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Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:24 am

Bookable on www.delta.com. 7 weekly flights (DL039/040) starting October 26. Maybe a substitition to the Virgin' service ?
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:28 am

Very surprising given the strength of UA and BA/AA on this route
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:40 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 1):
Very surprising given the strength of UA and BA/AA on this route

The Virgin's ORD operation is currently seasonnal. Delta's 76W could be the right-sized machine to provide a year-round service and keep some business contracts. With SEA recently announced, ORD to be operated also during winter and some rumors about PHL, IAH and DFW are the two main remaining lacks in the VS/DL operation from LHR.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:50 am

While the DL expansion over the last year really has not surprised me, trying this route against UA and AA/BA really is shocking.

Quoting Alsatian (Thread starter):
Maybe a substitition to the Virgin' service ?

It could be, but with VS "right sizing" it's fleet I was expecting ORD to go year round with a 333.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:00 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 3):
While the DL expansion over the last year really has not surprised me, trying this route against UA and AA/BA really is shocking.

It is similar to the LGA - ORD launch about 4 years ago, nobody really saw that coming.

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 3):
I was expecting ORD to go year round with a 333.

Delta will perhaps operate the route during winter only while Virgin keeps its seasonnal A333 operation.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:19 am

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 3):
but with VS "right sizing" it's fleet I was expecting ORD to go year round with a 333

I was thinking the same, or possibly with a 789 once there was enough in the fleet after the initial 340 retirements.

Does anyone have an idea on where the LHR slot came from?
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:34 am

This add must be viewed in the context of the DL/VS JV, and is likely more for the LHR/UK point-of-sale / UK corporate business. VS can't realistically retain that business if they only operate to ORD seasonally.

This could be similar to what DL-AF do in the ORD market (AF operates ORD-CDG during the summer with the A343 while DL steps in for the winter with the 763 in order to maintain year-round service).
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:46 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 6):
This could be similar to what DL-AF do in the ORD market (AF operates ORD-CDG during the summer with the A343 while DL steps in for the winter with the 763 in order to maintain year-round service).

This is exactly what is planned.

[Edited 2014-02-17 02:49:04]

Like the DL/AF summer - winter operations, Gate space at T2 is tight and hence both use T5. I can imagine with the 1245-1830 timings on this flight, DL would be hard pressed to split CDG and LHR between two terminals.

I'd say look for this one to use T5 as well for both the arrival and departure. Now there was talk of DL trying to get E8 from the city. This would create gating for a widebody but but with both flights overlapping this wouldn't make sense.


[Edited 2014-02-17 02:58:10]

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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:50 am

Didn't see this coming. I assume it will be the same set-up as DL's current CDG-ORD service operating entirely from Terminal 5 at O'Hare. Would be great if Terminal 2 had a few more widebody gates for this.

Note the flight numbers (DL39/DL40) match VS's on this route (VS39/VS40).

[Edited 2014-02-17 02:52:16]
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:35 am

Any chance DL would get E7 back from USAirways? Also, NW used E15 for its 747 to NRT. I would think DL could park at least one widebody on E for this. Perhaps with some manuvering on the high E gates, they could do two. The problem would be the time the aircraft would have to sit on the gates and its effect on the rest of the DL operation.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:46 am

Another sign of the Deltarization of VS.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:55 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 10):

So long as VS' service doesn't go down the cr*pper, I think the partnership with DL will only see them getting stronger.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:12 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 10):
Another sign of the Deltarization of VS.

Really? I think this is a good move.

VS have operated LHR-ORD quite successfully as a seasonal service for the past few years. By DL continuing to offer this service on a smaller aircraft for the winter period it allows them to attract more business traffic.

Presumably the service will revert to larger VS aircraft again for the summer season.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:12 pm

Sadly Virgin couldn't make a year around flight viable, this neatly solves the problem. DL should lease a few 767 to Virgin and VA should put Upper Class and Y+ into them, that would be better then a DL 767 on the route.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:18 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
Sadly Virgin couldn't make a year around flight viable

I believe it was about 10 years ago when they last tried it during winter. Hopefully with a smaller aircraft and DL as their partner it will work this time around.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:26 pm

Quoting anstar (Reply 12):
VS have operated LHR-ORD quite successfully as a seasonal service for the past few years.

That's a bit of spin if we're being honest, they failed to make much impact on the market, gave up, came back and still couldn't run it your round on one of the bigger US cities out of London. Not sure Delta will add anything to the party here, United and American are both strong and BA are well connected with the JV. It feels like another LHR-MIA.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:32 pm

Quoting timboflier215 (Reply 11):
So long as VS' service doesn't go down the cr*pper, I think the partnership with DL will only see them getting stronger.

Agree - never said VS wouldn't be stronger, just hope the brand and image survives. Personally I think DL should hand the LHR - SEA service over to VS as the longer route would be better suited to the better VS product. Perhaps a good outlet for the freed-up SYD A346's.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:32 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
DL should lease a few 767 to Virgin and VA should put Upper Class and Y+ into them, that would be better then a DL 767 on the route.

VS' financials wouldn't be helped by another microfleet. DL has the economies of scale in 767s and the updated 767 (aisle access lie-flats, new bins, AVOD+USB power throughout) is a competitive config.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:33 pm

Despite the strong competition on the route, Delta will get the earlier departure from London :

DL 39 LHR 0930 - 1235 ORD 76W D
UA929 LHR 1005 - 1315 ORD 763 D
AA 87 LHR 1015 - 1310 ORD 777 D
BA295 LHR 1205 - 1440 ORD EQV D
UA949 LHR 1205 - 1515 ORD 763 D
AA 47 LHR 1315 - 1615 ORD 763 D
UA959 LHR 1525 - 1835 ORD 763 D
BA297 LHR 1605 - 1830 ORD EQV D
AA 91 LHR 1715 - 2015 ORD 763 D
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:11 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 15):

That's a bit of spin if we're being honest, they failed to make much impact on the market, gave up, came back and still couldn't run it your round on one of the bigger US cities out of London.

How is it spin? VS have been operating Chicago in the summer only for a number of years successfully - which is what I I said... (ie it works seasonally for them) and that is not spin. Just as they operate Cape Town in the winter successfully.

By DL operating a smaller aircraft in winter it gives them at least some hope of making it a year round success.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:31 pm

Great Move.

DL/AF already own the CDG routes from the USA.

Now they are positioning themselves as a strong #2 on US-LHR routes.

Good for them
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:35 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 18):
Despite the strong competition on the route, Delta will get the earlier departure from London :

DL 39 LHR 0930 - 1235 ORD 76W D
UA929 LHR 1005 - 1315 ORD 763 D
AA 87 LHR 1015 - 1310 ORD 777 D
BA295 LHR 1205 - 1440 ORD EQV D
UA949 LHR 1205 - 1515 ORD 763 D
AA 47 LHR 1315 - 1615 ORD 763 D
UA959 LHR 1525 - 1835 ORD 763 D
BA297 LHR 1605 - 1830 ORD EQV D
AA 91 LHR 1715 - 2015 ORD 763 D

What dates did you use?

AA 87 departs at 0915 until AA 99 is added and that departs LHR at 0745 and AA 87 moves to a 1015 departure.
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:56 pm

I did not see this coming and it is interesting that DL will make it daily unlike their winter ORD-CDG service. I think the flight will do great from OCT thru DEC but by the time we hit mid JAN thru most of FEB the loads to/from LHR really drop. Even AA/BA pulls one of their nonstop operating a total of 5 nonstop while at other times of the year AA/BA operates 6 non stops from ORD.

IMO I think for the first year DL will operate the winter flight daily but the following year it will go weekly like their ORD-CDG route and I wouldn't be surprised come next winter if AA/BA responded by keeping 6 daily non stops on this route and I think UA will probably stay where we are will 3 daily non stops although this FEB I think 1 day a week UA only operates 2 daily non stops because the loads especially in coach have been so light.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:59 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 21):
What dates did you use?

AA 87 departs at 0915 until AA 99 is added and that departs LHR at 0745 and AA 87 moves to a 1015 departure.

DL service starts next winter so I used a week in November, when AA 99 is not active according to GDS.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:12 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 2):
some rumors about PHL, IAH and DFW are the two main remaining lacks in the VS/DL operation from LHR.

How credible is this rumor? I could see PHD and DFW, especially with the sizeable FI base and presence they have in Dallas...but I can't see IAH-LHR working. Houston has zero exposure to the Virgin brand and I'm not sure if enough Skyteam presence to compete against X2 BA and 3rd UA.

[Edited 2014-02-17 08:15:02]
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:23 pm

If I were United, I would add ATL-LHR or NRT daily. ORD-LHR on DL, are they trying to start a war?
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:25 pm

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 25):
If I were United, I would add ATL-LHR or NRT daily. ORD-LHR on DL, are they trying to start a war?

I am still waiting for the Delta LAX-ORD flights.
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:27 pm

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 25):
If I were United, I would add ATL-LHR or NRT daily. ORD-LHR on DL, are they trying to start a war?

It looks like it. LOL!! I'll get the popcorn.
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:35 pm

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 25):
If I were United, I would add ATL-LHR or NRT daily. ORD-LHR on DL, are they trying to start a war?

I hope that's sarcasm! We only have one person on here allowed to makeup war stories!  
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:48 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
DL should lease a few 767 to Virgin and VA should put Upper Class and Y+ into them, that would be better then a DL 767 on the route.

Why would they do that, exactly?

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 17):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):DL should lease a few 767 to Virgin and VA should put Upper Class and Y+ into them, that would be better then a DL 767 on the route.
VS' financials wouldn't be helped by another microfleet. DL has the economies of scale in 767s and the updated 767 (aisle access lie-flats, new bins, AVOD+USB power throughout) is a competitive config.

That is exactly correct, MIFlyer12.

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 25):
If I were United, I would add ATL-LHR or NRT daily. ORD-LHR on DL, are they trying to start a war?

This is all about DL's desire to get serious about LHR service, and cannot credibly come as a shock to management at either UA or AA. If United thinks they can make more money flying international to ATL than they can flying other routes with the same equipment, they will do so.

This is a rational business decision from DL. UA and AA don't own ORD, nor does DL own ATL, and hopefully managements have lost enough money protecting "their" turf over the last few decades to grasp this fundamental lesson. DL has done this because VS hasn't been able to make it financially successful. Whether or not DL will be able to remains to be seen.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:01 pm

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 25):
If I were United, I would add ATL-LHR or NRT daily. ORD-LHR on DL, are they trying to start a war?

Wow. Just wow.

First off, this is a metal neutral joint venture. Chicago is a big business destination exit London, and is the third largest city in the United States. Virgin only flew summer-only to ORD, as their planes were too big to make it work in the lower demand period. Enter Delta, which has a ton of 767-300ERs which (a) have about 60 less seats than the smallest plane in the VS fleet and (b) actually have more J class seats (and of comparable product) than a VS A330-300. If Delta/Virgin want to be able to earn contracts on the North Atlantic exit-London, they need to fly year round service to the big business centers in the US. Chicago was a giant hole on that.

As for UA starting ATL-LHR or ATL-NRT, that is BEYOND asinine. Let's start with ATL-LHR. First off, you have Delta (with the largest hub in the world behind it, plus a stronger UK POS now with the VS JV) flying 3x/day. Then you have BA, which has a decent hub at LHR, flying a 777 a day into ATL. United, on the other hand, has no feed in ATL, and of their 30 or so flights a day there, all but one are on regional jets.

ATL-NRT is a little bit more of a stronger argument with the JV with NH beyond Tokyo, but still - you've got a Delta 747 going daily to Narita, Korean Air offers a lot of the same connectivity over ICN, you'd have to get the plane and crews to ATL (meaning a more expensive W type pattern). If P++ wanted ATL-NRT though, it'd be on NH metal given a lot of these.

At least with ORD-LHR, Delta (a) already has a large ORD operation (at about 55 flights/day, it's one of the largest non-hubs in the system), (b) already has a FA base in Chicago, which cuts down on crew staffing costs (meaning only the pilots will have to do the W type rotation) and (c) it's not hard to get the plane there given the amount of 767-300s that DL dumps into LHR now that they all have lieflats (BOS, ATL 2x, JFK, SEA and ORD now next winter).
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:03 pm

I wanna see them start IAH. You can get traffic from Aero Mexico and as well Delta flights coming into IAH.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:05 pm

Quoting anstar (Reply 14):
I believe it was about 10 years ago when they last tried it during winter.

Actually, it operated year-round until around 2009/2010 before it was scaled back to a seasonal service.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 22):

I did not see this coming and it is interesting that DL will make it daily unlike their winter ORD-CDG service.

Chicago - London is a much, much larger and higher-yielding premium market than Chicago - Paris, even during the slower winter months.

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 25):

If I were United, I would add ATL-LHR or NRT daily

That would be foolish for UA.

The addition of DL on ORD-LHR has very little to do with Delta sending a message to UA/Star nor AA/BA/IB and IAG/OneWorld. Rather, it's a COMBINED, integrated effort on behalf of their transatlantic JV with Virgin Atlantic. It's basically an indirect manner of Virgin Atlantic creating a year-round service at O'Hare instead of summer seasonal, except the winter period will see the service operated on Delta metal. It is going to be marketed as a Virgin Atlantic codeshare flight, and presumably, a large portion of the traffic will be from the UK point-of-sale.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:08 pm

So Virgin finally found a way to make ORD work year-round.   

I suspect this will work, owing to the very large local market - which is what this route seems to largely rely on. I do agree, however, that it may not be able to support a daily 763 in the dead of winter.

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 2):
and some rumors about PHL, IAH and DFW

I'm highly skeptical about the realistic viability of all of these markets. PHL is a large local market but I do question whether it could support a Delta 763, and I think IAH and DFW would be really, really pushing it given the economic, geographic and competitive realities of all those markets. The connectivity beyond LHR is just really not there all that much, and there's really nothing LHR offers for Delta that can't already be accomplished by CDG and/or AMS.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:14 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 24):
How credible is this rumor? I could see PHD and DFW, especially with the sizeable FI base and presence they have in Dallas...but I can't see IAH-LHR working. Houston has zero exposure to the Virgin brand and I'm not sure if enough Skyteam presence to compete against X2 BA and 3rd UA.

I was talking about rumours just about PHL as "US Airways Group and American Airlines have offered to give up a pair of landing and takeoff slots at London's Heathrow Airport to a competitor that would fly between Philadelphia and London". Then I stated that IAH and DFW are the two main US lacks in the DL/VS network from London.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:15 pm

Quoting Joeljack (Reply 25):
If I were United, I would add ATL-LHR or NRT daily. ORD-LHR on DL, are they trying to start a war?
Quoting commavia (Reply 33):

I'm highly skeptical about the realistic viability of all of these markets. PHL is a large local market but I do question whether it could support a Delta 763, and I think IAH and DFW would be really, really pushing it given the economic, geographic and competitive realities of all those markets. The connectivity beyond LHR is just really not there all that much, and there's really nothing LHR offers for Delta that can't already be accomplished by CDG and/or AMS.

I wish that they would just stop going to CDG and leave that up to AF to cover that off. I don't like that airport and if I do go to CDG there is usually someone on strike to screw things up.
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:22 pm

What other metal neutral route rationalizations might we see?

Will this also free up some aircraft in the fleet to open new routes? If so, which ones?

I wonder if Delta SkyClub "amenity test" and new international Y class service enhancements are meant to harmonize the overall experience across both airlines.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:24 pm

another brilliant move to position Delta as an excellent choice for London based corporations and travelers, I am still puzzled United didn't try to strike a deal with Virgin considering their history at LHR, they will have to rely more and more on just the US side for their flights, putting them at a severe disadvantage in the most important US-TA market
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:28 pm

For the LHR-ORD flight, where have Delta got the slots from to start this service from october 2014?
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:49 pm

I'd take a guess and say it's Virgin's same slot from the summer season service they operate.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:55 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 35):

No matter which airline you're on it's still the same airport. I don't see how putting Air france, eho had a similar experience at ORD to VS, would make any difference.

Quoting iah59 (Reply 31):

AeroMexico also flies multiple flights daily to JFK and have a daily flight to ATL, so I doubt Delta is going to start competing with UA into their fortress hub to catch redundant connections that can be (and are) easily handled elsewhere. Also, why would somebody fly from ATL or DTW to LHR through Houston when are there multiple daily nonstops?
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:58 pm

Will DL take over any other routes from VS? Anything down in Florida with the high density 767s? MCO/TPA or maybe start a FLL?
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:59 pm

All it is DL/VA right size aircraft for the right time it will go back to VA spring summer just like AF....Move along nothing to see here no wars starting.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:32 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 40):
Also, why would somebody fly from ATL or DTW to LHR through Houston when are there multiple daily nonstops?

Tons of people connect on UA to other destination across the globe through IAH. Even with KLM and Air France have customers continuing on wards through Delta and Aero Mexico at IAH.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:02 pm

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 30):
As for UA starting ATL-LHR or ATL-NRT, that is BEYOND asinine.

The more realistic scenario would be UA launching ATL-MUC as part of the JV with LH or taking over FRA-ATL during the slower season if it is determined that the route needs to be downgauged.

I don't see UA adopting that kind of strategy as there are more lucrative new markets to enter with its fleet from existing hubs.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:21 pm

Quoting codc10 (Reply 44):
The more realistic scenario would be UA launching ATL-MUC as part of the JV with LH or taking over FRA-ATL during the slower season if it is determined that the route needs to be downgauged.

Agreed, would make more sense having them launch a DTW/MSP/ATL-MUC or take over FRA-ATL/DTW; even there though I don't see them making such a move from an operational standpoint - be it more W-type rotations, having to now operate out of three concourses at ATL (T, D and then a lone flight at F), etc.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:00 pm

Quoting irishayes (Reply 32):
Actually, it operated year-round until around 2009/2010 before it was scaled back to a seasonal service.

Last operated winter 2008 I think?

Delta is kind of fond of the patented airliners.net magic dartboard of route planning when it comes to London. They've had more combos than most of the rest put together.

In recent years we've seen EDI-ATL, EDI-JFK, MAN-JFK, SNN-ATL, LGW-CVG, LGW-JFK, LGW-ATL and LHR-MIA all come and go.
In London they hey have a core around :
LHR-ATL/JFK/DTW/MSP/BOS/SEA as four hubs and two focus cities

The rest also concentrate on their strengths with
UNITED on LHR-EWR/IAH/IAD/ORD/LAX/SFO four hubs and two focus cities.
AMERICAN on LHR-ORD/JFK/DFW/MIA/LAX/RDU four hubs, one focus city and an underwritten point to point.
US AIRWAYS LHR-PHL/CLT both being hubs.

However exactly as MIA saw Delta as the spare wheel between BA and AA, ORD is likely to end up doing the same as that's a three way fight with UA/AA/BA.
 
Rdh3e
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:06 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 46):
UNITED on LHR-EWR/IAH/IAD/ORD/LAX/SFO four hubs and two focus cities.

That is 6 hubs...

Quoting codc10 (Reply 44):
The more realistic scenario would be UA launching ATL-MUC as part of the JV with LH or taking over FRA-ATL during the slower season if it is determined that the route needs to be downgauged.

UA is unlikely to do something like this because the A++ Star JV is based on Revenue, not based on total P/L like DL's JV. There was a bit about it during the last earnings call.
 
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:08 pm

Quoting iah59 (Reply 43):

That's because IAH is a UA hub.

As for the KLM to AM connx: Sure they offer these connections but how many people actually take them? How many people that are in ATL or DTW or any Delta hub are going to go that far out of their way to get to Europe? Not kany, if any. For instance, DTW-IAH-LHR involves a 2 hour flight in the wrong direction.
The views I express are my own and do not reflect the views and opinions of my company.
 
theginge
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RE: Delta Adds LHR - ORD Next Winter

Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:14 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 39):
I'd take a guess and say it's Virgin's same slot from the summer season service they operate.

May be but I imagine it is being used by a service now so must have to come from somewhere.

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