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Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:10 am

Person is custody at this time seems to be the pilot. Taken into custody for questioning...
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:23 am

GVA JUST REOPEN! All pax seems to be ok. Apparently the hijacking was comited by the pilot him self who his seeking political asylum in Switzerland.

 
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http://img.rt.com/files/news/22/81/90/00/10.si.jpg
Note that the cockpit window is open.
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:00 am

[quote=SR380,reply=152]
GVA JUST REOPEN! All pax seems to be ok. Apparently the hijacking was comited by the pilot him self who his seeking political asylum in Switzerland.

[quote]

This may explain why they had so much fuel onboard IMHO...
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:03 am

For those who were not listening to live ATC, here is the communication between the pilot and the ATC for the Asylum request:

https://soundcloud.com/producermatthew/ethiopian-airlines-flight
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:06 am

People on this forum and in the media keep saying "The Pilot". There would be at least two in the cockpit. As with the FedEx hijacking years ago, you don't know whether a "pilot" was the Capt or f/o of that flight, a jumpseater, or something else.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:30 am

Quoting AF185 (Reply 155):

Thanks for that! We europeans were sleeping  
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:32 am

Apparently it was the FO who took over the a/c when the Captain went to the toilet
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:47 am

Good that it has turned out well and without bloodshed!

But what would be the procedures in such a case? If the Captain wants to fly to "asylum" somewhere, what is the F/O to do? And what is the case if the F/O wants to seek "asylum" by diverting the aircraft?

I can't think of any way the pilot would be granted asylum here. He would need to prove persecution or a humanitarian crisis in order to get asylum. And yes, we don't grant asylums that easily since some ten years.


Quoting MayaviaERJ190 (Reply 9):
Could it be Olympics-related? Geneva is HQ to the IOC. Praying for them. They seem to be holding descent at 25k ft.

The IOC headquarters are at Lausanne.

Would be interesting to watch the plane land on its 2542 ft airstrip.  


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Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:00 am

Shocking.

I wonder how Ethiopian will deal with this issue publicly. I assume a lot of Westerns don't think anything "Ethiopian" as very trustable... but being kidnapped by your own pilot seems quite unheard of.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:24 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 158):
Apparently it was the FO who took over the a/c when the Captain went to the toilet

And locked the door.

Would explain why he left the A/C by the window.


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Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:26 am

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 103):
Can someone translate? I don't speak what sounds like French. Thanks

I thought that English was the language of aviation?

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 119):
No major news outlet in US has picked this up yet

It didn't hit the air for the 11 PM news (probably in any time zone), but it has been picked up on all the US media websites which means that it will probably make the morning newscasts - which start for me in about five minutes. I'd be surprised if there's any mention of it in any newspapers except possibly on the West Coast today, although given the time difference I could be wrong. Obviously, had there been victims God forbid, every newspaper would have had a "stop the presses" moment, the likes of which we probably haven't seen since 9/11.

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Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:26 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 160):
but being kidnapped by your own pilot seems quite unheard of.

Not even sure this kidnapping is a first, but sadly there have been several occasions where one crew member has decided he's had enough. Egyptair over the Atlantic, Silkair flight 185, FedEx almost lost a DC-10 when a jumpseating crew member went berserk, and I also recall a disenfranchised pilot stealing an ATR and flying it into a terminal building, somewhere in Africa if memory serves me right.

Which means that the saddest bit about all this, now that the crew and passengers are safe, is the fact we've now got another case of a crew member commandeering an aircraft for his own purposes.
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:28 am

Quite an incredible story.

Now, what would make a pilot seek asylum? You would think that being a pilot in Ethiopia flying wide-bodies for a large airline would be better off than an Ethiopian with asylum status anywhere in Europe.

Perhaps he has committed a crime that he fears being arrested for when he returns, but as long as they do not give him a death penalty, I would expect Switzerland to extradite him back to Ethiopia. One would think he would have been better off disappearing in Rome than hijacking an aircraft, if the above is true.

I'm just thinking aloud here, way to early to make any real assumptions.

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Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:29 am

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 162):
I thought that English was the language of aviation?

Non, mon ami:

Reply 2 here:

Control Tower/Air Traffic Control - Language (by Vietsky Mar 6 2009 in Tech Ops)


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Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:31 am

Has the plane been escorted by military jets? It seems only over Swiss Airspace, but Italian main newspaper say have been intercepted by AMI jets over Sicily and taken over by the Frenchs later on.

[Edited 2014-02-17 01:33:06]
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:51 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 164):
One would think he would have been better off disappearing in Rome than hijacking an aircraft, if the above is true.

I was thinking the same. Why not just board an aircraft from Rome to Switzerland and then request asylum after landing?
 
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Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 165):
Non, mon ami:

Reply 2 here:

I mean I could understand speaking the local language at a small, GA airport, but lets say a controller at Geneva is handling a bunch of Swiss flights at once, and then a Spanish/Italian/English speaking flight comes in. The controller absentmindedly keeps speaking French. I don't know how Eurocontrol works, but disaster could happen.

I have a friend who works for LY at TLV, and LY requires that all communication be done in English.

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Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:53 am

Here is the AP's story via Yahoo news. It does say the co-pilot wanted asylum.

http://news.yahoo.com/ethiopian-plan...eneva-co-pilot-083155442.html?vp=1
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Two IAF Eurofighter from 36° Stormo (Gioia del Colle, near Bari) were scrambled to identify and escort the 767 until the French borders, were the aircraft has been taken into custody by the French AF fighters.

Here below the link to the news (in Italian).

http://www.ilmondo.it/esteri/2014-02...one-militare-italiana_411116.shtml

Here below, the official statement on the Italian Air Force website

http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/New...acciadell'AeronauticaMilitare.aspx

[Edited 2014-02-17 02:11:12]
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:41 am

Quoting 777 (Reply 170):

With all the military bases in Italy, I wonder why the Italians handed over that plane to the French...
Thank Goodness, this flight did not end up à la Air Botswana!
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:46 am

Quoting okapi (Reply 171):
With all the military bases in Italy, I wonder why the Italians handed over that plane to the French...
Thank Goodness, this flight did not end up à la Air Botswana!

Not sure I fully understand your comment.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:48 am

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 168):
I mean I could understand speaking the local language at a small, GA airport, but lets say a controller at Geneva is handling a bunch of Swiss flights at once, and then a Spanish/Italian/English speaking flight comes in. The controller absentmindedly keeps speaking French. I don't know how Eurocontrol works, but disaster could happen.

Welcome to the big wide world of international aviation!

The United Nations has six official languages: Arabic, Chinese, Russian, French, Spanish and...English.

The language proficiency requirements apply to any language used for radiotelephony communications in international operations. Therefore, pilots on international flights shall demonstrate language proficiency in either English or the language used by the station on the ground. Controllers working on stations serving designated airports and routes used by international air services shall demonstrate language proficiency in English as well as in any other language(s) used by the station on the ground.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:50 am

This is from the BBC;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26222674

Not a situation that recall happening since the Cold War.
 
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How short is our collective memory:

Mozambique Passenger Plane (LAM) Carrying 33 Down (by flyingbird Nov 29 2013 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5933669&searchid=5953870&s=mozambique#ID5953870

Almost a carboncopy scenario only 2 months ago, ending in tragedy. This one could have ended up the same.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:13 am

The BBC quoted a Swiss official as saying:

"The only possible offence the co-pilot could be charged with is that of hostage-taking, for which he could face up to 20 years of imprisonment, a Geneva prosecutor said at the news conference."

Surely there's other offences like endangering an aircraft (low fuel situation) and disobeying a lawful command from the captain - by my interpretation, although the co-pilot was PIC at the time, the Captain was still the aircraft commander?
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:24 am

Ok thats it for Ethiopian for me. Just too many 'events' of various sorts in the last few decades. Need I list them all?
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:31 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 164):
Quite an incredible story.

Now, what would make a pilot seek asylum?

Maybe he was afraid to get a conversion to the B787s?   
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Quoting Bthebest (Reply 176):
Surely there's other offences like endangering an aircraft (low fuel situation) and disobeying a lawful command from the captain - by my interpretation, although the co-pilot was PIC at the time, the Captain was still the aircraft commander?

If the co-pilot is acting PIC, he cannot just refuse to relinquish control to the captain just because he is in 'command', so he will be seen as disobeying a lawful command. However, I believe those two offences you listed come under the hijacking offence (any hijacking inherently endanger an aircraft and leads to disobeying of the captain), so charging him for those would be a double whammy for the same crime.

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Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:01 pm

Would it have been so hard for that pilot to make it to Switzerland or any other European nation on his own?

Surely, an employee of an established African airline could manage to get a tourist visa and use his travel privileges to make it there.

Not to be knee-jerkingly harsh, but I hope he ends up in jail or back to the hellhole he came from.
He endangered the lives of qround 200 people for his own personal 'quest'.
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:07 pm

Jeeeeeesus thank god it all ended well.

When I saw ET 767 hijacked....I couldn't believe it...not again!!

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 163):
Which means that the saddest bit about all this, now that the crew and passengers are safe, is the fact we've now got another case of a crew member commandeering an aircraft for his own purposes.

Yeah. Scares me.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 164):
Now, what would make a pilot seek asylum? You would think that being a pilot in Ethiopia flying wide-bodies for a large airline would be better off than an Ethiopian with asylum status anywhere in Europe.

That's what I'm wondering too...is there any current religious/racial tensions there?
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:21 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 168):
lets say a controller at Geneva is handling a bunch of Swiss flights at once, and then a Spanish/Italian/English speaking flight comes in. The controller absentmindedly keeps speaking French

He/she won't. They will be perfectly able to communicate in English. Kind of goes without saying.  
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:27 pm

Quoting okapi (Reply 171):
Thank Goodness, this flight did not end up à la Air Botswana!
Quoting 76er (Reply 175):

How short is our collective memory:

I assume 76er is referring to okapi...? The flight was a LAM flight that crashed in Namibia. I did fly over Botswana and was believed to have crashed there for a while, but it has nothing to do with Air Botswana.

Or is okapi referring to the Air Botswana incident of October 1999 where an Air Botswana pilot commited suicide, like the LAM flight.

Personally I don't think the pilot in the ET case would really have gone through with suicide. That doesn't excuse his actions though. On the other hand, had he flown to Switzerland and asked for asylum, he most probably would have been denied right there and then. He did grab the world's attention now and whatever circumstances prompted his behaviour, we will soon know all about it. Which is probably what he wanted too.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:37 pm

Crazy, I wonder what made the first officer desperate enough to do this, after all someone who works as a pilot should be far better off than most Ethiopians.
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:50 pm

The guy definately picked the wrong time to apply for asylum in Switzerland. He should have done that any day before the Referendum.
 

BTW, can a 763 land in Lampedusa?

Seriously, a Pilot in that Country is by far better off than the average public, he ruined his life for good, even if he gets asylum in Switzerland, which is likely, he will not get a Job as a bus Driver.
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:59 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 179):
However, I believe those two offences you listed come under the hijacking offence (any hijacking inherently endanger an aircraft and leads to disobeying of the captain), so charging him for those would be a double whammy for the same crime.

So that's still hijacking in addition to hostage-taking. The way the quote was phrased sounded like the official was trying to say there was no aviation-specific crime.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:18 pm

Quoting ojas (Reply 178):
Maybe he was afraid to get a conversion to the B787s?

Why do you think that, was he trying to transfer to AI?  
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:20 pm

Thankfully this ended with no one dead but it is very disturbing how this occurred.

A news report on this event in the USA notes that in Ethiopia there has been a growing repression of dissent and of objectors to the ruling government. That may be a factor for this FO to take this extreme action but the problem is that since he can face significant penalties if convicted in Switzerland (up to 20 years in jail), his idea of asylum is not going to come true. It is also likely that upon conclusion of his jail sentence, or quickly be sent back to Ethiopia, he would likely face far harsher imprisonment or worse there.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:40 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 180):
or back to the hellhole he came from.
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 185):
Seriously, a Pilot in that Country is by far better off than the average public, he ruined his life for good, even if he gets asylum in Switzerland, which is likely, he will not get a Job as a bus Driver.

Ethiopia is, for African standards, a quite well developed country. A co-worker of mine spends about a quarter of the year there, and has no qualms about going there. I haven't heard about recent political unrest there, and also the religious mix (Christian, Jewish and Muslim) works there.

(And about the referendum: The recent one was about worker contingents, not asylum seekers. But asylum laws have been toughened in the last years, though, for example you cannot apply for asylum at any Swiss embassy anymore - so you need to get a visum to Switzerland, and apply here. Don't ask me how this works out for truly persecuted people.)


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Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:44 pm

Quoting 777 (Reply 172):

I did not mean to create a useless debate. I just read the official press release from the Aeronautica available at the above-mentionned website. I quote: "fino al passaggio di consegna con la Difesa Aerea francese". Until it was handed over to the French Air Force. I just wondered why the Italians did not deal with it differently. Was it too risky? Are there any specific rules European Air Forces must respect in such cases?

The second part of my post was referred to the Air Botswana pilot that crashed a stolen ATR42 into other ATRs parked at Gaborone (?) Airport. Another case with an Egyptair Boeing 767 comes to my mind. I should look for links.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:49 pm

What is somewhat disturbing is that it is still unknown what the fighter jets (Italian, French, Swiss) did exactly.

In some other countries (eg. USA), this could have finished very badly with the plane being shot down.

I also fail to understand why the copilot squaked 7500 and made everyone think it was a hijacking. Surely he could have pretended this was a Northwest (ie. we fell asleep in the cockpit), landed the plane in Geneva and claimed asylum from there on. At least that wouldn't look as bad as it looks now.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:50 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 159):
The IOC headquarters are at Lausanne.

You're absolutely right. I was listening, watching, reporting and blogging at the same time for going into detail. Lausanne is so close to Geneva (on the airways) that I was very preoccupied about a terrorist attack on the IOC.

Would be interesting to watch the plane land on its 2542 ft airstrip.  
Hahaha. It was the IOC HQ that worried me, not the feat of landing at Lausanne. But, anyway, any of both tragedies didn't happen, thank God.  
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 162):
I thought that English was the language of aviation?

Speakers of the local language mostly keep it in the local language. If they speak different languages, then it is English, even though I have heard an Iberia crew use English in Mexico. Some times English is preferred in order to override possible technical translation confusion, even if it is just a matter of different accents in the same language.

Quoting 777 (Reply 170):
custody by the French AF fighters.

AF? Air France? Well, that IS a very well 'armed' airline!!! Just kidding. Those NATO air forces must be very well coordinated as ET 702 was changing air space between Italy, Switzerland and France in matters of minutes while holding over GVA.

Quoting 76er (Reply 175):
Almost a carboncopy scenario only 2 months ago, ending in tragedy.

That is one of many reasons I was so worried. Air crews screening of all kinds should be improved in many places. It is scary that there have been some suicidal, hijacking and drug-trafficking, among others, crews lately

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 176):
the Captain was still the aircraft commander?

A Captain is ALWAYS in command. That's why I say crew screening has to be improved.

By the way, it was almost impossible that Swiss ATC couldn't contact authorities. I think it was very well played by them to tell the hijacking PIC that there was going to be a response only until final approach. They announced there "will be" a negociatior available "on ground" while the plane was on final between FL 40 and FL 20. Very scary fuel minimums and lots of risks taken, but well played, anyway. Thank God everything came out for the least worse.

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Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:56 pm

Flightradar24 reports that the transponder's hijack code was used since the plane was overflying Khartoum, Sudan.
Now why would the co-pilot use the hijack code if he was the one "hijacking" it?
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:24 pm

Quoting okapi (Reply 190):
I did not mean to create a useless debate. I just read the official press release from the Aeronautica available at the above-mentionned website. I quote: "fino al passaggio di consegna con la Difesa Aerea francese". Until it was handed over to the French Air Force. I just wondered why the Italians did not deal with it differently. Was it too risky? Are there any specific rules European Air Forces must respect in such cases?

We don't know the procedure the various European AFs will adopt in these cases and we don’t know what happened this morning.

Maybe in the next days more info will appear on the press.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:28 pm

Quoting danvs (Reply 193):

Flightradar24 reports that the transponder's hijack code was used since the plane was overflying Khartoum, Sudan.
Now why would the co-pilot use the hijack code if he was the one "hijacking" it?

That's the funny part of the story, IMHO.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:28 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 191):
In some other countries (eg. USA), this could have finished very badly with the plane being shot down.

Ohhhh yes. With a hijacked plane circling around Geneva, the seat of the WHO, the UN and lots of other international organizations...


I still haven't found any press communiqué by the Swiss Air Force. Maybe the affair was entirely handled by the Italian and French air forces, with the help of Swiss ATC.

David
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RE: ET702 ADD-FCO ET-AMF Squawking 7500 (Confirmed Hijack)

Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:41 pm

That was my thought as well. Why was the copilot using 7500? My other thought was WHY did he hijack the aircraft when he was already entering the EU via Rome and possibly Milan? It wasn't exactly like he wasn't going to overnight there or spend a few days before he had to head back to Ethiopia. As an international pilot, he should know that he would face serious charges for doing what he did, regardless of asylum. Something doesn't add up.
 
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RE: ET702 ADD-FCO ET-AMF Squawking 7500 (Confirmed Hijack)

Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:08 pm

Do Pilots need Chengen Visa to visit EU countries? This guy Ethopian national? if he has to go out of Italy to reach Swiss does he need Visa (Chengen) or any other document? if that's the case then he obviously he would have found it difficult to go to Geneva from Rome without Visa or necessary traveling doc?

Something is not correct, I am having difficulty to understand how this guy thought he could have got away with this stuff ! mind boggling.
 
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RE: ET702 ADD-FCO ET-AMF Squawking 7500 (Confirmed Hijack)

Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:16 pm

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 198):

A visum for Italy is also valid for all Schengen countries, including Switzerland. But Switzerland does not have a customs treaty with the EU, so you can enter Switzerland from Italy without problems, but your luggage may be checked for goods.


David

[Edited 2014-02-17 07:21:08]
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