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DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:47 pm

Does anyone out there have any knowledge or information as to why DL8872 enroute from EWR-SEA carrying the Super Bowl champs Seattle Seahawks shows diverting to MSP. At first I thought it may be an error on flight aware so I checked Delta's website and it shows diverting also.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:51 pm

Quoting robo65 (Thread starter):
Does anyone out there have any knowledge or information as to why DL8872 enroute from EWR-SEA carrying the Super Bowl champs Seattle Seahawks shows diverting to MSP.

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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:56 pm

Hmm.
Flightaware is showing 2 DCI flights and 3 UAX flights on the EWR-MSP route are cancelled today. Did they give the Seahawks a different plane and use the 763 to clear the backlog out of EWR?
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:12 pm

Looks like 8878 EWR-SEA now shows diverting to SLC

and 8877 is now stopping in DTW


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...8/history/20140203/2022Z/KEWR/KSLC

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8877

[Edited 2014-02-03 13:21:14]
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:17 pm

Quoting Amwest2united (Reply 3):

I'n sure that one or more of these flights are carrying Seattle Seahawks fans. Do we know if any of these flights are carrying the team?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8872

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8876

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8878

[Edited 2014-02-03 13:42:29]
 
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:22 pm

Strong headwinds, refueling stops are being made.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:27 pm

My guess would be this is a planned enroute stop due to the snow in EWR. Contaminated runway takeoff weights can be pretty restrictive. When a steady snow is falling, it can be impossible to clear the runway so it is wet or dry. Combined with high passenger and cargo load and a westbound flight into headwinds, you can easily have issues accommodating all the weight to fly it nonstop. A charter flight is also legally required to have an alternate listed on the dispatch release with fuel loaded to get there regardless of weather so this also adds to the required fuel.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:29 pm

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 6):
Strong headwinds, refueling stops are being made.

That was my first thought as well, but I'm not so sure now.

The DL flights are operated by 2 767s and a 757, all have diverted. The first US A321 made it to SEA non-stop and the other two haven't got diversions planned.
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:33 pm

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 6):
Strong headwinds, refueling stops are being made.

SLC is quite a diversion for a refueling stop EWR-SEA, isn't it?
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:38 pm

Maybe the crews are timing out due to the wx. I saw a couple of planes divert last night enroute to Seattle, due to headwinds.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:55 pm

Quoting d l x (Reply 9):
SLC is quite a diversion for a refueling stop EWR-SEA, isn't it?

Its a little out of the way but given its Delta its probably faster to get in-out and on their way then to stop at some airport where they are not as prepared and ready. I am shocked a 757 couldn't make it EWR-SEA even with a snow covered runway? I know its far but its a 757........

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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:09 pm

A late-model, Part-135 BFI-based Challenger needed to make a fuel stop today flying TEB-BFI, so I don't think it is unheard that a 757 would need to refuel.

Maybe the AW A321's were light? I didn't even know they flew SEA-EWR-SEA!
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:12 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 4):

Team is on 8872.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:17 pm

Based on where the aircraft came from, 8872 came from ATL, maybe the crew is timing out, so they are stopping in MSP to get a new crew.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 14):
Team is on 8872

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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:24 pm

I've read on twitter the teams plane 8872 needed to recrew due to timing out.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:28 pm

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 13):
I didn't even know they flew SEA-EWR-SEA!

It's very common for airlines to add service for the Superbowl. US, for example, flew SFO/BWI-MSY last year, just as they're flying EWR-SEA this year.
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:37 pm

Quoting Amwest2united (Reply 15):

Based on where the aircraft came from, 8872 came from ATL, maybe the crew is timing out, so they are stopping in MSP to get a new crew.

FWIW NBC news said they stopped in MSP to re-crew due to legalities.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:04 am

Yep.. the crew dutied on at 0600 in ATL and flew the plane (ship 128) up there. They spent 3:19 on the ground in the turn, then 2 hours deicing and subsequently ran out of time. MSP was as far as they could get (hub wise) with their allowable duty day. It had nothing to do with payload or headwinds.

They turned the plane in 38 minutes in MSP... not bad!
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:31 am

Just a quick stop to rub it in and remind the Vikings what they have been missing considering their 0 and 4 record in Super Bowls!
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:53 am

I'm kind of surprised that with a charter of that significance they didn't bring along a couple extra pilots for any number of contingencies, particularly with the wind and weather conditions going on today.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:07 am

Any extra pilots on the flight would have had the same duty day/flight time restrictions as augmentented crews don't apply to domestic operations.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:09 am

Quoting jbrusnak (Reply 21):
I'm kind of surprised that with a charter of that significance they didn't bring along a couple extra pilots for any number of contingencies, particularly with the wind and weather conditions going on today.

I suppose that extra crew onboard would be under the same time rules as the ones flying.

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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:39 am

The flight diverted to MSP because the flight deck crew started in ATL (kind of dumb) and would then be over the new FAR 117 block time limitations of 9 hours in this case. Why wouldn't DL use a crew that originated in NYC? It's DL's 2nd largest base for flight deck crew and flight attendant crew.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:40 am

Quoting jbrusnak (Reply 21):
with a charter of that significance

What makes that charter more significant than any other charter or flight?
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:46 am

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 23):
I suppose that extra crew onboard would be under the same time rules as the ones flying.
Quoting 737tanker (Reply 22):

Any extra pilots on the flight would have had the same duty day/flight time restrictions as augmentented crews don't apply to domestic operations.

Yes. I am not an expert, but according to what I'm reading, under Part 117 the original crew and any deadheaders would have timed out after 13 hours, which would be 3:00 p.m. Pacific. That was the original ETA.

When delays occurred in EWR, under the right circumstance (depending on a plethora of things) they could have elected to extend the limit to 15, but that obviously wasn't going to happen either. It looks to me like they were out of the gate at 12:26 (according to Delta.com) but not actually off the ground until just before 2:30.

Somebody with a little more crew scheduling know-how can correct me, but that's what I read.
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:51 am

Are we absolutely certain that the Seahawks are/were on that flight? Until a few moments ago, I was convinced that they'd pulled a switcheroo to avoid fan mayhem upon landing by chartering this stealthy UA 772:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL1233

In reality, I suppose the UA flight is either a weather-related repositioning, a fan charter, or an extra flight added for the Super Bowl. Plus, I imagine the Seahawks' deal with DL pretty much prevents them from using any other carrier.

In any case, millions of fans in the PNW are very excited to get them home safe and sound!   
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:52 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 1):
To restock the liquor!

Maybe they were concerned that SEA had drunk itself dry?  
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 6):
Strong headwinds, refueling stops are being made.

Ok, so both the plane and the pax needed to be refuelled?  
Quoting d l x (Reply 9):
SLC is quite a diversion for a refueling stop EWR-SEA, isn't it?

It's also a 'dry' city, so poor planning all around!
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:26 am

well...
finally something went wrong for the Seahawks this trip!
So glad they are home!
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:38 am

UA1233 was an extra section that UA added for Super Bowl traffic. Seahawks were on DL8872 and it stopped in MSP according to the news for crew change and deicing. The crew change I can see but they wouldn't stop specifically for deicing.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:46 am

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 25):
What makes that charter more significant than any other charter or flight?

Really??

The fact that it has the most talked about news story in America onboard might have something to do with it. Also Delta made a big deal about the fact that they were flying the team so it was a very high profile flight for them, not just your typical charter.
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:48 am

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 28):
Ok, so both the plane and the pax needed to be refuelled?
Quoting d l x (Reply 9):
SLC is quite a diversion for a refueling stop EWR-SEA, isn't it?

It's also a 'dry' city, so poor planning all around!

here to tell you SLC is far from Dry.
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:02 am

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 28):
well...
finally something went wrong for the Seahawks this trip!
So glad they are home!
LETS GO HAWKS!

Could've been worse, they cold have been diverted to DEN

..and "greeted" by a city full of Broncos fans.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:04 am

Quoting Coronado (Reply 19):
Just a quick stop to rub it in and remind the Vikings what they have been missing considering their 0 and 4 record in Super Bowls!

Ouch! Well it seems like half of their team played for the Vikings at some point in the past few years.

I just saw the news story of the diversion here in MSP. They had an awesome air-to-air video of their 767 taking off.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:24 pm

I think Delta did an admirable job getting all the team charters out yesterday. They canceled almost every flight out of EWR yesterday that didn't overnight there because of the weather. In the afternoon, the only flights operating were the charters. Everyone else was stuck since the ATL, MSP, DTW regularly scheduled flights after 9am were almost all canceled. I guess that shows how much they value charters since they will put all their resources into operating those flights and sacrifice the normal schedule.

Quoting OOer (Reply 23):
The flight diverted to MSP because the flight deck crew started in ATL (kind of dumb) and would then be over the new FAR 117 block time limitations of 9 hours in this case. Why wouldn't DL use a crew that originated in NYC? It's DL's 2nd largest base for flight deck crew and flight attendant crew.

I don't think they could have expected to spend over 5 hours on the ground in EWR. All the flights leaving EWR were a mess. The plane came from ATL, and ATL-EWR-SEA is not a problem normally with duty time. While it may have been easier to use a JFK based 767, that isn't where the spare plane was available.

DL had an A330 do ATL-EWR-SEA as well, but that plane spent 10 hours on the ground in EWR and needed a new crew there. DL had a 757 also scheduled to fly ATL-EWR-SEA, but they had to go to SLC.

EWR was a complete mess yesterday with delays and cancellations. At least DL operated all its flights. UA and WN flying extra sections to SEA and DEN for the fans ended up having cancellations.

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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:42 pm

Surprised know one has mentioned this yet. I am very very surprised with all the much larger Wide-bodies in DL's fleet the Seahawks only used a 767 for the Big Game. Normally for the Super Bowl DL carries one or both teams because they are the Charter carrier of so many of the NFL Teams and past teams have always upgraded for this event. I would have expected a 777 even 744 or at least an A-330. It does mention DL did operate one A-330 EWR-SEA yesterday but not for the team I presume a fan charter. This especially surprises me do the length of the flight which is over 5 hours normally westbound at least.

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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:53 pm

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 35):
Surprised know one has mentioned this yet. I am very very surprised with all the much larger Wide-bodies in DL's fleet the Seahawks only used a 767 for the Big Game. Normally for the Super Bowl DL carries one or both teams because they are the Charter carrier of so many of the NFL Teams and past teams have always upgraded for this event. I would have expected a 777 even 744 or at least an A-330. It does mention DL did operate one A-330 EWR-SEA yesterday but not for the team I presume a fan charter. This especially surprises me do the length of the flight which is over 5 hours normally westbound at least.

I think the Seahawks charter was split into two planes this year. The team and then the families/team management flew to EWR on separate days on different charter flights, which is why we saw two smaller widebodies instead of a 777 or 747. Obviously they both flew back on the same day yesterday.
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:18 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 36):
I think the Seahawks charter was split into two planes this year. The team and then the families/team management flew to EWR on separate days on different charter flights, which is why we saw two smaller widebodies instead of a 777 or 747.

That's seems to be the norm for Super Bowl now, teams usually keep the team plane the same and come down early then the rest flies in later. The 49ers did take a 744 to MSY last year but that was to allow senior players to stretch out in the forward cabin, don't think extra passengers were on this flight.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:36 pm

Quoting Coronado (Reply 19):
Just a quick stop to rub it in and remind the Vikings what they have been missing considering their 0 and 4 record in Super Bowls!

Or to rub in that they shouldn't have let Percy Harvin go? Or Tarvaris Jackson either for that matter...though Jackson didn't really have that big of an effect on the game...
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:13 pm

What????????????????Timing out on a Super Bowl charter? Are you kidding me? A contract of this magnitude should carry an extra crew. I would imagine they carry a mechanic or two. Is this because of the new FAR 117? Oh brother, we are in for some serious trouble I guess.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:45 pm

Quoting B757forever (Reply 1):
To restock the liquor!   

Maybe they ran out of Skittles.  

(And yes, I've read the thread and know the real reason)



Quoting d l x (Reply 5):
Are we sure it's a Delta flights? US apparently has three A321s flying EWR-SEA today as well.

Delta Airlines is the official airline of the Seattle Seahawks so the team travel on DL metal.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:00 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 27):
It's also a 'dry' city, so poor planning all around!

Hardly "dry" so there would be no problem replenishing the liquor kits.
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Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:03 pm

 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:16 pm

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 39):
What????????????????Timing out on a Super Bowl charter? Are you kidding me? A contract of this magnitude should carry an extra crew.

See reply 21.

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 39):
I would imagine they carry a mechanic or two.

Nope.

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 39):
Is this because of the new FAR 117?

Don't think so.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:28 pm

In the past Paul Allen chartered two NWA DC10's for frineds and family when they played in DTW in 2006. In addition he had two 757's one of which was a dedicated team airplane.

As a rule DAL does not carry mechanics on charters nor is there any reason for such.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:43 pm

Maybe they want to rub the trophy in the face of a few Vikings
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:08 pm

Quoting flynlr (Reply 31):
here to tell you SLC is far from Dry.

Sorry for any misinformation.

Quoting FSXJunkie (Reply 32):
Could've been worse, they cold have been diverted to DEN

..and "greeted" by a city full of Broncos fans.

I don't know, leaving behind the results of cleaning the lavs would be pretty symbolic, no?
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:45 pm

Quoting ual747den (Reply 30):
the most talked about news story in America

Nope - it was running second less than two hours after the game and dropped to fifth before noon Monday.

Quoting ual747den (Reply 30):
a very high profile flight

All their charters are high profile flights. The basic issue - the crew timing out - is unavoidable no matter who was flying the charter. The combination of not allow relief crews on domestic routes and the weather at EWR meant the crew was almost guaranteed to time out.

I'm sure that DL informed the Seahawks coordinator of the issues, and the passengers were briefed. DL did a very good job of handling the crew change in less than an hour,

And getting the team to Seattle a bit less than an hour beyond the original scheduled arrival time.
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:03 pm

Didn't the Seahawks used to use HA for their charters? Lucky they switched to DL. Getting another crew to MSP or anywhere else enroute could have taken a looong time.
 
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RE: DL8872 Seahawks Charter Shows Diverting To MSP

Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:07 pm

Quoting jbrusnak (Reply 20):
I'm kind of surprised that with a charter of that significance they didn't bring along a couple extra pilots for any number of contingencies, particularly with the wind and weather conditions going on today.

Crew timed out as mentioned above.

Quoting OOer (Reply 23):
The flight diverted to MSP because the flight deck crew started in ATL (kind of dumb) and would then be over the new FAR 117 block time limitations of 9 hours in this case. Why wouldn't DL use a crew that originated in NYC? It's DL's 2nd largest base for flight deck crew and flight attendant crew.

The plane had to come from ATL, also note that not just any FA's can do these charters. FA's are specifically picked by teams after interviews. IIRC the FA crew for the Seahawks are mostly SEA based.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 34):
I don't think they could have expected to spend over 5 hours on the ground in EWR. All the flights leaving EWR were a mess. The plane came from ATL, and ATL-EWR-SEA is not a problem normally with duty time. While it may have been easier to use a JFK based 767, that isn't where the spare plane was available.

The Seahawks use a domestic configured 767, everything in JFK is INTL configured, which means it won't have the WI-FI etc.

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 39):
What????????????????Timing out on a Super Bowl charter? Are you kidding me? A contract of this magnitude should carry an extra crew. I would imagine they carry a mechanic or two. Is this because of the new FAR 117? Oh brother, we are in for some serious trouble I guess.

Extra crew are subject to rules as well. Also, at the time they schedule these its a little hard to predict it would take 2.5 hours to get deiced. Then again its EWR and any day that isn't 100% perfect that airport is a mess.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 40):
Delta Airlines is the official airline of the Seattle Seahawks so the team travel on DL metal.

Official Airline has nothing to do with charters, thats all a separate contract in most cases. Just like Delta is a charter carrier of Arizona, Philadelphia, and Atlanta, but are not official airline or even sponsors.

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Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos