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Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:01 pm

Looks like FI is having some good success on a route that hasn't started.

Due to higher than anticipated demand, Icelandair is adding 5th weekly operation on Reykjavik – Edmonton route, from 03JUN14 to 02SEP14. New flight operates on Tuesdays.
FI693 KEF1645 – 1725YEG 75W x47
FI692 YEG1825 – 0640+1KEF 75W x47
The airline will launch this route from 05MAR14, initially 4 times a week.
In addition, the carrier from 28MAY14 to 24SEP14 will further increase Reykjavik – Zurich service, as the airline increases from 2 to 4 weekly, instead of 3.
FI568 KEF0720 – 1300ZRH 75W x157
FI569 ZRH1400 – 1550KEF 75W x157
http://airlineroute.net/2014/02/14/fi-yegzrh-jun14/
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:54 pm

Icelandair is adding Boeing B757-200, I think 3, they buy again old AA birds, the first is according to skyliner N638AA and will become TF-ISD.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:44 am

Aren't they acquiring 787s?
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:53 am

No 737 Max IIRC, not 787.
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:46 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
Aren't they acquiring 787s?

Hardly.

FL Group, an Investment company which owned Icelandair until 2006, ordered 2 + 2 B787 in 2005 and 2006.

In reality FL Group went bankrupt in 2007, but was reorganized in 2009 after a settlement with the creditors and changed name to Stodir. Creditors accepted to have debts converted to Stodir shares.

I think that those 4 orders have been transfered to other leasing companies or cancelled.

When last year Icelandair ordered 16 B737MAX there was no words about any outstanding 787 order.
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:45 am

At least one of the Icelandair 787 have been acquired or are on their way to Norwegian.

I wonder why the demand is so great on the Edmonton route? Are they underserved?
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:53 am

Very few choices other than *A and AC. WS has been providing links to the international carriers they cooperate with. Otherwise its a seasonal link with TS to LGW in the summer and AC provides a non stop summer link to LHR. Fantastic FI is doing well with the first flight not even have taken off yet!
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:59 am

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 6):
Very few choices other than *A and AC. WS has been providing links to the international carriers they cooperate with. Otherwise its a seasonal link with TS to LGW in the summer and AC provides a non stop summer link to LHR. Fantastic FI is doing well with the first flight not even have taken off y

That's interesting.

Seems like Icelandair are doing pretty good with their strategy of linking both large and smaller cities on both sides of the Atlantic through Reykjavik. Their location gives them a pretty unique opportunity of transporting pax efficiently using narrowbodies, and at the same time giving people in the backwaters of North America and Europe the chance to travel to major destinations one-stop at a reasonable price.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:13 am

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 4):
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
Aren't they acquiring 787s?

Hardly.

FL Group, an Investment company which owned Icelandair until 2006, ordered 2 + 2 B787 in 2005 and 2006.

In reality FL Group went bankrupt in 2007, but was reorganized in 2009 after a settlement with the creditors and changed name to Stodir. Creditors accepted to have debts converted to Stodir shares.

I think that those 4 orders have been transfered to other leasing companies or cancelled.

When last year Icelandair ordered 16 B737MAX there was no words about any outstanding 787 order.

There is still one B787-8 on order for Icelandair. Icelandair sold three slots to Norwegian.

Icelandair Group, not to be confused with FL Group, includes the lease and wet lease operation. Investors bought Icelandair and all the flight related operations out of FL Group and organized it as Icelandair Group. Icelandair Group was established 2006.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:01 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 7):
Seems like Icelandair is doing pretty well with their strategy of linking both large and smaller cities on both sides of the Atlantic through Reykjavik. Their location gives them a pretty unique opportunity of transporting pax efficiently using narrowbodies, and at the same time giving people in the backwaters of North America and Europe the chance to travel to major destinations one-stop at a reasonable price.
FI has been doing this for years than I can remember, and I remember the DC-8 fleet, the LUX-JFK non-stops, and when they took their first 757. The 757 has taken then into just about any market they would likely want to enter, with the exception of LAS, PHX, LAX, SFO, as the 757 hasn't those legs, and that ill fated 767 in and out of SFO, which was a total shame, since FI put in a fair amount of advertising and marketing that flight.

I worked for an agency in SFO during that time FI was coming to town, and we got in the unique place of being their partner agency to the gay community in the area, which is huge, right.

We had a myriad of great connections, we threw an epic blow out for FI, at a favorite gay bar, we raffled trips, and signed others up for a group tour of Amsterdam, for 30 gay guys, with a 2 day stop in KEF on the way over.

I love FI and I wish the 767 had worked for them, but it seems they have the right idea, and have made great moves. As the 757 is retired & the 737 MAX enters the fleet, I hope they can continue with the expansion into mid level cities, I suspect range will be an issue, as there are a limited number of viable destinations they can serve non-stop from KEF.

Maybe this rumor link, that there may be a possible 757 replacement coming in the future, should have FI asking questions before any 737 MAX comes on property.

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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:24 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9):
I love FI and I wish the 767 had worked for them,

The B767-300ER was too big for their model of operation. Their model seems only to work when they can offer several connections a week.. If you can get to 4 times a week it works well.
They used the B767 on SFO, Japan and CPH, CPH for capacity. But it was too expensive compared to the B757 on per seat basis to CPH and too much capacity to SFO and Japan.

Regarding the MAX we have to wait and see, perhaps they will use them and still use a few B757 beside, perhaps they will lease the MAX to other airlines, they did that with 8 B737-800.

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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:45 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9):

Sounds like you had fun working with them back then.   I've always liked Icelandair as well, but I don't know that much about them.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:57 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 11):
Sounds like you had fun working with them back then.   I've always liked Icelandair as well, but I don't know that much about them.

FI was awesome to us, all of us got to go at least once with them to Europe, with 2 days in KEF. I led the tour group to Amsterdam for 30 of San Franciscos funnest guys, we had a week total, and everone slept soundly all the way home. We had as lot of fun, they really did a huge amount of advertising but it was too hard for them to fill that 763.

It's a bummer that SEA is within the range of the 757 but SFO is not. I always hoped FI would come to PDX, but as AS code shares via SEA, I am guessing no.
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:03 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 12):

I think westbound KEF-SEA at 3,148 nm is near the limit for a B757-200 with winglets.
KEF-PDX is 3,248 nm.
I know that KEF-HAV at 3368 nm is out of range for a at all time non stop westbound trip.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:13 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 13):
I think westbound KEF-SEA at 3,148 nm is near the limit for a B757-200 with winglets.
KEF-PDX is 3,248 nm.

There are longer 757 nonstops than KEF-SEA, some up to 10% longer. A few that come to mind:

TXL-EWR 3.458 nm
STR-EWR 3,420 nm
ARN-EWR 3,415 nm
OSL-EWR 3,212 nm

NW once operated the 757 on FRA-DTW, 3,616 nm.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:23 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
There are longer 757 nonstops than KEF-SEA, some up to 10% longer. A few that come to mind:

I believe FI squeezes more seats in their 752's than UA.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:11 pm

I do not know how many pax UA carries, Icelandair has about 180pax. When I talk about range, I talk about full load westbound in all weathers.
The range of the B757-200 with winglets is 4,100 nm in still air, without winglets 3,900 nm.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:14 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 16):
I believe FI squeezes more seats in their 752's than UA.

Nope. According to seat guru both airlines have about 182 seats on their 757's. 180 is pretty standard capacity for a 757. The pitch is 32-33", which again is pretty standard. It's more pitch then United has in their B757's or B777's (31").

Their business model is not to fit as many people on the plane as possible.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:48 pm

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 17):

Nope. According to seat guru both airlines have about 182 seats on their 757's. 180 is pretty standard capacity for a 757.

I just looked. According to seatguru UA has 14 fewer seats: 169 vs. 183. That's not an insignificant amount when you're operating at the very limit of the airplane's capability.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:39 pm

Interestingly the B757 seems to small for FI on certain days / routes.

In S14 the airline is increasing capacity from 13x/week to 15x/week on KEF-AMS-KEF with a double B757 flight on Saturday & Sunday, departures are only 10 min. apart:

- dep. KEF 07:40 - arr. AMS 12:40 FI 502 Non-Stop B757 Daily
- dep. KEF 07:50 - arr. AMS 12:50 FI 506 Non-Stop B757 Sat & Sun
- dep. KEF 16:30 - arr. AMS 21:30 FI 504 Non-Stop B757 Daily ex.Sat

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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:54 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 19):
In S14 the airline is increasing capacity from 13x/week to 15x/week on KEF-AMS-KEF with a double B757 flight on Saturday & Sunday, departures are only 10 min. apart:

- dep. KEF 07:40 - arr. AMS 12:40 FI 502 Non-Stop B757 Daily
- dep. KEF 07:50 - arr. AMS 12:50 FI 506 Non-Stop B757 Sat & Sun
- dep. KEF 16:30 - arr. AMS 21:30 FI 504 Non-Stop B757 Daily ex.Sat

They do this to Paris, New York,Boston, Copenhagen, London (Heathrow and Gatwick) and perhaps some more places. They could most certainly fill larger aircraft if they wanted to.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:05 pm

FI stated in an interview in Edmonton, that they won't be surprised to see the route go to daily if the numbers continue. No surprise.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:33 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 19):
Interestingly the B757 seems to small for FI on certain days / routes.

There's also quite a lot of movement at Keflavik between 3 and 4 in the afternoon on its summer schedule. Where the heck do all the planes park when they come in at once?
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:21 pm

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 20):
They do this to Paris, New York,Boston, Copenhagen, London (Heathrow and Gatwick)

I checked and do not entirely agree with you.

Yes, FI operates KEF-LHR and KEF-LGW in the same time frame and KEF-EWR and KEF-JFK are also simultaneous, but these routes serve separate airports and somewhat overlapping markets.

The double B757s do occur, however on two KEF-CPH flights but 45 mins apart, while two KEF-BOS flights are just 25 mins. apart. And you are right on Saturday's the two FI flights KEF-CDG are just 5 mins. apart.

So we may conclude that FI could to with a larger aircraft on:

- KEF-CPH daily
- KEF-BOS daily
- KEF-AMS 2x/week
- KEF-CDG 1x/week
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:32 pm

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 20):
They do this to Paris, New York,Boston, Copenhagen, London (Heathrow and Gatwick) and perhaps some more places. They could most certainly fill larger aircraft if they wanted to.

They do this on certain days part of the year. They also add a second flight when the first flight get filled up well in advance, they combine the two flights when there are too few bookings.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:05 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 22):
Quoting factsonly (Reply 19):
Interestingly the B757 seems to small for FI on certain days / routes.

There's also quite a lot of movement at Keflavik between 3 and 4 in the afternoon on its summer schedule. Where the heck do all the planes park when they come in at once?

What's the maximum number of flights at KEF simultaneously? The Google Maps photo of KEF shows 14 parking positions adjacent to the terminal.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:12 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 25):
There's also quite a lot of movement at Keflavik between 3 and 4 in the afternoon on its summer schedule. Where the heck do all the planes park when they come in at once?

What's the maximum number of flights at KEF simultaneously? The Google Maps photo of KEF shows 14 parking positions adjacent to the terminal.

14 is correct 11 at jetbridges + 3 with stairs only, no remote stands.

The next step will be gates + busses for 6 remote stands and 3 jetbridges for the stands with stairs only. I assume that expansion to be ready for the summer of 2015.

Passengers were 2,751,743, in 2013, an 12,7% increase on 2012. That is expected to increase by 18.5% in 2014.

General Aviation use the old terminal building on the east side of the Terminal.

Further planing includes a north west to south east runway, third direction and a second north south runway, currently the runway most used



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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:00 pm

Icelandair uses one wave with additional flights to Europe through the winter and two waves with additional flights in the summer. The first wave, arrival from North America and departure to Europe in the early morning and arrival from Europe in the afternoon with departure to North America in the afternoon.
In summer you see the second wave with arrival from Europe in the later morning and again departure to NA and arrival from NA in the evening with departure to Europe.

One could perhaps call it rather two and four waves.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:24 am

Quoting factsonly (Reply 23):
The double B757s do occur, however on two KEF-CPH flights but 45 mins apart, while two KEF-BOS flights are just 25 mins. apart. And you are right on Saturday's the two FI flights KEF-CDG are just 5 mins. apart.

Same with OSL as well which has two flights 15 minutes appart up to three days a week in the high season during the summer
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:29 am

Service to Edmonton starts tomorrow (March 4). Looking forward to seeing some pictures/water salute.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:00 am

Quoting flyb (Reply 29):
Service to Edmonton starts tomorrow (March 4). Looking forward to seeing some pictures/water salute.

Not sure whether a water cannon salute is advisable when the temperature is well below freezing. Forecast high temperature at YEG on Tuesday is -13C with a 60% chance of light snow. (Yesterday, low -30C, high -20C.)
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:54 am

Very true, didn't realize the temperture.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:18 am

Use deicing fluid instead of water in the canon salute.

Above and below wing is being handled by Executive Flight Centre and check in desk is where First Air used to be. First Air is being relocated to the old side where Air Transat and Sunwing check-in. Interesting moves...
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:08 am

Quoting yeginleduc (Reply 32):
Use deicing fluid instead of water in the canon salute.

Who would pay for the deicing fluid? It's not cheap.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:16 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 12):
but as AS code shares via SEA, I am guessing no.

Not anymore. Their code share/FF agreement ended last year. They interline, but no longer code-share.
 
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RE: Icelandair Increases Zurich And Edmonton

Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:13 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 7):
Seems like Icelandair are doing pretty good with their strategy of linking both large and smaller cities on both sides of the Atlantic through Reykjavik.

I wonder if FI will ever consider serving YQB. I'm sure there is a healthy demand to Europe during the summer months.

Maybe a 3 weekly seasonal flight.

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