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 5):
The complaints are at an all time high because the local organizations are encouraging residents to call and complain. It's becoming political because it's an election year!

Ahhh.... Drive away jobs because...

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 6):
people who complain about airline/airport noise these days, just don't even know what noise is! Imagine when 707s, DC8s, BAC-111s, etc. were regularly overflying!

Nothing like a JT-3D.

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 13):
This is my proximity to ORD:

You live in the pond!?!  
Quoting mayor (Reply 15):
"The airport was constructed in 1942–43 as a manufacturing plant for Douglas C-54s during World War II.

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Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:36 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 22):
In that photo I believe that was the original airport terminal building. It was used until around 1961-62 for all airlines. Then when the other terminals were built it became the international terminal. The one with the fishbowl customs down below.
It was demolished to make way in the 80's when UA built it's current terminal on the same spot.

That building was so small even when it was used as an international terminal I don't know how they ever fit everyone in there.

I believe that building was Butler Aviation, also.
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Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:53 pm

Quoting desertjets (Reply 2):
So, I'd suspect that some of the noise complaints are frankly unfounded

Not really fair when the airport has expanded to so many new areas. Now there are at minimum 4 or 5 runways being used all at once, that must affect more people than in previous years.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:11 pm

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 24):
The German City State of Bremen, with its Airport more or less in the city, puts the noise complains on a website with its full text, including the authorities replies. If you can read German, it makes for surreal fun. People even complain about ambulance flights and those taking donated organ somewhere. What do i care if someone dies without a transplant, i want it quiet! I assume you find those agitators anywhere....

Can you find me a link, I don't speak German but I'm sure the translation out of Google Chrome will be sufficient for me to get the idea.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:14 pm

I grew up 1.5 miles from ORD directly under 22L. These people haven't heard noise like older 727's and older 737-200's screaming directly overhead. THAT was noise!
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:17 pm

Quoting Manta (Reply 33):
I grew up 1.5 miles from ORD directly under 22L. These people haven't heard noise like older 727's and older 737-200's screaming directly overhead. THAT was noise!

Or CV880s, DC-8s, BAC1-11s, KC135s, etc.
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Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:29 pm

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 32):
Can you find me a link, I don't speak German but I'm sure the translation out of Google Chrome will be sufficient for me to get the idea.

Sure: http://www.umwelt.bremen.de/de1/deta...p?gsid=bremen179.c.10430.de&skip=0

I especially like the guy that always complains about the same Lufthansa bird from Munich.. that touches usually down a few minutes early....

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Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:38 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 34):
Or CV880s, DC-8s, BAC1-11s, KC135s, etc.

KC135's taking off to the east were intense. The entire house would shake and windows would rattle. What a rush that was.
 
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:46 pm

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 1):
Anyone who lives near ORD's new runway no doubt had lots of opportunity to comment on its construction, given the years and years the reconfiguration has been planned. I don't see them having any basis to complain now. Don't like airport noise? Don't live near ORD.

The reason the airport code is ORD, is because O'Hare was surrounded by a lot of orchards--not residential neighborhoods--when it was built. ORD was there first. And in order to function properly, it needed to be reconfigured, or lose hub business to less-delay-prone DTW and MSP.

If you listen to WLS-AM, you know that afternoon personality Roe Conn has had plenty to say about this over the years. He once said that if you lived near Orchard Field or Orchard Place Airport (it was called both before WWII) before the Douglas plant was built during WWII, then you can complain. No one thought that little general aviation airport would become Chicago-O'Hare.

If, however, you moved to an area near O'Hare, say in the late 1950s, when the City of Chicago started construction of the original terminal (it becam the international terminal, before being razed for the current United terminal), then you have no one to blame but yourself. Everyone knew that 707s and DC-8s were coming, and that they couldn't use MDW.

What I do find interesting is the number of complaints coming from Chicago residents. There were no complaints from Chicago residents living east of O'Hare, when the plans for O'Hare modernization were being formed in the 1980s and 1990s. Considering the plan for 6 east-west runways, I couldn't see how Chicago residents east of the airport weren't going to have more noise. My guess is that Chicago residents, who knew better than to gripe about what Mayor Daley was planning, now believe they can complain without fear of retribution from City Hall.
 
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:59 pm

Quoting Manta (Reply 36):
Quoting mayor (Reply 34):Or CV880s, DC-8s, BAC1-11s, KC135s, etc.
KC135's taking off to the east were intense. The entire house would shake and windows would rattle. What a rush that was.

When we and TWA got rid of our 880s, I thought ORD was going to be a little quieter to work at. About that time, the ANG got rid of their KC-97s and converted to KC-135s. Sometimes you just can't win.
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:00 pm

When I was touring the Space & Rocket Center in Huntsville, the tour guide told us this story:

Back when they were regularly test firing the really loud rocket engines (most likely the Saturn V) they would announce the time and date of the planned test in the local newspaper so that nearby residents would be prepared. After each test, the government would receive claims for broken windows and such due to the noise, and being the government, they would track the average number of claims per test and the average dollar amount paid out and then fund the overall program budget accordingly. One day they had to scrub a planned test at the last minute and did no test at all that day, but they still received an average number of claims for broken windows and such due to the noise from the rocket engine test that never happened on that date.

I can't help but wonder if a similar situation is going on in Chicago in that residents have read that there will be increased noise levels from the airport in some areas and are complaining because of that announcement much more than they are complaining about a noticeable change in the ambient noise level inside their homes.
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:07 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 37):
There were no complaints from Chicago residents living east of O'Hare, when the plans for O'Hare modernization were being formed in the 1980s and 1990s. Considering the plan for 6 east-west runways, I couldn't see how Chicago residents east of the airport weren't going to have more noise. My guess is that Chicago residents, who knew better than to gripe about what Mayor Daley was planning, now believe they can complain without fear of retribution from City Hall.

Except that most of ORD's approach paths are in the suburbs, and so cover citizens who had little to fear from Daley. Their municipalities were likely hostile to Daley, for reasons having nothing to do with the airport.

[Edited 2014-01-16 10:13:45]
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:23 pm

Are there any figures about how many noise complaints MDW gets? There are houses near Midway that are probably closer to the end of the runways than the approach lights are to some of ORD's runways.
 
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RE: ORD Noise Complaints At An All-time High

Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:25 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 40):
Their municipalities were likely hostile to Daley, for reasons having nothing to do with the airport.

Many of us, who lived in the suburbs (or "downstate" according to those in Chicago and Cook County) were hostile towards Daley and how they controlled the state, much to our detriment.
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