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Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:33 am

A Winter storm hitting Texas, Gerogia, the Carolinas and other states where this weather is not common, should have some effect in the air travel, since I expect, for example, airports in this part of the country should not have the equipment to deal with this ( snow removal equipment, De-Icing trucks, etc. ).

Any news about flight disruptions due to this unusual weather ?


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014...-storm-descends-on-deep-south?lite

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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:37 am

Oh definitely ... My BOS-ATL-FLL flight became BOS-JFK -FLL..DL has cancelled most flights into ATL...
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:18 pm

It's hitting Houston, Atlanta and Charlotte. It could be a miserable day for a lot of people. Similar to storms that hit JFK PHL EWR LGA and BOS.

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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:52 pm

All DL flights and most WN flights at MSY are already cxld. Things are supposed to get bad here in the afternoon hours.
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:02 pm

I remember a number of years back when some of the southern Florida airports had heavy frost overnight.... RON aircraft at places like RSW were delayed until the sun rose and warmed things up enough to melt the frost as they don't have de-icing equipment.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:00 pm

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 4):

I remember a number of years back when some of the southern Florida airports had heavy frost overnight.... RON aircraft at places like RSW were delayed until the sun rose and warmed things up enough to melt the frost as they don't have de-icing equipment.

You would be surprised at the number of de-icing trucks (more commonly carts) that you would find in Florida airports now - in MCO removing frost has become more common, especially since the AirTran fiasco a few years ago.
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:20 pm

All Delta Connection flights out of RDU from 3pm on have been CXLD. Shaping up to be a fun day down here!
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:27 pm

Things are so bad that panicked residents of the South, having cleaned out all of the available milk and bread on supermarket shelves, are now besieging the region's airports to pillage their meager inventory as well.
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:58 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 7):
Things are so bad that panicked residents of the South, having cleaned out all of the available milk and bread on supermarket shelves, are now besieging the region's airports to pillage their meager inventory as well.

HAHAHA!! That's just a funny mental image you painted. LOL!!
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:26 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 7):
Things are so bad that panicked residents of the South, having cleaned out all of the available milk and bread on supermarket shelves, are now besieging the region's airports to pillage their meager inventory as well.

Ugh, I hate how people get right before a storm hits.....gotta get the bread, milk and eggs!!! Like they're going to be making French Toast to feed an army or something. This guy nailed how people react right on the head:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6zaVYWLTkU

 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:23 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 5):
You would be surprised at the number of de-icing trucks (more commonly carts) that you would find in Florida airports now - in MCO removing frost has become more common, especially since the AirTran fiasco a few years ago.

When USAir mainline was in MLB they had a de-ice truck that was used about 5 times in 5 yrs.
Thats why they moved it to JAX
Delta had a de-ice cart but took that out around 1998....
The ice.....frost... didn't justify the units cost and recurrent training.

Now we just wait for solar de-icing unit to rise up.

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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:53 pm

What year is this? 2014?

Our local news station chose this image for their news story on the weather delays.

 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:53 pm

MSY now shut down as far as the airlines go, last flight out was a US 319 bound for CLT at 11:00am. I was listening to liveatc and when tower handed him over to departure, he told him to contact cactus departure because he would be the only aircraft there, got a few laughs.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...6/history/20140128/1700Z/KMSY/KCLT
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:16 pm

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 11):
What year is this? 2014?

Our local news station chose this image for their news story on the weather delays.

I understand that Eastern and Braniff flights at ATL have also been similarly affected...
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:46 pm

well...UA has groundstopped all ac for IAH from DC to Miami to Denver....out as a FAA advisory. Nothing similar on the FAA advisory database for ATL MSY CLT as yet...carriers must be handling it internally so far. Would wonder how many deice trucks are functioning on ATL and CLT...especially for the nonhub carriers there....
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:03 pm

WWL radio reporting all flights in and out of MSY cancelled until Thursday.
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:32 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 13):
I understand that Eastern and Braniff flights at ATL have also been similarly affected...

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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:28 pm

This is Winter Storm Leon, allowing us to use the following quote from Airplane.

"The fog is getting thicker.... and Leon's getting larger!"
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:40 pm

Hey All,

Just thought I would provide an update from on the ground here at ATL. I am waiting on an AirTran ATL-DCA flight that showed delayed by 45 minutes since yesterday up until an hour ago, when it updated to on-time. I suspect they expected delays on the inbound leg, but operations are running smoother than expected. Really hoping we will get out at all, and will be especially lucky if we get out on-time. Can't speak to how many deicing trucks are operating, but would love an answer just out of my own curiousity.

The roads around the Atlanta area were horrific. I drove up from Columbus, GA and it was ice and loose snow/slush everywhere. Extremely slippery. Watched several cars spin out and lose control. Traffic leading up to 285 on 85 was down to a crawl, I feel bad for those going to be stuck in that mess for hours to come. Feel very lucky to have made it here without any issues and really hoping to get home tonight.

Be safe out there!
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:46 pm

I saw that they were deicing in IAH. That alone should tell you how bad it was.
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:00 am

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 13):
I understand that Eastern and Braniff flights at ATL have also been similarly affected...

Good one!!!  
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:01 am

Quoting maddogjt8d (Reply 18):
The roads around the Atlanta area were horrific. I drove up from Columbus, GA and it was ice and loose snow/slush everywhere. Extremely slippery. Watched several cars spin out and lose control. Traffic leading up to 285 on 85 was down to a crawl, I feel bad for those going to be stuck in that mess for hours to come. Feel very lucky to have made it here without any issues and really hoping to get home tonight.

It took me nearly 5 hours to go about 50 miles from my last delivery of the day (which was on the northside of Atlanta off of GA 400) to my house on the southside of town off of I-75 (right before I left, my office called and said to go ahead and head home instead of going back to the office). It took me about 4 hours and 20 minutes to get from where I got on 400 at to where I-75 and I-85 split at Lakewood and once I got past Lakewood (which was pretty treacherous and I almost lost it a few times going up the hill), it was pretty much nothing but empty interstate on I-75 to the exit I get off at.

Tomorrow will be another rough one for air travel as the roads will freeze up tonight making it tough to get to the airport. Things should improve starting Thursday as the temperatures are expected to stay above freezing a good chunk of the day. Even crazier is the fact that the weekend will see highs in the 60s.
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:14 am



They were using plows on the DL hangar ramp to keep the snow cleared. This is the first large plow I have ever seen in ATL.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:29 am

That loader is a step up from what I saw. The building mtc guys were out there trying to spread ice melt with a golf cart.
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:32 am

What sort of equipment does ATL have for dealing with this? I know there was a deice pad being constructed north over by the RON parking/AirTran hangar. Was it finished?
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:39 am

Quoting n126dl (Reply 24):
What sort of equipment does ATL have for dealing with this? I know there was a deice pad being constructed north over by the RON parking/AirTran hangar. Was it finished?

There are over 7 deice pads between Ramp 6 and Taxiway D and have been for years. We deice in ATL at least 20-30 times a winter season, today is just the worst of those times. We also have several plows, brooms and sweepers for taxiways and runways. Everyone always badmouths southern airports for their lack of equipment but ATL actually has some. It may not be as much as ORD or JFK has but we also only see snow like this once every few years.
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:36 am

What are the chances then roads from Buckheqd to ATL will be fine by 5am?

I have an 8am flight. Should I expect I85 to be frozen or will they be clearing them up?
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:51 am

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 26):
Should I expect I85 to be frozen or will they be clearing them up?

I would expect that the slush rush hour created will freeze into ice overnight.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:56 am

MYR has been closed for a good part of today due to lack of deicing equipment.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:59 am

My sister and brother-in-law flew in from White Plains, NY for my mother-in-law's funeral this weekend. They moved up their return flight to 12:30, figuring the snow wouldn't hit before 2-3PM. Got to the airport, on time, mother-in-law's remains in tow. Yes, TSA dutifully patted down granny in the plastic box, and found her not to be a threat. Checked in. Mechanical problems, and a 2+ hour delay. Got onto the plane, sat on the runway for 2+hours (at least mom wasn't complaining in the hand luggage). Flight got cancelled. No hotel vouchers (not that there were any hotel rooms to be had). No meal coupons (thank you Delta, and your amazing 4th quarter profits...). Made their way to the Sky Lounge, which supposedly will close around 11PM (I suspect they won't), the reception people took pity on mom-in-the-box and allowed them refuge, where they are now dining like kings on Delta's carrots, hummus, and olives. It's a pretty bad situation. The entire Atlanta region shut down/gridlock is beyond inexcusable. We have had a massive 2 inches of snow, and the entire city is in a state of complete paralysis. Thank you politicians! Anyway, it ain't so good at Hartsfield tonight, if that answers your question.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:01 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 22):

It took me 3 hours just to make it to TechOps from a 25 minute routinely trip today. After 2 hours, they let us go home as our lead told us that the mayor of Atlanta declare state of emergency. Crazy day all over Georgia.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:31 am

I have many friends that are spedning the night in 767s parked at the gates in ATL. Heard there are a couple set up at the TOC as well. Pilots, F/As, ramp agents, everyone's camping out in heated a/c. I'm on the floor in my office at the GO as I type this.

Delta had cancelled approximately 400 mainlines flights through ATL by 6pm yesterday. It grew to 700+ today. This is just Atlanta and doesn't include DCI.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:09 am

I had a 8:10am flight @ ATL. Attempted to leave Buckhead but gave up after looking at the news where I75/I85 blocked in various places!
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:44 pm

Quoting n126dl (Reply 24):
What sort of equipment does ATL have for dealing with this?

The problem will be planes that stayed out in the open during the precipitation and over night. They will have solid glaze ice frozen on the upper surfaces, including freezing the control surfaces, doors and emergency exits closed. Some of the aircraft may well be frozen to the ramps by ice buildup around their tires.

It will take heat, lots of heat to melt that ice. Deicing chemicals help, but they can't go to the ramps and gates and spray a lot of deicing fluid on the planes there.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:50 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 29):
Got onto the plane, sat on the runway for 2 hours

What were they doing on the runway for 2 hours? Maybe that's why there were so many delays and cancellations because your in-law's plane was blocking up an active runway!

I know I know... I'm being facetious. I think you mean taxiways.
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:04 pm

Just thought I'd give y'all an update. We did end up making it to DCA last night. Although we left the gate almost an hour late and had to spend some time deicing, the flight was a quick 1:05 and we landed only 45 minutes past our arrival time.

The airport itself was a ghost town, both security and the concourses. I've never seen ATL that empty. Our flight was also pretty empty.

I have to give AirTran credit for working hard to get us all home. I found out later that one of the reasons we sat at the gate for an hour was to allow passengers that were late arriving either from connections or late to the airport to make the flight. Several people that had cancelled flights on Delta bought last minute tickets on our flight as well just to get home.

I also found out that there were 3 AirTran/Southwest mechanics on our flight that were fixing an AOG at DCA last night. I suspect this is also a reason they wanted this flight to go, as they wanted to get an out-of-service airplane back up for today's recovery.

My colleagues were not so lucky. One was on DL to TPA that got delayed repeatedly and then cancelled, he spent the night in the airport. Another is stuck 100 miles away in Columbus, GA with the roads closed.

Absolutely crazy how this whole mess went down, but really glad that I was one of the few who made it out safely and relatively on-time. If there are any AirTran employees on this board, thank you!

Oh, I also videotaped a good chunk of the flight and deicing process. Youtube video to come!
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:12 pm

The way it's looking, this is likely going to be an issue through tomorrow afternoon. We'll be lucky if it gets above freezing today and while the sun will help melt some of the snow and ice, it's just going to refreeze overnight and it won't be until sometime Thursday afternoon before the temperatures get above freezing and stay there. The fact that the Governor has declared a state of emergency for all 159 counties in the State of Georgia tells you the magnitude of this weather, as central and south Georgia rarely get hit with winter weather while in northern Georgia it's typically a once a year thing (although we did not get such winter weather in 2012 or 2013), but usually hits during the overnight and early morning hours so there's not a lot of traffic on the roads.
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:27 pm

Looks like MSY will have a few flights today.

A couple of US from CLT on the way and the DL from LGA enroute

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KMSY
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:28 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 26):
There are over 7 deice pads between Ramp 6 and Taxiway D and have been for years.

So is it perhaps an additional one?
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:53 pm

Follow up to my reply #29. Sister in law, brother in law, and mom-in-the-box are still at the airport, Wed AM. All roads into and out of Hartsfield are closed. Apparently they had a pilot available to fly them out to NY, but no flight crew. Sky Club kicked them all out at 11PM last night (very tacky, must be union people...), So at this point, they have no flight out, nor any prospect of a flight home, they cannot get out of the airport, MARTA doesn't start until 10AM, and no one knows the schedule. Even if they could escape, I can't get into Sandy Springs to pick them up, our neighborhood is Siberia, sheer ice everywhere on the roads. I would say that heads will roll regarding the gross incompetence of the local and state governments regarding emergency preparedness, but we all no that no heads will roll, and there will probably be some pay raises, promotions, and praises to go around when this unbelievable mess is over. Not that I harbor any cynicism...
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:34 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 29):
My sister and brother-in-law flew in from White Plains, NY for my mother-in-law's funeral this weekend. They moved up their return flight to 12:30, figuring the snow wouldn't hit before 2-3PM. Got to the airport, on time, mother-in-law's remains in tow. Yes, TSA dutifully patted down granny in the plastic box, and found her not to be a threat. Checked in. Mechanical problems, and a 2+ hour delay. Got onto the plane, sat on the runway for 2+hours (at least mom wasn't complaining in the hand luggage). Flight got cancelled. No hotel vouchers (not that there were any hotel rooms to be had). No meal coupons (thank you Delta, and your amazing 4th quarter profits...). Made their way to the Sky Lounge, which supposedly will close around 11PM (I suspect they won't), the reception people took pity on mom-in-the-box and allowed them refuge, where they are now dining like kings on Delta's carrots, hummus, and olives. It's a pretty bad situation. The entire Atlanta region shut down/gridlock is beyond inexcusable. We have had a massive 2 inches of snow, and the entire city is in a state of complete paralysis. Thank you politicians! Anyway, it ain't so good at Hartsfield tonight, if that answers your question.

Slapstick definately makes the morning go by so much quicker! Thanks for the laughs....even if they were at your expense. AUS had 37 cancellations as of 0630 yesterday....looked like most of them were AA and UA to and from ORD, and IAH respectively.

And it's now 50 with a projected high of 75 friday...strangest weather I've ever seen.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:46 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 39):
Follow up to my reply #29. Sister in law, brother in law, and mom-in-the-box are still at the airport, Wed AM. All roads into and out of Hartsfield are closed. Apparently they had a pilot available to fly them out to NY, but no flight crew. Sky Club kicked them all out at 11PM last night (very tacky, must be union people...), So at this point, they have no flight out, nor any prospect of a flight home, they cannot get out of the airport, MARTA doesn't start until 10AM, and no one knows the schedule. Even if they could escape, I can't get into Sandy Springs to pick them up, our neighborhood is Siberia, sheer ice everywhere on the roads. I would say that heads will roll regarding the gross incompetence of the local and state governments regarding emergency preparedness, but we all no that no heads will roll, and there will probably be some pay raises, promotions, and praises to go around when this unbelievable mess is over. Not that I harbor any cynicism...

All I can do is shake my head. Even the Weather Channel, a regular cheerleader for Atlanta, was giving Georgia leaders and Atlanta officials a hard time on the news this morning. Your humor was not lost on me and I appreciate that!
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:07 pm

Quoting lexy (Reply 41):
All I can do is shake my head. Even the Weather Channel, a regular cheerleader for Atlanta, was giving Georgia leaders and Atlanta officials a hard time on the news this morning. Your humor was not lost on me and I appreciate that!

Not a good thing to have happen to the Governor, who is up for reelection this year. After the ice storm that crippled Atlanta and North Georgia in January 2011 (coincidentally the day Gov. Deal took office), the GA DOT spend a lot of money to make sure the traffic jams and stuck vehicles wouldn't happen again. They built a number of sheds along or near the interstates around Atlanta in which necessary supplies like sand, gravel and salt are stored. The problem is that with the traffic jams, they have had trouble getting to those sheds to replenish the trucks. The storm hitting in the daylight hours really played havoc with those plans and they're advising folks to stay off the roads unless absolutely necessary and most of the state is under a Civil Emergency until tomorrow afternoon. This is also to help road crews to clear the roads.
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:39 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 42):
The storm hitting in the daylight hours really played havoc with those plans

Exactly. Most of these storms seem to blow in overnight and people just stay home the following morning. This one blew in mid-day while everyone was out and about. I was quite fortunate that my normal 25 minute commute was only an hour and 25 minutes. I know people who did not get home and many that took 9 hours to get home. There is a solid sheet of one half to three quarters inch of ice on my street with about three inches of snow on top of that. It got down to 16 last night. Ugly.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:33 pm

Took a "day trip" to ATL yesterday to hang out with a friends. Bad idea. Got the last flight from SDF in to ATL, left at 0735. Spent most the day in traffic. 3.5 hours from Buckhead to Fayetteville, which by all accounts was a speed record for yesterday. Got back to the airport about 830 PM for the flight back to SDF on a company plane. left almost on time, but completely empty except for two other jumpseaters (both other airline crew trying to get home).

Friend told me other crewmembers were taking last flights out to anywhere. They couldn't make it home even if they were local, as of 8 PM the only hotels not full were 35-40 miles outside the city. so they flew to where ever and got rooms there and would work their ways home, even if home was flying back to ATL and trying to drive.

Was told by the crew to on the flight to ATL that they can manage 12 planes per hour rate of de-icing. Whats the average dept rate for a day in ATL.. 60-80/hour or so? Planes would thaw before getting de-iced.

IN retrospect, i got lucky (and actual knowledge of non-interstate routes and snow driving experience helped) and got home. I have friends in the metro area just now getting home after spending 24 hours in their cars or gas stations or waffle houses.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:10 pm

ATL airport video footage including a KE A380 being de-iced.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:45 pm

It's difficult for me to comprehend that 2 inches of snow is causing this much trouble. Looking at the picture B757Forever posted.. if that was at OSL, and someone asked tower if there was snow on the tarmac, the controller would have replied "negative".
 
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:01 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 46):
It's difficult for me to comprehend that 2 inches of snow is causing this much trouble. Looking at the picture B757Forever posted.. if that was at OSL, and someone asked tower if there was snow on the tarmac, the controller would have replied "negative".

My father is in MYR right now (his CHS-JFK flight tomorrow evening got upped to an a320 due to the cancellations the last two days) and they have schools closed for the rest of the week and roads are all shut down due to snow and ice. Here in NY where I am wwe got 2-3 inches last night and I swear somebody asked me today, "Wait, it snowed last night?"
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:02 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 46):
It's difficult for me to comprehend that 2 inches of snow is causing this much trouble.

It's not 2 inches of snow causing the problems, it's the solid coating of ice on everything.
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RE: Winter Storm In US Southern States: Effects?

Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:08 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 46):

It's difficult for me to comprehend that 2 inches of snow is causing this much trouble. Looking at the picture B757Forever posted.. if that was at OSL, and someone asked tower if there was snow on the tarmac, the controller would have replied "negative".

It's not just the 2 inches of snow that caused the problems in metro Atlanta. First, traffic in Atlanta is awful even on the best of days. Everyone left their workplace at nearly the same time yesterday, around noon, which was also when most schools let out. By then, it was too late--the snow had started earlier than anticipated, and gridlock commenced literally within an hour.

Then you had cars and 18-wheelers sitting on top of the snow, melting it with their heat, and then having it refreeze into sheets of ice. At that point, it doesn't matter how much snow removal equipment you have. If you can't get to it because of traffic, it's useless. Throw in relatively inexperienced drivers and a hilly city, and you've got chaos.

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