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Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:41 pm

45 years ago today the iconic Queen of the Sky made her first flight from Paine Field Washington.
She changed air travel forever. Such a massive jump in size from the 707 or DC-8
It was a very different world then in many many ways. Airbus was still being formed and was 3 years from flying it's first aircraft. Mc Donnell/Douglas was still getting over it's merger and working on the DC10. Lockheed were re entering the commercial aviation market with their beautiful but sadly commercially unsuccessful L1011 Tristar. Also Concorde with it's speed which many had high hopes for at the time.
The 747 reigned supreme for more or less 40 years. In my opinion she is still one of the very best rides in the sky, especially in First up in the nose or in business on the upper deck.
What will the next 45 years hold? Hopefully an A380-900 and a new large twin from Airbus and Boeing plus new narrow bodied twins. But these will not be anything like the massive change is size which the 747 brought.
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Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:17 pm

Quoting cv990coronado (Thread starter):
What will the next 45 years hold? Hopefully an A380-900 and a new large twin from Airbus and Boeing plus new narrow bodied twins. But these will not be anything like the massive change is size which the 747 brought.

I think anything truly new (not a derivative of a model existing today) won't be seen from Airbus or Boeing for at least another 25 years. In many ways, the 747 was the last "innovative" passenger aircraft concept from Boeing. Everything else since that has been a derivative of an already existing product (as an example, the 767 being Boeing's answer to the widebody twin A300).
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:17 pm

There was, and will never be, anything like the 747. The most gorgeous aircraft ever to fly, IMHO.
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Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:58 pm

Saw the original 747 last summer at the Museum of Flight
at Boeing Field.

Are there any plans to restore that magnificent bird
and get her an indoor display area ?

She looked like the un-restored '55 T-Bird we have in our garage.
 
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Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:13 pm

Time flies... even scarier is that this April is 26 years since the 744 first flew.

It seems like a couple of years ago since SAA got their first one, and that was 23 years ago on 20 January, 1991. I remember the ceremony in hangar 8 at JNB like it was just a while ago.
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Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:50 pm

Quoting andz (Reply 4):

Yes a very good point. Another often forgotten change the 744 made was it's ability to go from take off to approximately FL310. Before the 744 from my memory most aircraft only climbed slowly burning fuel before they could get any where near normal cruise heights in the high 30's.


Quoting KFlyer (Reply 2):

Yes I agree 100%. The first aircraft I flew on and still IMHO the best ever made.

[Edited 2014-02-10 04:30:22 by SA7700]
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Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:25 pm

Here is an article about the anniversary in The Atlantic:

http://www.theatlantic.com/technolog...747-takes-its-first-flight/252800/

Includes a photo of the very first takeoff from Everett!

[Edited 2014-02-09 11:00:42]

[Edited 2014-02-09 11:02:21]
 
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Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:51 pm

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 2):
There was, and will never be, anything like the 747. The most gorgeous aircraft ever to fly, IMHO.

I´ll put my three exclamation marks behind it. Everything with wings since pales in comparison to the grand old lady.

My god, 45 years. And the 744 26 years, cant really believe its that long.
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:18 pm

Now that the 777X is basically replacing it, I'd expect in about 10-15 years later it'll be over for almost all 747.
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Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:40 pm

I know that there's a lot of talk about the B787 and A380, but for those of us from the 50s/60s generation, the last truly revolutionary planes were the 747 and Concorde. I don't think that we'll see that type of step change again until a BWB plane or some sort of economic SST.
 
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Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:42 pm

45 years old and you'd still take a ride on her!
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Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:11 pm

Quoting andz (Reply 4):
It seems like a couple of years ago since SAA got their first one, and that was 23 years ago on 20 January, 1991. I remember the ceremony in hangar 8 at JNB like it was just a while ago.

Andz-

Out of Curiosity, which one was the first 744 for SA? I have a friend from Kempton Park who was on the delivery flight....

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Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:27 am

Quoting foxecho (Reply 12):

She was ZS-SAV c/n 24976 named Durban. She was delivered to SAA on Jan 19th 1991. There were 3 more of the original order of 4 744's (ZS- SAW/X/Y) which were delivered June 28 1991, Oct 27 1992 and Oct 5 1993. All for had Rolls Royce RB 211's which was a first for SAA as all their previous 747's were Pratt & Whitney powered.
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Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:12 pm

Quoting andz (Reply 4):
even scarier is that this April is 26 years since the 744 first flew.

As long as she's been well maintained, I have no qualms whatsoever about flying on a 26 year old aircraft...actually, I'd pick the oldest airworthy 747 over a fresh off the line 777 any day of the week!

Quoting tristan7977 (Reply 9):
Now that the 777X is basically replacing it, I'd expect in about 10-15 years later it'll be over for almost all 747.

Sadly, that's almost certainly true...it'll be a dark day IMHO...

Quoting hinckley (Reply 10):
I don't think that we'll see that type of step change again until a BWB plane or some sort of economic SST.

   I was thinking the same thing...I'm sure something will happen; whether it'll happen in my lifetime or not is another question...
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RE: Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:04 pm

Quoting tristan7977 (Reply 8):
Now that the 777X is basically replacing it, I'd expect in about 10-15 years later it'll be over for almost all 747.

Sic transit gloria mundi. What a miserable replacement that would be, its so sad.
 
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RE: Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:24 pm

I would rather see the Queen pass the torch to the 777X than see some Airbus product take her place.
No doubt the most beautiful jet ever made!
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RE: Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:18 am

@Boeing778X
I think the whole point of the 747 and it's impact on aviation is the it was revolutionary and yes very beautiful.
Sadly IMHO the 777 is at best evolutionary. Yes it's a good looking aircraft but not it's in the 747's league.
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RE: Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:45 am

I got to tour the World's Largest Building (by volume) where all the Queens were built when my Dad worked there.
That is one very very large building. It's even bigger now- they've added on to it at least twice since then.

I have flown on a 747 a few times.
Once was on United Airlines from Seattle to Chicago for boot camp- circa 1988.
The other two trips were on Northwest airlines in 2002- Seattle to Tokyo to Singapore- all on the same jet!!!
From there I rode a chartered DC-8 down to Diego Garcia, but that's another story- as is the return trip.





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RE: Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:46 am

I was beginning to think that I might never get a chance to fly on a 747, and then the requirement arose that I go to the Philippines, and it happened that the cheapest way at the time was DL on a 747. And now it looks like I will be going again frequently, and DL is for now my airline of choice. So I am quite happy to be able to fly on the Queen, and I agree that she is the most beautiful and iconic aircraft ever.   
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Congratulations to Boeing and to Joe Sutter, the father of the 747.

I had the opportunity to meet Joe in 2013 and he is an excellent guy. 92 years old, but still so fit. I loved talking to him and listen to his stories of the 747.

I am piloting 744 and 748 and I love them both. The 744 is classic, the 748 is simply amazing. Beautiful.

And I must say, I feel so safe on board the 747's. They are unbelievable reliable and incredibly redundant.

I did 270 flights on the 747 and I cannot say that I didn't like any of them. They were all fabolous 

I simply love the 747   

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Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:11 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 19):

I am piloting 744 and 748 and I love them both. The 744 is classic, the 748 is simply amazing. Beautiful.

All I can say is that I envy you.
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Quoting SEPilot (Reply 20):
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 19):

I am piloting 744 and 748 and I love them both. The 744 is classic, the 748 is simply amazing. Beautiful.

All I can say is that I envy you.

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RE: Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:24 pm

Quoting warden145 (Reply 13):
Quoting andz (Reply 4):even scarier is that this April is 26 years since the 744 first flew.
As long as she's been well maintained, I have no qualms whatsoever about flying on a 26 year old aircraft...actually, I'd pick the oldest airworthy 747 over a fresh off the line 777 any day of the week!

I meant it is scary that it is 26 years already.

Quoting cv990coronado (Reply 12):
She was ZS-SAV c/n 24976 named Durban. She was delivered to SAA on Jan 19th 1991.

I swiped this model off the table at the welcoming ceremony in hangar 8, it still sits with my other models on the wall unit in my lounge. Yes it is missing an engine but I have it somewhere, I must just glue it on again!

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RE: Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:18 am

@andz Great model - not Lebombo but there we are talking of a very special aircraft.
Miss the old orange and blue.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 19):
Congratulations to Boeing and to Joe Sutter, the father of the 747.

I had the opportunity to meet Joe in 2013 and he is an excellent guy. 92 years old, but still so fit. I loved talking to him and listen to his stories of the 747.

I am piloting 744 and 748 and I love them both. The 744 is classic, the 748 is simply amazing. Beautiful.

I am very jealous, to meet such an aviation icon must have been incredible experience.
I have been on all models of the 747 except the 748. Sadly they don't come down this way so that will probably not happen.
I was once in a MD11 in a very serious situation and I distinctly remember thinking, sitting in my seat that I wished I was in a 747 and not an MD11. I would then have felt much safer - she was just designed and built so well. I don't think that Boeing or Airbus will make anything that has such a revolutionary impact on the aviation industry.
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RE: Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:28 am

Quoting cv990coronado (Reply 23):
I am very jealous, to meet such an aviation icon must have been incredible experience.

Yes, it was a privilege and I enjoyed it a lot and was very happy to meet him. Absolute great guy.

Quoting cv990coronado (Reply 23):
I have been on all models of the 747 except the 748

Who knows where LH is sending the 748 to when all 19 are in the fleet. Currently 10 are actually flying. So you nerver know.

To the next 45 years of 747 

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RE: Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:31 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 19):
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Congratulations to Boeing and to Joe Sutter, the father of the 747.

I had the opportunity to meet Joe in 2013 and he is an excellent guy. 92 years old, but still so fit. I loved talking to him and listen to his stories of the 747.

I am piloting 744 and 748 and I love them both. The 744 is classic, the 748 is simply amazing. Beautiful.

And I must say, I feel so safe on board the 747's. They are unbelievable reliable and incredibly redundant.

I did 270 flights on the 747 and I cannot say that I didn't like any of them. They were all fabolous

I simply love the 747

wilco737

What an inspiring post Wilco


Many happy landings and enjoy the Queen of the skies !
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RE: Boeing 747 First Flight 45 Years Ago - Feb. 9

Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:10 am

747 was initially designed to be a bulky cargo plane. So nothing really innovative in it, especially when compared to supersonic plane projects at that time.

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