Turkish Aviation February 2014

Turkish777X · Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:13 pm

It is the capacity that TK is aiming for in the upcoming years.

tozbek · Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:44 pm

Turkish Airlines oreder V2500's for A321 fleet. Total amount of the agreement is 560 million dollars:
http://kokpit.aero/turkish-airlines-v2500-order

OA260 · Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:04 pm

New Istanbul Airport Faces Construction Delay
Project May Be Halted For Up to 12 Months Over Environmental Impact Assessment

ISTANBUL—Turkey's bid to build one of the world's biggest airports in Istanbul could be pushed back by up to a year after judges ordered builders to halt work, even as Ankara ruled out delays to the $30 billion project.

The warning from industry analysts came after a late Monday administrative court order suspending construction of Istanbul's third airport pending the completion of an expert report on the environmental impact analysis.

On Tuesday morning, however, Turkey's General Directorate of State Airports Authority shot back that the Environment and Urban Planning Ministry is taking the legal steps against the decision.

(http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304104504579376522152107310?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304104504579376522152107310.htm

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...rkey-airport-idUSL5N0LG1IP20140211

Not good news ! Hopefully it can be resolved or it will be a mess.

sirtoby · Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:24 pm

Quoting tozbek (Reply 51):
Turkish Airlines oreder V2500's for A321 fleet.

So what's up with the A321neo's? LEAP or GTF?

LAXintl · Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:56 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 49):
does this mean Istanbul as a city of O&D and transit opportunities can support 2000 flights ... or the current IST airport capacity can be increased to 2000 flights if needed?

TK has used the 2000 figure several times before. Its the volume of flying they believe traffic demand can support and a comfortable number for TK to grow to.

Remember TK has no where near 1200 flights at IST, that is their system wide number. IST today for example had 396 departures.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 52):
Not good news ! Hopefully it can be resolved or it will be a mess.

Go to higher appeals court.

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 53):
So what's up with the A321neo's? LEAP or GTF?

Not decided yet. Pegasus got LEAP for its Airbus order.

ASA · Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:26 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 54):
TK has used the 2000 figure several times before. Its the volume of flying they believe traffic demand can support and a comfortable number for TK to grow to.

Remember TK has no where near 1200 flights at IST, that is their system wide number. IST today for example had 396 departures.

Oh thanks for clarifying - makes much more sense!

Wish TK all the best on getting these numbers. That will be a ginormous achievement ... as the new airport happens and fully grows to its potential. But current happenings around the planning and site selection points to a delay ... I still believe it'll be 2020 before it even starts. But if its gets to a decent capacity by the centennial celebrations in 2023 ... even that would be awesome!

MeCe · Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:53 pm

There is a threat about 757 replacament, I think 75(9)7 is perfect plane for TK's' africa destinations. 739 ERs struggle about range and payload especially in summer. A 240 seat 4000 nm capable plane will be delightful because of narrow body operationg costs and freeing up widebody fleet for their designated missions.

ist2014 · Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:59 pm

even for India, Bangladesh, Nepal operations. Such a plane could be deployed on some CIS routes

ist2014 · Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:08 pm

any news about leased 332s. when TK will receive them.
Why 2 of GF birds, JNY and JNZ are not yet operational, some problems or what is the reason.
does any body know about reason(s)

ist2014 · Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:32 pm

757 replacement with good range can open new markets as well.
for starting flights to US east cost such as PHL , EWR or new indian cities (if bilateral changes)
or for adding frequencies to Washington, Chicago even maybe JFK (3rd daily flights in winter or 4th in Summer) or BKK , Dakka, Lagos

FlyingSicilian · Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:14 am

I saw they are adding Catania CTA this year. Glad to see more options out of CTA even "east bound".

HB-IWC · Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:37 am

Apparently, TK is leasing yet more A330 equipment. 9W A332 VT-JWL is set to become TC-JIM and has already left the Jet Airways fleet. I presume that there will be more than just one A332 involved in this 9W lease. Anyone with more info?

Turkish777X · Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:39 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 61):
Apparently, TK is leasing yet more A330 equipment. 9W A332 VT-JWL is set to become TC-JIM and has already left the Jet Airways fleet. I presume that there will be more than just one A332 involved in this 9W lease. Anyone with more info?

The registrations are expected to be as follows:

TC-JIL A330-203 (ex VT-JWH cn 882)
TC-JIM A330-203 (ex VT-JWL cn 901)
TC-JIN A330-203 (frame not known yet)

Turkish777X · Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:00 pm

Today was the induction ceremony of TK's first bird with turkish made seats, see video below!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GkTAzljlYk#t=47

Miami · Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:34 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 27):

Story on potential future routes for TK
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...ouston-and-potentially-miami-77202

lightsaber · Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:05 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
. IST easily swept past MAD is now in the #5 spot for Europe, with only about 1 million passenger separation from Amsterdam. Quite conceivable that #3 Frankfurt could also be passed in a couple years.

Serious question, is FRA starting construction of more terminal space? While I think that the new-IST will eventually outgrow FRA, if FRA expands even a little I believe it will be 'out of range' of the current IST infrastructure.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 30):
DHMI's newly published January 2014 passenger figures show that 2014 will at least keep the performance of 2013:

Turkey 22.3%

IST 15% ( 16% Int)
SAW 46% ( 52% Int) %u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026..Waawww
ESB 21% ( 23% Dom)
ADB 14% ( 26% Int)
AYT 10%

Amazing growth. How much room is there at SAW for further growth? I've lost the pulse on the expansion efforts SAW.

Quoting ASA (Reply 49):
does this mean Istanbul as a city of O&D and transit opportunities can support 2000 flights ... or the current IST airport capacity can be increased to 2000 flights if needed?

The city would certainly support 2,000 flights.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 54):
IST today for example had 396 departures.

So there is room for growth.

Lightsaber

ASA · Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:13 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 64):
Story on potential future routes for TK
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...ouston-and-potentially-miami-77202

A story from July 2, 2012 ?!!

TK105 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:37 pm

Interesting news. TK is wet leasing 4 A388 to be used for JFK, LHR, PVG and PEK routes for summer season:

http://kokpit.aero/thy-a380-kiraliyor

By the way, TK reported 1B TL (500M USD) negative for 2013. Some heads are gonna roll?…. However if you look at the balance sheet reported to BIST, main negative figure comes from 2B TL exchange rate losses? However this is strange as increasing USD should contribute to profit (as happens in many companies where their incomes are USD and Euro). Perhaps an insider can explain to us.

[Edited 2014-02-18 06:55:01]

sirtoby · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:05 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 67):
Interesting news. TK is wet leasing 4 A388 to be used for JFK, LHR, PVG and PEK routes for summer season:

I guess they will come from Emirates as they have to park some of their aircraft due to the fact that one runway at DXB will shut down for renovation.

LondonCity · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:13 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 67):
Interesting news. TK is wet leasing 4 A388 to be used for JFK, LHR, PVG and PEK routes for summer season:

I can understand the long-haul routes ... But LHR ? Isn't that a bit extreme. Can TK find the space at LHR for an A380, bearing in mind it requires special airbridges for the best passenger handling ?

HB-IWC · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:33 pm

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 68):
I guess they will come from Emirates as they have to park some of their aircraft due to the fact that one runway at DXB will shut down for renovation.

By the end of July, normal operations at EK will resume and EK will need all the A380 equipment again. If this story is true, then the aircraft must be sourced elsewhere. I am putting my money on China Southern, but I honestly find the story hard to believe.

fcogafa · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:34 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 69):
I can understand the long-haul routes ... But LHR ? Isn't that a bit extreme. Can TK find the space at LHR for an A380, bearing in mind it requires special airbridges for the best passenger handling ?

Once the new T2 opens in June there will be more A380 stands available at LHR and as THY is in STAR I presume they will move in.

TurkishSky · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:34 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 69):
But LHR ? Isn't that a bit extreme. Can TK find the space at LHR for an A380, bearing in mind it requires special airbridges for the best passenger handling ?

this is from Heathrow's website:
Terminal 2 will be home to 23 Star Alliance member airlines as well as Aer Lingus Virgin Little Red and Germanwings.

• Larger, more efficient aircraft such as the A380 can operate from Terminal 2

MeCe · Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:49 pm

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 59):
757 replacement with good range can open new markets as well.for starting flights to US east cost such as PHL , EWR or new indian cities (if bilateral changes)or for adding frequencies to Washington, Chicago even maybe JFK (3rd daily flights in winter or 4th in Summer) or BKK , Dakka, Lagos

757 replacement will not have legs like IST-JFK. It will be capable cross the atlantic but limited to coast to coast. TK need this kind of plane two reasons; flights 6-8 hrs and demanding but cannot support contious widebody service flights, eg CDG,FRA, LHR etc.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 67):
Interesting news. TK is wet leasing 4 A388 to be used for JFK, LHR, PVG and PEK routes for summer season:

http://kokpit.aero/turkish-airlines-a380-wet-lease

here is english source

My bid is they will come from thai

If it is true 3rd airport can beface real serious issues and they realised can not be opened planned future. Than capacity comes more important than frequency for highly loaded routes.

More important, hopefully this time TK will not to forget obtain necessary permits for wet lease operations

LAXintl · Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:09 pm

Remember the A380 is still an rumor. Nothing is done until contract is signed. ie - LOT 787 rumors.

In other news, Sun Express is supposed to hold a press conference in Izmir this week. Another media source says it might be for an aircraft order announcements.

Ref TK BIST filing, the document is somesort of provisional tax statement, not actual balance sheet or annual report.
If you look at it (with my best translation ability) I believe they made a nice profit (which Q1-Q3 support with USD$635 million profit), but then they show the large write off on the tax document. So being a tax document, who knows what the back story is until they release the formal numbers.

emrecan · Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:46 pm

I don't know how reliable "kokpit.aero" is.. As Laxintl has mentioned, the rumors regarding the 787 were first mentioned on that website which never accepted by TK management.

[Edited 2014-02-18 08:47:46]

ist2014 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:32 pm

profit announced is tax basis and numbers are different vs IFRS.
even at tax based PL, main reason for loss is currency loss but I assume it will not be the case at IFRS reporting.
according to IFRS., functional currency of TK is US Dollar, consequently currency lossses due to dollar will be booked against equity ( very technical issues at accounting)
even at tax based loss, TK has a good number of operating profit

LLA001 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:32 pm

if i remember the rumors correctly, government A330 was suppose to be delivered at the end of this month. Do you have any info about this?

HB-IWC · Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:17 am

According to skyliner-aviation.de, the two remaining ex GF A332, which were to become TK's TC-JNU and TC-JNY will now be going to Hi Fly of Portugal instead.

Turkish777X · Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:40 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 78):
According to skyliner-aviation.de, the two remaining ex GF A332, which were to become TK's TC-JNU and TC-JNY will now be going to Hi Fly of Portugal instead.

That is good, if they were going to be delivered without cabin reconfig.

Turkish777X · Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:13 am

Seems like TK is cutting back its expansion a little.

They seems to be getting only 2 9W A332s now instead of 3. Additionally, they might not be getting the ex GF birds.

ASA · Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:19 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 79):
That is good, if they were going to be delivered without cabin reconfig.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 78):
According to skyliner-aviation.de, the two remaining ex GF A332, which were to become TK's TC-JNU and TC-JNY will now be going to Hi Fly of Portugal instead.

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 80):
They seems to be getting only 2 9W A332s now instead of 3. Additionally, they might not be getting the ex GF birds.

very glad to hear this. TK shouldn't have random (and below standard) configurations.

Does someone know, does TK have any of the older no-IFE A332s on lease still?

Thanks in advance.

Turkish777X · Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:29 pm

TK still has TC JNF and TC JNG in its fleet, these are A332s with no IFE.
Additionally, they got one more sub standard A332 ex Gulf air, registered as TC-JNV.

TurkishWings · Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:20 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 82):
TK still has TC JNF and TC JNG in its fleet, these are A332s with no IFE.
Additionally, they got one more sub standard A332 ex Gulf air, registered as TC-JNV.

I flew IST-IAD on Tuesday... The plane was to depart from gate 214. I arrived at the gate about an hour before departure and found TC-JNV sitting at the gate... I had the shock of my life for the next 20 minutes or so... 11 something hours on this bird would be just unbearable... They then announced that we would reach our airplane by bus... Pheeeew... Off to the good old TC-JNM it was

ASA · Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:26 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 82):

TK still has TC JNF and TC JNG in its fleet, these are A332s with no IFE.
Additionally, they got one more sub standard A332 ex Gulf air, registered as TC-JNV.

somehow, the DAC flight always gets one of these two A332s ... no IFE, old seats, and frame

two aviation fan friends of mine travelled to DAC on TK recently (with family) and got pissed. if the main westward competition is ME3 ... these two old birds are no match for EK/EY/QR's much newer birds.

northstar80 · Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:25 pm

Does anyone know which aircraft is the all white A340 in front of the hangars at IST? Is it ex-TK aircraft?

ist2014 · Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:13 pm

perhaps TC-JDN , as far as I know it will be retired.
Kotil at an interview with ATW explained that TK is interested @ A380 lease. with 4 frames 2 routes from fareast is acheivable but daily utilization would be around 10 hours per day which is quite low vs average of WB fleet

OA260 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:20 am

A bit of fun from TK and you can win a flight too. :

https://itunes.apple.com/tr/app/id791166732?mt=8

Turkish Airlines is taking advantage of the buzz of its viral hit The Selfie Shootout starring brand ambassadors Lionel Messi and Kobe Bryant by turning the video into an iPhone app.
In the commercial, Messi and Kobe travel the world to one-up the other’s latest selfie.

The new app Selfshot App lets users take virtual selfies with the same destinations as those featured in the ad.

http://skift.com/2014/02/05/take-sel...obe-with-new-turkish-airlines-app/

Turkish350XWB · Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:28 pm

I know Feb is over. Still not to forget: TK decides adding Karlsruhe/Baden-Baden (Germany), Conakry (Guinea) and Bordeaux (France). See you in the March thread! Looking forward to the introduction.

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