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Quoting ytz (Thread starter): ANC is so well positioned to be the LHR or DXB of the North Pacific. |
Quoting ytz (Thread starter): ANC is so well positioned to be the LHR or DXB of the North Pacific. |
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1): So well positioned from where ? Nowadays, airlines can fly nonstop from North America to eastern Asia cities. The only time ANC was a major place regarding passenger flight was before Russia opened its airspace and when European carrier were flying to Japan (for instance) through ANC. Then everything changed, including long-haul aircraft range. Even YVR is being more and more bypassed by trans-Pacific flights, so why would anyone build a hub up there in Alaska? |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 2): The distances between North America and Asia are well within the non-stop design range of most widebody aircraft families so there is no need to stop in ANC. |
Quoting ytz (Thread starter): I know ANC is a tpac cargo hub and fuel stop. But how come the same never really happened on the pax side? And I mean beyond just a refuelling stop. ANC is so well positioned to be the LHR or DXB of the North Pacific. |
Quoting flyby519 (Reply 4): I'd love to see AS make it a tpac hub. The 737MAX should be able to do ANC-NRT |
Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 6): I suppose it would be a set up like Reykjavik. Many airlines and a/c fly N America- Europe n/s, but Icelandair seems to have found a nice niche in what they do. |
Quoting ytz (Thread starter): But how come the same never really happened on the pax side? And I mean beyond just a refuelling stop. ANC is so well positioned to be the LHR or DXB of the North Pacific. |
Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9): It would be interesting to see AS take a go at a similar arrangement to FI with connections between East Asia and the U.S. allowing for "free stopovers" in Alaska to promote tourism, but I doubt the market would make it economically feasible. |
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5): The same can be said for DXB, AUH, DOH or IST. Why would anyone fly LHR-Asia or ME via DXB when they can fly nonstop? |
Quoting flyby519 (Reply 7): Cheaper tickets and more city pair options |
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 13): As well as the level of service on board in First and Business, and also to a certain extent the shopping mall experience/opportunity of DXB. |
Quoting 777stl (Reply 12): As a connecting hub, well, why would you connect somewhere that's 2000 miles from your destination? That sort of flying would never be economical. |
Quoting N766UA (Reply 17): Who on earth would want to stop in Alaska? I mean, seriously, nobody wants to do that. If I want to get to Asia, I'll hop a 50 minute flight to JFK or an hour and 20 to Boston, not 6 hours to friggen Anchorage. |
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5): The same can be said for DXB, AUH, DOH or IST. Why would anyone fly LHR-Asia or ME via DXB when they can fly nonstop? |
Quoting ytz (Reply 22): |
Quoting ytz (Thread starter): And I mean beyond just a refuelling stop. ANC is so well positioned to be the LHR or DXB of the North Pacific. |
Quoting flyby519 (Reply 23): Is there much demand for Europeans to travel to Hawaii as a leisure destination? ANC would serve as an efficient stopping point. |
Quoting ytz (Reply 22): I'm thinking more like a wave hub. Virtually all of the US is within reach of a narrowbody from ANC. And all North Asia could be run to using shorter range widebodies at full load. Or even some of those widebodies to the CONUS. |
Quoting ADent (Reply 28): How about a nice hub at GUM? Sure you need widebody feed to the US mainland, but you can use narrowbodies to serve TYO, HKG, SIN, SYD, etc. |
Quoting ytz (Reply 22): For example, places like KIX would have way more US/Canada options with the one stop at ANC. Pasengers from JFK would gain better one stop options to places like MNL and SGN. I would posit that this would be much more efficient than running routes like DTW-MNL with a 777 beyond the max payload range. |
Quoting JA743J (Reply 29): How many US cities have a non-stop to ANC? Do you really think there will be enough TPAC demand from each cities to fill a plane in many smaller cities currently served via hubs? |
Quoting flyby519 (Reply 18): I honestly don't know, but would a passenger prefer a 1hr flight followed by a 13hr flight? Or a 7hr flight followed by a 7hr flight? |
Quoting LH707330 (Reply 8): If you're going between two smaller cities, it may make more sense to fly a one-stop through ANC or KEF than go two stop to your local hub, cross the pond to a second hub, then take another spoke route to your destination. |
Quoting Mcdu (Reply 10): To have a hub you need O&D traffic to support the network. Without the O&D demand you have DAY, BNA, CVG, MEM, CLE, CMH, RDU etc etc |
Quoting TheCheese (Reply 32): With the population of the Anchorage Metro area being just under 300,000 people and the whole of the state totaling less than 750,000 folks, the O&D for the area is nil. |
Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 15): Clear that statement up for me. So if one was flying ATL-SEA-NRT, that must be uneconomical, since SEA is over 2000 miles from both ATL and NRT. |
Quoting N766UA (Reply 19): I suppose it depends, but I'd rather just be on my way and get it over with. |
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1): Even YVR is being more and more bypassed by trans-Pacific flights |
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 40): The routing was understood to be NRT up over Aleutain Islands over ANC down to SEA or SFO where the teams changed aircraft only fly north again 2.5 hours NNW of SEA to JNU or five hours from SFO. That's a lot of unnecessary flying in that JNU is a one hour fifteen minute flight SSE or ANC. Had the DL flight stopped in ANC the teams could have easily transferred over to AS for a backdoor flight to JNU. |
Quoting 777stl (Reply 36): My point was that a hub in ANC would never work when the bulk of the population of this country lives 3,000 miles away on the right coast. A bunch of long, thin routes to the east coast(or the midwest/southern part of the US) would never be economical from such a hub. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 35): I look at 3000nm range from ANC, the range for a NEO or MAX hub and except for some cities in North Japan, I'm just not seeing opportunities on the Asian side. |
Quoting 747megatop (Reply 24): Well ANC is in the middle of nowhere and nothing much happens there. Anchorage is NOT a London or Dubai . |
Quoting jourdan747 (Reply 45): Japan Airlines flys nonstop from Japan to Fairbanks this winter as charter flights. |
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 1): Even YVR is being more and more bypassed by trans-Pacific flights, |
Quoting ytz (Reply 43): My thinking runs along the lines of NEO/MAX to lots of smaller and medium sized cities. 787s to further centres like MIA or largers centres like NYC or YTO. And then 787s to several cities in China, Japan, and Korea. Not just the major ones like TYO or PVG. But also, places like CTU. And other regional cities which may have pax potential but not necessarily the same amount of business potential. Such as MNL. |