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SCL767
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TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:20 am

Effective 17MAR14, TAM will suspend its thrice weekly non-stop service between GIG and LHR. TAM will resume GIG-LHR 3x weekly from 03JUN14 through 19JUL14 for the World Cup.

http://www.panrotas.com.br/noticia-t...m-marco-veja-comunicado_96074.html
 
tonytifao
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:16 am

No surprises here with Brazilian economy deteriorating!
 
SCL767
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:23 am

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 1):
No surprises here with Brazilian economy deteriorating!

LATAM plans to utilize the 767-316ER currently deployed on the GIG-LHR route to reinforce frequencies from certain destinations in Brasil to LATAM's focus city at MIA.
 
ba319-131
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:31 am

Anyone know if the loads have been suffering significantly since BA upped it's frequency and capacity in this city pairing?
111 732 733 734 735 736 73G 738 739,7M8 BBJ 741 742 743 744 752 753 762 763 764 772 77L 773 77W L15 D10 D30 D40 AB3 AB6 312 313 318 319 320 20N 321 21N 332 333 342 343 345 346 359 351 388 CS1 CS3 I86 154 SSJ CRJ CR7 CR9 CRK 145 170 175 220
 
FCAFLYBOY
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:04 am

I bet BA are rubbing their hands together, having already upped frequency a while back. Strange that TAM cannot make this route work though.., still if oneworld partner BA is covering it, no major loss to them.
 
TC957
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:17 am

Didn't BA state a while back that GIG is amongst their most profitable routes ? Yes, very odd indeed that with TAM's domestic feed and the build up to the World Cup they drop this servive.
I hope VS take up this route, they've been on about a Brazil service for a good while now.
 
SCL767
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:19 am

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 4):
Strange that TAM cannot make this route work though..

The GIG-LHR route was supposed to end since Q42013. However, for strategic purposes TAM continued to operate it, i.e."slot-sitting"...
 
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:27 am

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 4):
Strange that TAM cannot make this route work though

How many passengers are flying to LON rather than connecting? What are the connection opportunities?

A while back I was looking to visit a friend in ZRH and pulled up the options on CX ... all of which tried to connect me through LHR and on BA. The LHR - ZHR sector was only available as full Y -- result was an utterly unaffordable flight.

If BA has the same policy on connecting PAX from TAM, it would make any connection unfeasible. Pax flying on BA all the way would have much more affordable options than transferring pax. If TAM is relying on O&D pax, I can see why this route isn't working -- insufficient O&D demand and a 3x weekly schedule putting business travelers off.
 
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:57 am

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 1):
No surprises here with Brazilian economy deteriorating!

Wow... I wonder if that has something to do with the state of the Brazilian economy. You only hear bad things about Brazil lately...!

How is the local market doing? I guess with TAM, Gol, Azul and Avianca... it is going to be a bloodbath soon with some necessary consolidation.
 
SKAirbus
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:05 am

Will they keep serving GRU?

Maybe passengers are just getting confused and booking BA... Their slogans are after all very similar:

TAM: Passion to fly and serve

BA: To Fly, To Serve
Base: BRU
 
C010T3
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:42 am

This is about TAM's inability to compete in non-restricted market.

BA upgauged the LHR-GIG to 77W this season.
LH is upgauging FRA-GIG to 744 next season.

TAM is pulling out several routes at GIG because the airport is wide open for new service. TAM only thrives at its fortress hub at GRU, where other carriers have difficulty adding service.

With the opening of the new terminal at GRU this year, a window of opportunity will become available for expansion. Expect TAM to drain services from other stations in order to expand rapidly at GRU, so that they can block slots for rival carriers. It's all being done ahead of the US-Brazil Open Skies agreement coming into force.
 
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:17 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
The GIG-LHR route was supposed to end since Q42013. However, for strategic purposes TAM continued to operate it, i.e."slot-sitting"...

TAM was slot-sitting on an LHR slot for who? LAN?
Would they sell it to BA/ AA?

AA1818
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:13 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 1):
o surprises here with Brazilian economy deteriorating!

Right on. And it's going to get worst...
First, I said 'hey' and then I said 'now'. "Hey Now!" - Hank K.
 
SCL767
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:16 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 9):
Will they keep serving GRU?

Yes, TAM will continue to operate GRU-LHR daily with the 77W.

Current Schedule:
JJ8084 GRU 23:55 LHR 13:15+1 77W Daily
JJ8085 LHR 20:15 GRU 06:05+1 77W Daily

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 10):
With the opening of the new terminal at GRU this year, a window of opportunity will become available for expansion.

Indeed. TAM already plans to increase frequencies on various domestic routes from the Guarulhos hub, i.e. GRU-AJU, GRU-BEL, GRU-FOR, GRU-JOI, GRU-JPA, GRU-MAO, GRU-MCZ, GRU-NAT, GRU-RAO, GRU-REC, GRU-SSA, etc.
 
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:10 pm

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 11):
TAM was slot-sitting on an LHR slot for who? LAN?

Would be good if the slots went to LAN for a service from SCL or LIM.
 
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:40 pm

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 4):

BA´s product is MUCH nicer than JJ´s for this route.
Be safe guys.
Bruno.
 
FCAFLYBOY
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:17 pm

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 7):

That's not BA or TAM policy. It's likely that your flight was just very heavily booked on to ZRH and therefore only Y was available. They only time I have seen Y classes used in interline agreements is when a passenger flying J class is taking another flight where either there is no J class cabin, or it's fully booked.

Most BA economy interlines are N/S/L classes
 
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:53 pm

Amazing considering how strong the RIO-LON market become.
The last move is from Land Rover to establish a factory near Rio... a 247 mm investment.... this after Shell, Wellstream (now on GE hands), Lloyds of London, Rolls Royce, Rexam, BP, BG, Glaxo Smithkline, Souza Cruz BAT... only to talk about large groups.
I flew this route 3 times the past 2 years, all times packed (BA).

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
The GIG-LHR route was supposed to end since Q42013. However, for strategic purposes TAM continued to operate it, i.e."slot-sitting"...

Probably because demand for Rio in January and February is very strong while other markets do not have a strong business activity these months.
GIG-LHR was cancelled to use the plane and to help fill more the remaining route.
But see... they will run it during World Cup.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 5):
Didn't BA state a while back that GIG is amongst their most profitable routes ? Yes, very odd indeed that with TAM's domestic feed and the build up to the World Cup they drop this servive.
I hope VS take up this route, they've been on about a Brazil service for a good while now.

Go figure out TAM... BA is very happy, yes, and I hope to see VS !!!!
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
 
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:30 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
Go figure out TAM... BA is very happy, yes, and I hope to see VS !!!!

Hope to see VS too and hope to se BA changing its schedule in GIG to redeye both ways.

TAM in Rio? Don't count on that.
Please insert a "smart" joke here.
 
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:00 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 10):
This is about TAM's inability to compete in non-restricted market.

[quote=LipeGIG,reply=17]Amazing considering how strong the RIO-LON market become.
The last move is from Land Rover to establish a factory near Rio... a 247 mm investment.... this after Shell, Wellstream (now on GE hands), Lloyds of London, Rolls Royce, Rexam, BP, BG, Glaxo Smithkline, Souza Cruz BAT... only to talk about large groups.
I flew this route 3 times the past 2 years, all times packed (BA).

This shouldn't come as a surprise. Wouldn't be shocked to see them reduce MAD too. Simply put they can't or don't want to compete in their alliance partners' hubs. That's why they never served LIS which is possibly the largest market from Brazil, or IAD, or EWR, or ORD. IIRC, FRA was the only *A hub that TAM ever served and that was only a measly single flight.
 
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:11 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 19):
FRA was the only *A hub that TAM ever served and that was only a measly single flight.

What's the plan for GRU-FRA after exiting Star? Switch to 763ER ?

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 10):
This is about TAM's inability to compete in non-restricted market.

BA upgauged the LHR-GIG to 77W this season.
LH is upgauging FRA-GIG to 744 next season.

TAM dba TAM before was doing fine, but LAN Brasil dba TAM is problematic. Between the 2014 World Cup and 2016 Summer Games, how could they possibly be shrinking (even if the Brazillian economy isn't as hot as it used to be) ?
 
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:01 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 20):
TAM dba TAM before was doing fine, but LAN Brasil dba TAM is problematic. Between the 2014 World Cup and 2016 Summer Games, how could they possibly be shrinking (even if the Brazillian economy isn't as hot as it used to be) ?

TAM (LAN) do not care about specific routes. When they "merge" LA announced the plans to strength of GIG hub.... one year later, with the Brazilian Economy doing bad (and Rio is growing 2x faster than Brazil) everything changed and they decided to cut the 2nd hub... easy way.

Quoting af086 (Reply 18):
Hope to see VS too and hope to se BA changing its schedule in GIG to redeye both ways.

That's the good side of TAM axing this route. It shows to foreign airlines an opportunity. Specially now that BA decided to upgrade Sao Paulo to 10x weekly. Rio represents more of the top corporate world of England in Brazil (not to forget about the oil & gas ties to Aberdeen and London it self) , so we may expect more flights.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
 
OlympicATH
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:04 am

Shame. Flew this route a couple of years ago for carnival specifically because it was redeye both ways. Mind you BA was cheaper and I was/am Executive Club Silver.
 
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:47 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 8):
Wow... I wonder if that has something to do with the state of the Brazilian economy. You only hear bad things about Brazil lately...!

How is the local market doing? I guess with TAM, Gol, Azul and Avianca... it is going to be a bloodbath soon with some necessary consolidation.

Well to see them "consolidating" we'd need a 9th freedom! that would be a dream, I'm sick of being ripped off by our own airlines.
 
incitatus
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:50 pm

UA is cutting their GRU-GIG tag as well starting June 05.
I do not consume Murdoch products including the Wall Street Journal
 
a380787
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RE: TAM Axes GIG-LHR

Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:31 pm

Quoting incitatus (Reply 24):
UA is cutting their GRU-GIG tag as well starting June 05.

Any chance another GIG nonstop would be launched to replace that, say, EWR-GIG ? A single IAH-GIG is thoroughly uncompetitive

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