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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:34 pm

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 199):
The specific word liquidate was never used, no. But the term Comair 2 is pretty evident and we all knew what they meant by it. Now they've already walked that back after we told them to shove it.

The no voters don't speak for everyone at Envoy. I am sure there are some folks there that would be happy with the agreement and some flying will remain at least until the last 145 is retired. It's going to be real interesting to see what plays out here in the next month or so. My money is on Republic gaining more 175 flying in the near future. They are shutting down AA and UA 140/145 flying. That will free up pilots to operate the 175.
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:51 pm

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 200):
My money is on Republic gaining more 175 flying in the near future.

Wasn't RP awarded the UA E-175 flying?
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:07 am

Yeah Republic needed pilots to staff the 25 E175 they still have coming for AA, that's why they probably shut down chataqua. We will see how they can take on more AE flying, at least they are giving their pilots raises that should help.
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:01 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 201):
Wasn't RP awarded the UA E-175 flying?

Is it YX or OO that's going to operate the UA 175? I thought I saw something this week that said Skywest was the operator.
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:22 am

OO have 100 E-175 on order + 100 options. 40 will operate on the United side out of ORD and 60 are unassigned. The UA E-175 went to Mesa and sounds like they will be based out of IAH.
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:07 pm

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 200):
The no voters don't speak for everyone at Envoy. I am sure there are some folks there that would be happy with the agreement and some flying will remain at least until the last 145 is retired. It's going to be real interesting to see what plays out here in the next month or so. My money is on Republic gaining more 175 flying in the near future. They are shutting down AA and UA 140/145 flying. That will free up pilots to operate the 175.

Republic is using those pilots to cover the United Q-400 flying and the current AA E-175 flying. They don't have the pilots to pick up more flying.
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:38 am

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 203):
Is it YX or OO that's going to operate the UA 175? I thought I saw something this week that said Skywest was the operator.
Quoting AvSafety46 (Reply 204):
OO have 100 E-175 on order + 100 options. 40 will operate on the United side out of ORD and 60 are unassigned. The UA E-175 went to Mesa and sounds like they will be based out of IAH.

That makes sense... I must have heard wrong, but then again it wasn't a completely reliable source... I was thinking about how RP would staff those if they can't fly all of their Q400s for UA as it is.

Also, I have a feeling several of those OO E175s that are not currently assigned may end up flying for UA as OO retires more CR2s. Though this is just a feeling, no actual facts behind it.

The E175s being based in IAH is probably a goo place for them, but they will have to spread out a bit to cover many more routes. There are a few routes covered by E45 and CR7 that are always weight restricted because they are really too far for those aircraft.

Quoting norcal (Reply 205):
Republic is using those pilots to cover the United Q-400 flying and the current AA E-175 flying. They don't have the pilots to pick up more flying.

I am curious to see what RP is going to do to gain more flying.
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:48 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 206):
There are a few routes covered by E45 and CR7 that are always weight restricted because they are really too far for those aircraft.

The E145XR is almost never weight restricted.
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:59 am

Quoting flight152 (Reply 207):
The E145XR is almost never weight restricted.

XR, no, but the others are... Unless you are talking PIT-DEN haha
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:26 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 208):
XR, no, but the others are... Unless you are talking PIT-DEN haha

The LRs rarely are also, usually only when an alternate is needed that has a burn over 1200+ pounds.

PIT-DEN has only been weight restricted a hand full of times this winter, and that was due to takeoff weight, not a landing structural weight issue.
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:52 am

Quoting flight152 (Reply 209):
The LRs rarely are also, usually only when an alternate is needed that has a burn over 1200+ pounds.

PIT-DEN has only been weight restricted a hand full of times this winter, and that was due to takeoff weight, not a landing structural weight issue.

I have rarely seen an E145 restricted due to structural landing weight... Usually just the takeoff weight.
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:00 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 210):

Happens a fair amount on shorter fights. Commuting MLI-ORD I run into the issue from time to time if he weather is bad and there's an alternate listed.
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:16 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 210):

I have rarely seen an E145 restricted due to structural landing weight... Usually just the takeoff weight.

Landing structural weight is the limiting factor 90% of the time. But what do I know? I only fly them for a living.
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:09 am

Quoting flight152 (Reply 212):
Landing structural weight is the limiting factor 90% of the time. But what do I know? I only fly them for a living.

I am saying for the flights I routinely see... Which are longer flights. I am sure the short flights have the issue of Landing weight.
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:30 am

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 201):

The UA E75 flying is going to OO.
This may they will start operations. Remember those aircraft were ordered by United.
Also, OO will be owning like 100 of those, and operate 40 for United.

[Edited 2014-02-23 21:31:11]
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:33 am

Quoting shaq (Reply 214):
This may they will start operations. Remember those aircraft were ordered by United.

What about the ones that are starting ORD-BOS?
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:59 pm

I guess I have a couple of questions.

First, are schools like Purdue and Embry-Riddle still graduating pilots at the same rate as 5 or 10 years ago? Or, are people simply passing on careers as commercial pilots and finding other careers?

Second, where are the pilots that are leaving Envoy (or Republic, and other regionals) going? I know that the majors (UA, AA, DL, WN, etc.) are hiring, especially as more pilots start bumping up against age 65, but they can't be hiring all of the pilots that are leaving the regionals.

Is there that many opportunities these days in flying business jets? I read in the WSJ, IIRC, that biz jet deliveries for 2013 were 1% greater than 2012. I think that was the first year that showed an increase since the financial crisis. But, is there enough pick-up in biz jet flying to create the drain that we are in seeing in the pilot ranks at the regionals?
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:50 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 216):

From the people I've spoken with recently at Eagle, it varies. Some have gotten hired at UA and DL but a lot are going to Spirit and I just ran into someone today who is going to jetBlue. I'm leaving Wednesday for a corporate gig and there's also a chunk that are getting out of the industry altogether.
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:26 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 216):
First, are schools like Purdue and Embry-Riddle still graduating pilots at the same rate as 5 or 10 years ago? Or, are people simply passing on careers as commercial pilots and finding other careers?

Second, where are the pilots that are leaving Envoy (or Republic, and other regionals) going? I know that the majors (UA, AA, DL, WN, etc.) are hiring, especially as more pilots start bumping up against age 65, but they can't be hiring all of the pilots that are leaving the regionals.

Is there that many opportunities these days in flying business jets? I read in the WSJ, IIRC, that biz jet deliveries for 2013 were 1% greater than 2012. I think that was the first year that showed an increase since the financial crisis. But, is there enough pick-up in biz jet flying to create the drain that we are in seeing in the pilot ranks at the regionals?

First, many flight schools are seeing lower numbers, but not crippling numbers. One thing to remember though, is that Embry-Riddle and Purdue, and UND, and KSU-Salina offer many opportunities within the college. KSU-Salina for one offers some ATC courses and many students who are there initially for flight training and even gain CFI ratings end up going into the FAA or corporate worlds... Also, several aviation universities offer aviation maintenance programs as well that still see strong numbers.

Second, it is a little bit of everything. DL, UA, JB, AA, NK, WN, or corporate such as net jets. Also a few going to FedEx and UPS. But there are many more just leaving the flying gig and going into FAA or NTSB or ATC, or even other industries all together.

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 217):
From the people I've spoken with recently at Eagle, it varies. Some have gotten hired at UA and DL but a lot are going to Spirit and I just ran into someone today who is going to jetBlue. I'm leaving Wednesday for a corporate gig and there's also a chunk that are getting out of the industry altogether.

I wish you good luck on your new opportunity! I agree that many have been leaving altogether. Several are finding ways to use their experience in other jobs, or completely switching gears.
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:06 pm

Someone applying for a pilot position at MQ received this response, now this is really interesting AAG is shrinking MQ to non existence but they are offering 10k for a sign on bonus? They want to make it attractive to a new hire but leave a crappy contract for their experienced pilots?......

A review of your application shows that you graduated from one of our partner aviation universities. American Eagle is offering a $10,000 bonus to new pilots who graduated from one our partner university programs and meet minimum requirements detailed below. The $10,000 bonus is contingent on a 2 year employment agreement with American Eagle. We are currently hiring into both the EMJ-140/145 and CRJ-700 aircraft. We have pilot domiciles in Dallas/Fort Worth, Chicago O’Hare, Miami, and New York’s JFK and LaGuardia airports.

We are also offering a $5,000 bonus to pilots who do not meet the requirements of the aviation university programs. Feel free to contact us for more information.


Minimums to qualify for $10,000 bonus:
-Graduate with an Aviation Bachelor Degree
-Minimum overall cumulative GPA of 2.5
-Minimum cumulative GPA of 3.0 in aviation courses
-Complete certificates at University:
>Instrument
>Commercial
>Multi-Engine

(CFII obtained at University can be substituted for Instrument requirement above)



Partner University Programs:

Embry Riddle Aeronautical University
Jacksonville University
LeTourneau University
Liberty University
Minnesota State University
Oklahoma University
San Diego Christian College
Southeastern Oklahoma University
Spartan College of Aeronautics
University of Central Missouri
University of North Dakota
Western Michigan University
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:08 am

Quoting Turboprop72 (Reply 219):
Someone applying for a pilot position at MQ received this response, now this is really interesting AAG is shrinking MQ to non existence but they are offering 10k for a sign on bonus? They want to make it attractive to a new hire but leave a crappy contract for their experienced pilots?......

Wow, somewhat shocking that they are still showing the CR7...
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:35 am

Apparently the AIP is not managements last best offer! Why are they just taking the flying to other carriers as they threatened?


February 28, 2014

MEC Newsblast

Meeting News

As you are aware, we are in a very fluid situation as it relates to our current dialog with the company. Next week, we are meeting with company executives in Washington D.C. in an effort to secure a mutually-beneficial agreement to refleet our carrier.

In order to ensure that the MEC is able to receive timely, unfiltered information, we have decided to move the MEC meeting that was previously scheduled in Euless to Washington D.C. Moving the location of the meeting will enable us to have frank discussions within the MEC, while avoiding any delays in discussing the results of the company meeting.

We understood your concerns about the AIP. Your concerns regarding the uncertainty of the present situation are also understandable. We will continue to be transparent and communicate about our meeting with company executives as soon as possible. We understand your desire to know what the future holds for us and the MEC will be working diligently to quickly provide you with solutions.

The goals of the company and of ALPA are the same; we both desire a strong, growing future for American Eagle Airlines. It is in the best interests of all employees, management, investors and our customers. We will continue to look for solutions that lead to a strong future for the company, that also recognize our value to AAG and our position in the industry. We are confident that as long as AAG and EGL ALPA work together, we can achieve these goals.

Stay tuned as we move forward and stay united.

Bill Sprague

MEC Chairman
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:54 am

Quoting Turboprop72 (Reply 221):
Apparently the AIP is not managements last best offer! Why are they just taking the flying to other carriers as they threatened?

MQ MEC called the bluff perfectly!! AA knows it can't just move all the flying immediately, NO CARRIER has the capacity or crew to pull that off, and AA knows it.
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:30 pm

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 218):
I wish you good luck on your new opportunity!

Thanks very much! I just finished my first trip last week and I can't even describe the feeling of just hopping in my car and driving five minutes to and from work. Haha Not to mention all the other perks. Eagle was a good airline and I learned immensely, but I'm very happy with my decision.
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:58 am

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 223):
Thanks very much! I just finished my first trip last week and I can't even describe the feeling of just hopping in my car and driving five minutes to and from work. Haha Not to mention all the other perks. Eagle was a good airline and I learned immensely, but I'm very happy with my decision.

I had the pleasure of talking to a MQ pilot yesterday, and it seems that the pilot losses are only mounting.
 
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:30 am

So after all this MEC reverses itself and the AIP will after all go out for a pilot vote.

ALPA has scheduled the voting between March 13 and 28th.


Tentative Agreement to be Sent to Our Pilots for Ratification Vote
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...merican-eagle-pilot-contract.html/

Sprague: Here’s why we decide to send out the American Eagle tentative agreement
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...an-eagle-tentative-agreement.html/

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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:33 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 225):
So after all this MEC reverses itself and the AIP will after all go out for a pilot vote.

It's not the same AIP, there are some differences.

Still concessionary, though, from what I hear. So the odds of passage aren't great.

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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:44 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 226):
It's not the same AIP, there are some differences.

From article

"ALPA’s American Eagle Master Executive Council (MEC) voted today to send the Tentative Agreement (TA), formerly the Agreement in Principle, to our professional pilots for a ratification vote. "

They sound like one in the same
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RE: AE/Envoy MEC Reject AIP

Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:59 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 227):

It's not the same. The company added some 'incentives' but I still give this about a zero percent chance of passing.

Quoting tyler81190 (Reply 224):

It's getting very interesting with regards to staffing. I have a feeling this summer is going to be pretty difficult.
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