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Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:48 pm

It has been reported on Arik Air's Facebook page that they will announce routes to Africa, Asia and North America.
www.facebook.com/FlyArikAir

Any guesses on W3 next routes?

Arik Air's international fleet:

Airbus A330-200
Airbus A340-500 (Operated by Hi Fly)
Boeing 777-300ER (2 on order)
Boeing 787-9 (7 on order)

{Please note that Arik Air converted their 2 747-8i order to 2 77W}

[Edited 2014-01-15 09:39:46]
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RE: Arik Air To Annouce New Routes.

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:16 pm

Asia -LOS-PEK/PVG/DXB
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RE: Arik Air To Annouce New Routes.

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:21 pm

LOS - China is a pretty long route, hope they may pick up the ex-SQ A345's if they want to launch those services.
 
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RE: Arik Air To Annouce New Routes.

Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:22 pm

YYZ has been rumoured, but as usual who knows how reliable that is or just wishful thinking. I also never know what to believe with Arik and think I will believe it when I see it.
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:12 pm

It'll be hard to tell what are the new routes. They currently don't have enough planes. The 787-9 is currently scheduled to arrive in 2017
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:50 pm

According to this article:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...her-government-interference-100297


We might see in a near future:

* Lagos - Houston
* Abuja - Kano - Jeddah
* Accra - London
* Freetown - London

Quoting TC957 (Reply 2):
LOS - China is a pretty long route, hope they may pick up the ex-SQ A345's if they want to launch those services.

And maybe they should operate like this LOS - DXB/DOH/AUH - China
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:50 am

I do not know how they are going to pay for the new aircraft. Arik Air is so indebted that a Nigerian Government Agency - AMCON owns a significant stake in Arik Air through debt conversion.
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:47 pm

I thought they were doing poorly to JFK. How are their loads?
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:54 pm

Quoting AF022 (Reply 7):
I thought they were doing poorly to JFK. How are their loads?

I thought they were doing poorly everywhere... JFKLOS has averaged 58% 12ME JUN13. On a 345. That's a total disaster.
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:26 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
It has been reported on Arik Air's Facebook page that they will announce routes to Africa, Asia and North America.
www.facebook.com/FlyArikAir

based on the chatter on the IAH thread….IAH might be the NA route.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
I thought they were doing poorly everywhere... JFKLOS has averaged 58% 12ME JUN13. On a 345. That's a total disaster.

And if they started IAH, UA will eat them alive.
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:27 pm

resuming its 2xweekly flights from LOS to AUH and announcing flights to JED
JED is a big market for Nigeria
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:05 pm

I would love to see LOS - IAD. Dulles already has 2 nonstop routes to Africa, one to DKR and one to ADD. Plus, there's no UA competition on those routes.
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:12 pm

Nigerian Gov and companies might be talking with Arik.
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:16 pm

Quoting AF022 (Reply 7):
How are their loads?

As you know already, revenue is more important than loads !
But i do agree with you on the principle since they are not flying to US daily, and maybe because of slots restrictions ...  .

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
I thought they were doing poorly everywhere...

I believe (and *guess* only) that JNB is doing well since they've recently upguaged the 737 for an A345 to one of the largest Nigerian community destination in Africa. Months ago i remembered talking to some Naija people travelling with KQ, WB and ET because both direct routes were absolutely packed even in J.
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:23 pm

Arik should join an alliance and fly to that alliances hubs in the USA and Europe. West Africa does not have a hub with an airline in an alliance like Kenya or Ethiopian do in east Africa. With Ghana, Senrgal and Ivory Coast in the region Lagos should be the Nairobi of west Africa.
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:09 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Arik should join an alliance and fly to that alliances hubs in the USA and Europe.

Sounds like a nice idea! Let's see what do European airlines think about that ... AF, BA or LH on a IAH - CDG/LHR/FRA - LOS sectors with all those joint ventures already implemented on tatl routes???... euh ... NO thanks!

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
With Ghana, Senrgal and Ivory Coast in the region Lagos should be the Nairobi of west Africa.

A vast Muslim presence in the North of the Region keeps parts of the countries divided so it becomes quiet unlikely. Also because AF wants to (or did already invest in local airlines) maintain its comfortable share in West Africa; they are strengthening their partnership with ("unfortunately" or "hopefully not") meaningless local partners such as Air Côte d'Ivoire.

Doubtless that LOS is a mayor continental petroleum hub - more likely a terminal destination though, thus US clients going direct to LOS or Gulf of Guinea are merely seeking for sun tanning or historical discoveries! Senegal is an almost " private property" of AF / France and represents a long back track to US, however Ghana Cameroon Gabon and Angola have a great potential as long as reluctant governements (and others   ) approved the trade agreements!


Back to the topic, the only way Arik could become a hub in West Africa is by opening new destinations to Asia and East Africa like Dar Es Salaam, Nairobi (Turkana lake) or Maputo where new oil and gas reserves were discovered.
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:10 am

I thought they also fell out of favor with the Nigerian government?

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 13):
I believe (and *guess* only) that JNB is doing well since they've recently upguaged the 737 for an A345

Well it's certainly better than JFK: probably a higher fare and almost half the distance  In fact just spot checking in FEB14 I see JFK nonstop at $840 all in and JNB at $1000 for a one stop. Or $635 on Arik. Maybe they need some pricing/RM advice.
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:30 am

Though not in North America, maybe GRU? It had been mentioned in the past, so it may be on the way…
In Africa, NBO?
Asia, DEL/BOM? or PEK with a stop at NBO?
NA, perhaps IAD or ORD?

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 15):

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Arik should join an alliance and fly to that alliances hubs in the USA and Europe.

Sounds like a nice idea! Let's see what do European airlines think about that ... AF, BA or LH on a IAH - CDG/LHR/FRA - LOS sectors with all those joint ventures already implemented on tatl routes???... euh ... NO thanks!

I think jfk777 meant LOS- alliance hub in NA/EU, if I read it correctly.
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:22 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
Maybe they need some pricing/RM advice.

For free, it would be even better for them haha   .    .

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 17):
Though not in North America, maybe GRU?

Humm, you've read my mind buddy!
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Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 17):
I think jfk777 meant LOS- alliance hub in NA/EU, if I read it correctly.

You are very right dude, sorry for overlooking at the post. Do you think ADD should be a stop over for NZ or Australian destinations when Arik Air will target the Far East?
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:46 am

Well we have seened the Virgin group try to do something by starting Virgin Nigeria and then trying to connect its customers onward but, that has failed.
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:28 pm

2 new routes launched today at Arik Air are:

a) 5 weekly Lagos-Abidjan effective 03MAR

b) New daily Lagos-Cotonou-Dakar services effective 10MAR
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:23 pm

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 18):
Do you think ADD should be a stop over for NZ or Australian destinations when Arik Air will target the Far East?

The Nigeria-Ethiopia just renewed would allow a Nigerian carrier yet to be named, to fly to ADD and any other city in Ethiopia to match the 32 weekly frequency that ET gets. However, I would think NBO would make more sense, as it is a larger destination, so they can use the LOS-NBO leg and hopefully get 5th freedom NBO-NZ/Asia?
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:14 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Arik should join an alliance and fly to that alliances hubs in the USA and Europe. West Africa does not have a hub with an airline in an alliance like Kenya or Ethiopian do in east Africa. With Ghana, Senrgal and Ivory Coast in the region Lagos should be the Nairobi of west Africa.

Have you ever tried making an international connection at LOS? I did it once - never again.
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:48 pm

Do you have a source for this announcement? I don't see it anywhere.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 20):
2 new routes launched today at Arik Air are:

a) 5 weekly Lagos-Abidjan effective 03MAR

b) New daily Lagos-Cotonou-Dakar services effective 10MAR
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:57 pm

Quoting AF022 (Reply 22):
Have you ever tried making an international connection at LOS? I did it once - never again.

ANd likewise, have you ever tried to do a connection in NBO. Likewise, never again! Especially now with the terminal issue.

I suspect ADD is a bit better.
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:56 pm

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 21):
The Nigeria-Ethiopia just renewed would allow a Nigerian carrier yet to be named

ooops, missing BASA in there, should read: "The Nigeria-Ethiopia just renewed BASA would allow a Nigerian carrier yet to be named"

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 24):
I suspect ADD is a bit better.

Actually, not much better. During evening bank hours, the place is a zoo. I would say there is currently no good place right now as all facilities are really over capacity.

At least at NBO - where I had spend a night due to a ET flight going tech - was not a very unpleasant experience. The Java cafe in the departures terminal is very nice and open 24/7. Ironically, they had a still unexplained explosion there last night: http://tinyurl.com/oz4vj84
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:39 pm

Quoting AF022 (Reply 22):
Have you ever tried making an international connection at LOS? I did it once - never again.

Hi AF022, what exactly were the problems you faced? I am about to book Arik Air routing LHR-LOS-JNB. The transfer time is a nightmare and I may have to stay in a hotel during transit. Would be glad to hear from your experiences.

Also, is there any info how long Arik Air will keep the A345? These are the only HGW versions in commercial service (with 380t MTOW). I expect once the lease agreement with HiFly expires, these will end up as a business jet somewhere.

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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:49 pm

Quoting Loran (Reply 26):
Hi AF022, what exactly were the problems you faced? I am about to book Arik Air routing LHR-LOS-JNB. The transfer time is a nightmare and I may have to stay in a hotel during transit. Would be glad to hear from your experiences.

From what I've seen, if you transfer you have to identify yourself, go through passport control and fetch your bags from the carousel. They will confirm it is your bags by your baggage tags and then all the way back through passport control. I'm not sure if you need to check in your bags again (it won't surprise me.)

Lagos is a horrible airport for any kind of killing time. There is no airside hotel and as far as I know Germans also need visas, so if you want to go to a hotel, that will be an extra burden. (http://www.nigeriaembassygermany.org/faq.htm)

I don't know your reason for connecting in Lagos, but I would advise against it. The one good thing is that you have time. You will need lots of it.
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:56 am

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 25):
At least at NBO - where I had spend a night due to a ET flight going tech - was not a very unpleasant experience. The Java cafe in the departures terminal is very nice and open 24/7. Ironically, they had a still unexplained explosion there last night: http://tinyurl.com/oz4vj84

A glowing point of view, unlike many business travellers who've not had any chance to visit a lounge or decent equipment whatsoever since August...
Because of your link, NBO is sliding progressively down to a scary ghetto full of bandits!
Hope the KAA will recover though.

In 2010, JKIA was the 6th busiest airport in Africa just after Lagos.
In 2013, LOS will probably stand at the fouth position whilst NBO, if very lucky, can eventually pretend to rank 9th (with ADD 5th or 6th) ... What has exactly happened in a meantime???

Quoting yakima (Reply 27):
I don't know your reason for connecting in Lagos, but I would advise against it. The one good thing is that you have time. You will need lots of it.

It looks very similar to what can be experienced in Zambia, Malawi and maybe elsewhere in Africa!
Arik Air suggesting fair prices for a DLA - LOS - LHR sector in May, despite a longish lay over (more than 20h), caught my attention too. Can you develop further about the visa burden?
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:46 am

Loran dont do it! Why would one want a layover at LOS when there are plenty non-stop LHR-JNB options. I am sure BA or SA can do the job just fine or maybe you have an agenda in LOS?

As far as visas, im not sure what the german situation is, but I would avoid if at all possible having to deal with immigration to allow me to continue my journey and that would be anywhere in the world. While travelling to dar-es-salaam 3 years back, i was short changed by the immigration officer. She flatly did not return the $50 change she owed me and offered me a large smile instead (business visa cost $50 and I only had $100 bills unfortunately).
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:40 am

Here is the deal with transiting in LOS: don't do it. Since there is no sterile transit area or automatic bag transfer you will have to clear immigration, then (since you have no visa) the immigration officer will have to escort you to baggage claim to claim your baggage, then escort you through customs and then up to the check-in area, watch you check-in, and then escort you though customs, immigration, and security and back to the sterile departure area. This will take minimum 1.5 hours and the immigration officer will want a significant gift (bribe) since it is going to take so much of his/her time. It sucks and is one of the main reasons why LOS, despite its huge potential, is not and probably will never be a significant West African transit hub....
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:36 am

Quoting Loran (Reply 26):
Hi AF022, what exactly were the problems you faced? I am about to book Arik Air routing LHR-LOS-JNB. The transfer time is a nightmare and I may have to stay in a hotel during transit. Would be glad to hear from your experiences.
Quoting Loran (Reply 26):
From what I've seen, if you transfer you have to identify yourself, go through passport control and fetch your bags from the carousel. They will confirm it is your bags by your baggage tags and then all the way back through passport control. I'm not sure if you need to check in your bags again (it won't surprise me.)

This is exactly what happened. I wandered around thinking something must be wrong because everyone told me to go to passport control. Then I really had to go through passport control, and they sat me down until the right person could escort me while I got my bags, then I had to check-in again. It really felt like they had never done this before, but maybe online on ARIK is easier? I wouldn't risk it, though. There must be a dozen airlines with easy connections to JNB and probably good prices - ET and KQ to name just two.
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:43 am

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 30):
Here is the deal with transiting in LOS: don't do it. Since there is no sterile transit area or automatic bag transfer you will have to clear immigration, then (since you have no visa) the immigration officer will have to escort you to baggage claim to claim your baggage, then escort you through customs and then up to the check-in area, watch you check-in, and then escort you though customs, immigration, and security and back to the sterile departure area. This will take minimum 1.5 hours and the immigration officer will want a significant gift (bribe) since it is going to take so much of his/her time. It sucks and is one of the main reasons why LOS, despite its huge potential, is not and probably will never be a significant West African transit hub....

This is 100% true, including the bribe. I connected JNB-LOS-IAH this past September and the experience was pretty horrible, although made for a good story. Like all others have said - never again.

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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:33 am

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 30):
Here is the deal with transiting in LOS: don't do it. Since there is no sterile transit area or automatic bag transfer you will have to clear immigration, then (since you have no visa) the immigration officer will have to escort you to baggage claim to claim your baggage, then escort you through customs and then up to the check-in area, watch you check-in, and then escort you though customs, immigration, and security and back to the sterile departure area. This will take minimum 1.5 hours and the immigration officer will want a significant gift (bribe) since it is going to take so much of his/her time. It sucks and is one of the main reasons why LOS, despite its huge potential, is not and probably will never be a significant West African transit hub....

The ongoing renovation work in MMIA includes a new upper floor for departing passengers, thus segregating arrival from departure traffic. It would seem logical that the current re-design and construction has the objective of facilitating future passenger connections.
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:25 pm

eff 03MAR14 Lagos – Abidjan 5 weekly
W3610 LOS1945 – 2015ABJ CR9 x26
W3611 ABJ0200 – 0430LOS CR9 x26

eff 10MAR14 Lagos – Cotonou – Dakar 1 daily
W3551 LOS1915 – 1945COO2030 – 2300DKR 737 146
W3551 LOS1915 – 1945COO2030 – 2300DKR CR9 x146

W3552 DKR2345 – 0415+1COO0500+1 – 0530+1LOS 737 146
W3552 DKR2345 – 0415+1COO0500+1 – 0530+1LOS CR9 x146

This service will replace Lagos – Dakar nonstop 5 weekly operation.

In addition, from 03FEB14, Arik Air will discontinue Banjul – Dakar sector. W3077/078 will continue to operate as Lagos – Freetown – Banjul with following schedule:
W3077 LOS0800 – 0955FNA1040 – 1150BJL 73G 357
W3078 BJL1235 – 1345FNA1430 – 1825LOS 73G 357
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:47 pm

Thanks everyone for the insight into a LOS transit. Sounds terrifiying, although if I go, I'd be going with carry on luggage only and I could possibly arrange a visa upfront (unless it costs fortune).

Is there any info when the 777-300s and 787s will arrive?
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:30 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 34):
eff 03MAR14 Lagos – Abidjan 5 weekly
W3610 LOS1945 – 2015ABJ CR9 x26
W3611 ABJ0200 – 0430LOS CR9 x26

These schedules are awful. Who would fly ABJ-LOS at 0200?
 
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RE: Arik Air To Announce New Routes

Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:49 pm

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 18):
Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 17):
Though not in North America, maybe GRU?

Humm, you've read my mind buddy!
Nigeria being part of the MINT countries; let's see where all this go ... to ... Brazil !!

If the oil & gas connection is the driver, wouldn't GIG would make more sense than GRU? Plus, if I am not mistaken, getting slots at GRU is really complicated.
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