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When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:38 pm

Just interested in when Etihad, Rojal air Jordanian and Saudi Arabian airlines will launch LAX???

What type of aircraft will be used?

I'm sure Etihad and Saudi will use 777s, but about RJ? 787 or the A340?

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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:48 pm

EY: 01Jun14, 77W
SV: 31Mar14, 772
RJ: none, they don't have plans for LAX right now.
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:26 pm

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 1):
RJ: none, they don't have plans for LAX right now.

Yes, it does. Via Vienna. It has received approval for the route from Austrian authorities.
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:32 pm

If RJ were to follow through with their plans, would they come with an A342 or A330 or just wait for the 787 to arrive?

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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:35 pm

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 1):
EY: 01Jun14, 77W

I thought EY was using a 77L for the LAX service? Same as their DFW service.
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:38 pm

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 3):
If RJ were to follow through with their plans, would they come with an A342 or A330

AMM-LAX is 12259 km and is therefore not doable with the A332. It would have to be the A342.

As for a possible stop in VIE, did Austria grant unlimited 5th freedom rights or with restrictions? Without a proper 5th, AMM-LAX ain't happening.

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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:45 pm

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):

Just interested in when Etihad, Rojal air Jordanian and Saudi Arabian airlines will launch LAX???

Its called Wikipedia, use it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Los_Angeles_International_Airport

And yes, its trustworthy, as long as it is sourced.

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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:47 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 5):

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 3):
If RJ were to follow through with their plans, would they come with an A342 or A330

AMM-LAX is 12259 km and is therefore not doable with the A332. It would have to be the A342.

Thenoflyzone

They will fly via VIE which is 9,877km, within the range of a 332.
 
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:54 pm

Didn't Austrian serve LAX in the past. If RJ did get 5th freedom rights, maybe OS can relaunch LAX in order to kick out RJ.
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:04 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 8):
Didn't Austrian serve LAX in the past. If RJ did get 5th freedom rights, maybe OS can relaunch LAX in order to kick out RJ.

I don't see OS doing that. It's a stretch to say there's enough traffic for one airline much less two. You might want to check to see if RJ and OS have a code share on that flight.
 
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:07 am

Isn't SV supposed to use a 77W for LAX? I doubt a 77E can make it with a full load and no restrictions.
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:11 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 4):
I thought EY was using a 77L for the LAX service? Same as their DFW service.

EY doesn't have 77L's  
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:01 am

Quoting a321luke (Reply 10):
Isn't SV supposed to use a 77W for LAX? I doubt a 77E can make it with a full load and no restrictions.

A 77E and 77W have almost the same range, both at 14,000km + with full load.



Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 9):
You might want to check to see if RJ and OS have a code share on that flight.


Let RJ announce the route first, then well see! Nothing official so far.

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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:44 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 13):
A 77E and 77W have almost the same range, both at 14,000km + with full load.

True, I forgot the difference was that little. But still, would the 77E make it with a full load year round?
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:57 am

Quoting a321luke (Reply 15):
True, I forgot the difference was that little. But still, would the 77E make it with a full load year round?


During days with strong winter headwinds on the westbound leg, probably not. But neither would the 77W. (30 minutes more range, which is not much)

At 13409 km, JED-LAX would be the longest 77E flight in the world. That title is currently held by UA on its daily EWR-HKG service, coming in at 12980 km, and which doesn't have to content with the headwinds that JED-LAX will contend with.

So a 77W would be better, as its range is about 30 min longer than the 77E, and every bit helps.

According to the following source, the flights will be operated by the 77E. I wouldnt be surprised if that changes though.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/12/10/sv-lax-s14/

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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:09 am

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 11):

The first a.net thread about the subject a few months ago suggested that they would be getting some, but maybe plans have changed?
 
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:38 am

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 11):

Pretty sure they're getting some 77Ls from AI or somebody.
 
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:54 am

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 14):
At 13409 km, JED-LAX would be the longest 77E flight in the world. That title is currently held by UA on its daily EWR-HKG service, coming in at 12980 km, and which doesn't have to content with the headwinds that JED-LAX will contend with.

I sincerely doubt that they will have to worry about full loads on this flight, except for flights around school holidays. My guess is that weight restrictions would not be much of an issue, even if full of belly cargo.
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:31 am

SV seat map shows a high density 777-200/ER for the LAX route.

EY is to buy/lease 5 777-200/LRs from Air India.

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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:44 am

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 11):
EY doesn't have 77L's

As part of the recent deal where Etihad bought into Jet. GOI pretty much dumped most of the airworthy AI 77Ls onto Etihad as pre-condition

They are to receive 5 of them come spring.

Air India will retain 2 and the one they broke. I believe these two may replace the government contracted 744.
 
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:54 am

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 1):
EY: 01Jun14, 77W

EY will use a A340-500 from June 1st - July 14, instead of the 777-200LR. The 777-200LR is now scheduled to enter service to LAX from July 15
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:57 am

Can't see SV lasting long on this route.
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:19 pm

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 21):

Can you tell us why?
 
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:21 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 18):
SV seat map shows a high density 777-200/ER for the LAX route.

Almost certainly wrong !

Those high density 77Es are normally deployed on domestic regional and flight to the sub-continent. they are rare visitors even to Europe.

I was under the impression they were going to deploy a 77W on this service however these are only two class so the obvious choice would be their 77L (internal code not and LR!) frame in the range HZ-AKA- HZ-AKK (excluding HZ-AKF)
 
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:06 pm

Wasn't MS going to re-start CAI-LAX via an European airport sometime soon too?
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:11 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 20):
EY will use a A340-500 from June 1st - July 14, instead of the 777-200LR.

Cool! With SQ discontinuing their nonstop, it would be nice to see an A340-500 again for a little while.
 
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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:22 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 23):
Almost certainly wrong !
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 23):
Almost certainly wrong !

Those high density 77Es are normally deployed on domestic regional and flight to the sub-continent. they are rare visitors even to Europe.

I was under the impression they were going to deploy a 77W on this service however these are only two class so the obvious choice would be their 77L (internal code not and LR!) frame in the range HZ-AKA- HZ-AKK (excluding HZ-AKF)

I was very surprised when I saw this but I did make a dummy booking and when I saw the seat map, that's what I saw. Try it yourself. I'm very aware that the high density configuration are very rare in Europe. Perhaps the flight will be very weight restricted and the high density version is more available to operate the flight.

I'll check again as it gets closer and we'll see what shows up when they start.

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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:08 pm

This is a copy of the seat map :

From Los Angeles to Jeddah
On Thursday 17 April 2014 at 15:00
To select a seat click on the desired seat for each traveler.

Passengers
1. Passenger 1

Legend
Your seat Occupied Available Window Exit Wing
A
B
C
D
E
H
J
K
L
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The low-density configuration stops at row 49 in the back. Economy starts at row 30 on both configurations.

The flight will most likely be heavily weight restricted, perhaps 100 seats in the back. So better to use a high density aircraft and the low density aircraft are probably heavily used to Europe.

We'll see what shows up when they start flying.

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RE: When Do SV, EY & RJ Start LAX? And What Aicraft

Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:19 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 23):
I was under the impression they were going to deploy a 77W on this service however these are only two class so the obvious choice would be their 77L (internal code not and LR!) frame in the range HZ-AKA- HZ-AKK (excluding HZ-AKF)

They have two versions these days, 30J/383Y and 24F/36J/245Y.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 26):
I was very surprised when I saw this but I did make a dummy booking and when I saw the seat map, that's what I saw. Try it yourself.

I did, and you get indeed a seatmap with rows 30-59 in a 3-3-3 configuration. The high-density 772's have rows 30-61 plus a smaller section behind J class, which is numbered 3-6, but more important, it's all 3-4-3 in Y and not 3-3-3 as shown on the seatmap in the dummy booking.
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