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highliner2
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:00 am

For ops into Key West do they utilize any unique operational procedures?

I'm assuming with that sort of runway length you'd be using Flaps 40 for arrivals and Flaps 15 for takeoffs.
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:28 am

Quoting highliner2 (Reply 50):
For ops into Key West do they utilize any unique operational procedures?

No just your standard carrier landing and max reverse   

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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:52 am

Quoting N763NW (Reply 38):
Wait what? Delta has 737-700s?

Yes, DL has 10 of them in the fleet delivered new between July 2008 and October 2009.
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:07 am

FYI all .... The 737-700's do not go to SNA anymore. The 757-200's have replaced it on the 737-700's. They do seem kind of odd in the fleet but they are used quite well within the system. That is just my two cents.
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:08 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 52):

I know, it was a little humor. I believe the only ones I've ever seen were one in St. Maarten and probably a few in ATL.
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:31 am

Quoting kevin752 (Reply 53):
FYI all .... The 737-700's do not go to SNA anymore. The 757-200's have replaced it on the 737-700's. They do seem kind of odd in the fleet but they are used quite well within the system. That is just my two cents.

When I worked at SLC, our SNA flights were 737-300s and 757-200s.
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:46 pm

For EYW routes, wouldn't the 717 be more appropriate given the short runway? IIRC, when FL flew the route (to/from ATL I presume); they used the 717 for such (as opposed to their 73Gs).
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:01 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 56):
For EYW routes, wouldn't the 717 be more appropriate given the short runway? IIRC, when FL flew the route (to/from ATL I presume); they used the 717 for such (as opposed to their 73Gs).

IIRC FL flew ATL-MCO-EYW...not ATL-EYW nonstop.
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:13 pm

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 57):
IIRC FL flew ATL-MCO-EYW...not ATL-EYW nonstop.

   Thanks for the correction/clarification.
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:31 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 56):
For EYW routes, wouldn't the 717 be more appropriate given the short runway? IIRC, when FL flew the route (to/from ATL I presume); they used the 717 for such (as opposed to their 73Gs).

FL never flew the 717 into EYW (on a scheduled basis) - was always 737-700s to both MCO and TPA.
 
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:49 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 51):
No just your standard carrier landing and max reverse

When I worked at SLC, we used to say that we could tell the difference between the ex-Navy pilots and the ex-Air Force pilots........the ex-Navy were always trying to catch the #3 wire and the ex-Air Force were greasing it in, almost the whole length of the runway.
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:08 am

The 737-700 and A319 are both sexy looking aircraft. I'm glad that Delta flies both of them.
 
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:57 am

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Quoting N763NW (Reply 38):
Wait what? Delta has 737-700s?

Yes, DL has 10 of them in the fleet delivered new between July 2008 and October 2009.

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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:10 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 14):
Delta's A319s are not set up for the "pocket rocket" flying the 73Ws are. Delta's 319s are step up for, mostly, shorter flying out of MSP and DTW. Also the engine is a big problem on the exNW fleet. Because they have the CFM56-5A engine they are maxed

Correct me I am wrong but isn't the thrust just a matter of what chip the airline purchased? I seem to recall hearing that if an airline wanted the upgrade it was relatively easy to do. NW was notoriously frugal and would only purchase what they absolutely needed. And for some reason NW either sold or returned off lease a bunch of A319's that would up in Russia. I recall seeing them sitting by the hangar in MSP with the titles painted out.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 17):
As others have stated, DL configured their 737-700s as high performance sports cars. I believe they have the highest thrust rating combined with low takeoff weights. If you look at operations in an airport like SNA, the only one operating 737-800s is AA, and on longer flights, they have to block seats off.

Flying out of SNA on a 757 always made me laugh. Their noise abatement standards are very high so almost immediately after liftoff the engines were throttled back very far and the airplane got very quiet. I often wondered how the good people of Orange County would feel if a 757 quietly plowed through their living room. Seems to me that if you buy a house near an existing airport you really can't complain about the noise. And SNA is a great, user-friendly terminal with easy access to the community.
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:49 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 63):
Correct me I am wrong but isn't the thrust just a matter of what chip the airline purchased?

The difference between the CFM56-5A and -5B series is greater than just a chip. I'm not an engine guy so I can't explain the all the differences, but there are some structural differences between the A and B series. NW could have gone for the B series for the slightly lower fuel burn and emissions at a higher purchase price, but even if they had, I'm sure they'd have gone for the same 23.5k thrust that the 319s have now. Regardless, NW would have had little use for a 27k thrust 319. There were few performance critical airports in the system that would have warranted it. Even now, the 319 does just fine from the airports DL operates it to. It will, of course, never match the 73W as the DL examples are configured, but it is somewhat disingenuous of some to paint the 319 as a less than capable airplane.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 63):
And for some reason NW either sold or returned off lease a bunch of A319's that would up in Russia

Lease returns during bankruptcy.

[Edited 2014-02-22 10:53:24]
 
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:04 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 63):

In some engines yes,
But the CFM56-5A and the CFM56-5B have major differences. Example, the -5B has an extra compressor stage.
 
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:18 am

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 1):
73H
Quoting maddogjt8d (Reply 5):
73G
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 14):
73W



I often see 77E, 77F and 77W for the B-777, but I'm not sure how that shorthand plays out with the B-737. I see from this thread that 73G is a 737-700 but which ones are the 73H and 73W?
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:27 am

Quoting Caryjack (Reply 66):
I often see 77E, 77F and 77W for the B-777, but I'm not sure how that shorthand plays out with the B-737. I see from this thread that 73G is a 737-700 but which ones are the 73H and 73W?

73H is the IATA code for the 737-800 with winglets, and 73W the 737-700 with winglets. 73G is the standard generic code for the 737-700

Sometimes carriers also use their own internal codes that differ from the IATA codes to identify aircraft with different equipment or seating configurations etc.
 
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RE: Does DL Really Need The 737-700?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:29 am

Quoting Caryjack (Reply 66):

73G and 73W are 737-700s
73W is the delta internal code for the 737-700

73H iirc is the code for a 737-800 with winglets but it is also the internal Delta code for the 738s with winglet and AVOD. 738 is the code for 800s (now with winglets) and drop down TVs

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