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EK USA Expansion Plans

Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:40 pm

BOS is about to start in the next few months and several cities have been mentioned as the next EK destinations. Does anyone know if / when others will start? Flying into ORD frequently, I've heard that this will happen in the fall of 2014 (but I've heard this before, just change the year - but given EY and now QR establishing themselves in the market, with some AA help) that ORD will happen this year. How about MIA, DTW, PHL, ATL?
 
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:05 pm

Quoting nomorerjs (Thread starter):
that ORD will happen this year. How about MIA, DTW, PHL, ATL?

I would also include EWR in your wish list. I think once EK serves those cities they wouldn't be any more feasible cities for service in the US.
 
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:09 am

ORD and MIA would be my guess for EK in Fall of 2014.

DTW, PHL, EWR not happening for another 2 years. And ATL I doubt it. DL already serves ATL-DXB
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:45 am

I'm not holding my breath for DXB-ORD this year. It's been stated that it isn't high up on their list. I'm thinking MIA, EWR, and maybe DTW.
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:32 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 3):
I'm thinking MIA

I think if not ORD, then MIA for sure this year.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 3):
EWR, and maybe DTW.

I really can't see EK going to EWR or DTW this year. Maybe in 2 years.
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:40 am

I visit DXB four or five times a year. I use to live in South Florida. I just don't see EK coming to MIA in the near future.

[Edited 2014-02-17 18:42:34]
 
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:47 am

How about DEN? They can set up a relationship like they have with AS with F9.
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:52 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 6):
How about DEN? They can set up a relationship like they have with AS with F9.

DEN popped into my head but how would the 777s due with the high altitude?
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:55 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 7):
DEN popped into my head but how would the 777s due with the high altitude?

A 77L shoudl't be too bad. Especially in the winter time. Although if they really want to fly to DEN and 2 engines won't cut it, I guess DEN will see their first A380 service!  JK of course  
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:59 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 7):

I would think the 345 is actually a better choice for that one, but then those may not be around long.

Short of that, there's always the 388.
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:01 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 7):
DEN popped into my head but how would the 777s due with the high altitude?

How about some fifth freedom flight, like DEN-CDG-DBX, where DEN can have a nonstop to CDG, where there's sufficient O&D, and then the convenience of a 1-stop into DBX? That would also handle the aircraft issues?

 
 
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:13 am

Quoting DXBDFWHGA (Reply 5):
I just don't see EK coming to MIA in the near future.

Why? What does one thing have to do with the other? Do you how many times EK said MIA is a possible destination? BOS, ORD, and MIA are the NEXT LIKELY destinations. 1 down, 2 to go.

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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:20 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 10):
How about some fifth freedom flight, like AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN-CDG-DBX, where AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN can have a nonstop to CDG, where there's sufficient O&D, and then the convenience of a 1-stop into DBX? That would also handle the aircraft issues?

That might actually not be a bad idea. AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN would kill two birds with one stone by increasing Europe service AND getting a Gulf carrier!  
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:26 am

Given the massive sub-continental population in New Jersey area I'm surprised that Newark hasn't made the list thus far.

And re: Denver, the A340-500s would perhaps be more suited, but they are currently being used only for shorter haul flights.
 
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:34 am

Quoting AT (Reply 13):
And re: Denver, the A340-500s would perhaps be more suited, but they are currently being used only for shorter haul flights

They will be out of the fleet very soon.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 6):
How about DEN?

Can anyone highlight how big is the sub-continent origin population in and around DEN?
 
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:45 am

A lot of people have been saying; QR made EK not start MIA. or We won't see EK at MIA because of QR

U.A.E and Qatar are 2 different markets. If it was EY that started MIA instead of QR then it would be a whole new story. Which would make sense for EK not to start MIA.

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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:09 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 15):
U.A.E and Qatar are 2 different markets. If it was EY that started MIA instead of QR then it would be a whole new story. Which would make sense for EK not to start MIA.

But QR and EK compete for very similar connection traffic.
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:27 am

Quoting AT (Reply 13):
Given the massive sub-continental population in New Jersey area I'm surprised that Newark hasn't made the list thus far.

Given how split the NYC market is, the lack of EWR will be corrected in the EK route network. I understand opening IAD and BOS first, but EWR seems logical.

Quoting AT (Reply 13):
And re: Denver, the A340-500s would perhaps be more suited, but they are currently being used only for shorter haul flights.

I do not see enough profit at DEN as of yet. It would be cheaper to fly passengers to SFO or JFK and transfer them onward.

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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:34 am

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 14):
Can anyone highlight how big is the sub-continent origin population in and around DEN?

DEN-DXB is about 10 PDEW. Ranks up there with SEA's 13 PDEW and DFW's 8 PDEW.

DEN connects at DXB that would apply would be about 75 PDEW.

 
 
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:41 am

Quoting nomorerjs (Thread starter):
How about MIA, DTW, PHL, ATL?

I think we will see frequency and upgauging before we see too many airports added other than maybe 1-2 of the follwing: ORD, MIA, EWR

Quoting point2point (Reply 18):
SEA's 13 PDEW

Supposedly SEA has a decent cargo load due in no small amount to EK loading aircraft spares. I believe that route often has a 77L on it.

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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:36 am

So what am I missing that would make DEN such a stretch range wise? Delta launches a 777-200LR 7333nm from JNB to ATL into the prevailing headwinds aloft. JNB is 120 feet higher than DEN, and JNB-ATL is 580nm further than DEN-DXB. There will likely be weight hits, but the flight is feasible.

On the DXB side, there is a lot more feed than just Dubai itself and the Indian Subcontinent. There is also the rest of the Middle East and also Eastern and Southern Africa. Denver has a large Ethiopian and Eritrean population. On the DEN side (if a code share in DEN could be established) there is the whole of the southwest USA, including ABQ, PHX, TUS, and many other places, few of which would be better connected through other cities than DEN.

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Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:50 am

Quoting Beechtobus (Reply 20):
On the DEN side (if a code share in DEN could be established) there is the whole of the southwest USA, including ABQ, PHX, TUS, and many other places, few of which would be better connected through other cities than DEN.

Let's remember that Denver and Colorado in themselves are large tourist draws to begin with...... and I watched on TV the other day a show that referred to Denver as

"The Marijuana Capital of the World"

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Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:54 am

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19):
Supposedly SEA has a decent cargo load due in no small amount to EK loading aircraft spares. I believe that route often has a 77L on it.

I saw Seattle switch from the 777LR to the 773ER and figured that Boston might see the same migration in a year or two. But now I realize that Boston doesn't have the freight that Seattle does. Still, it will be interesting to see how Boston evolves. God knows that Emirates has a battlefield of widebody aircraft to throw at all their routes.

One thought is that they stick with the 777LR in Boston until the A350s are ready.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:09 pm

Long term - I wouldn't count out LAS and MCO.

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 22):
But now I realize that Boston doesn't have the freight that Seattle does.

Do we have numbers on that? It does make sense due to geography (proximity to Asia and Alaska) but not population wise.
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:11 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 22):
I saw Seattle switch from the 777LR to the 773ER and figured that Boston might see the same migration in a year or two. But now I realize that Boston doesn't have the freight that Seattle does. Still, it will be interesting to see how Boston evolves. God knows that Emirates has a battlefield of widebody aircraft to throw at all their routes.

One thought is that they stick with the 777LR in Boston until the A350s are ready.

Not the modus operandi of UAE - Its certain they will deploy the 77W to Boston at the earliest opportunity.

As for QTR and UAE its correct they do serve differing markets.
For one thing UAE continue to offer First and a significant Premium across their network, however QTR has rather limited premium offerings it might surprise some to know.

The current Doha facilities aren't that good either if you are in transit to anywhere else !
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:07 pm

QR and EK serve almost the same markets, with EK serving more. They compete for most of the connecting traffic. QR is already in (or soon going to be) in MIA, and it has the first mover advantage. I think EK will wait and see what happens at MIA. If QR is very successful, you will see EK going there soon. I agree that EK will start EWR first, while most of that market is covered by JFK, there is still a large population who prefer going via EWR. Followed by DTW and may be ORD. DEN is not that far fetched, however it is a not a big international market so I am not sure if any middle east airline is interested.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:26 pm

Everyone...

You need to think the other direction, with 5th freedom rights, and the EK hub at AKL.
2015 will see the Pacific bank.
SFO
LAX
GRU
EZE

Overnight flights, and morning arrivals... These aircraft will continue westbound to SYD-MEL-BNE-SIN (AKL-SIN will be new service).

The eastbound bank will arrive AKL in the afternoon, and continue on to SFO-LAX-GRU-EZE.

All services will be 388.
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:43 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 24):

As for QTR and UAE its correct they do serve differing markets.
For one thing UAE continue to offer First and a significant Premium across their network, however QTR has rather limited premium offerings it might surprise some to know.

The current Doha facilities aren't that good either if you are in transit to anywhere else !

DXB is also growing as a vacation destination, while you nearly never hear people say "let's go to the beach at Doha"
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:23 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 21):

Well, if people really want to smoke marijuana then it would be a lot easier just to go to AMS. Save some time and some money.

But there really isn't much expansion opportunity left in the US for EK. Maybe if they partner with AA then ORD, PHL, and MIA would make a lot more sense but until then those markets are already saturated with the other gulf carriers.
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:31 pm

Word I got from my pals in DXB is that MIA will come on board before ORD. They weren't able to give me specifics as far as dates, but they've been pretty accurate in the past when it comes to EK's next moves, so I'll trust but verify.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19):
Supposedly SEA has a decent cargo load due in no small amount to EK loading aircraft spares.

I can confirm that this is indeed the case. Lots of aerospace suppliers in the SEA area in order to be in proximity to Boeing manufacturing facilities. Lots of them happen to make parts for Airbus planes as well.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:34 pm

Quoting JDFLYVC10 (Reply 26):
You need to think the other direction, with 5th freedom rights, and the EK hub at AKL.
2015 will see the Pacific bank.
SFO
LAX
GRU
EZE

Highly unlikely the NZ government would grant EK those rights. And they're not logical 5th freedom tag-ons which are normally intended to be by-products of 3rd/4th freedom services. Nobody in their right mind would fly DXB-Australia-AKL-LAX/SFO all the way, or to GRU/EZE via AKL. Those routes are almost twice as far as current EK direct services.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:50 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 30):
Highly unlikely the NZ government would grant EK those rights. And they're not logical 5th freedom tag-ons which are normally intended to be by-products of 3rd/4th freedom services. Nobody in their right mind would fly DXB-Australia-AKL-LAX/SFO all the way, or to GRU/EZE via AKL. Those routes are almost twice as far as current EK direct services

I think that you can probably take

Quoting JDFLYVC10 (Reply 26):
All services will be 388.

as a sarcasm tag.
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:53 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 22):
One thought is that they stick with the 777LR in Boston until the A350s are ready.

I think that might be the case. I don't see the 77L being used as a 77L on that route but rather a 77E. Who knows it could be upgauged to a 77W; it takes a lot for EK to surprise me anymore. In my mind its a perfect A350 route though as you say.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 23):
Do we have numbers on that?

See ER757's post below:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 29):
I can confirm that this is indeed the case. Lots of aerospace suppliers in the SEA area in order to be in proximity to Boeing manufacturing facilities. Lots of them happen to make parts for Airbus planes as well.

I believe it was stitch that first let me on to this fact and it does make sense. I could see the benefit of having a route every day to your supplier so you don't have to keep too many expensive spares on your own books all the time.

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Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:54 pm

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 31):
Quoting JDFLYVC10 (Reply 26):
All services will be 388.

as a sarcasm tag.

With 140 A380s on order it won't be long before a significant percentage of EK flights are A380. Their current 3 daily flights to AKL are all A380.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:07 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 33):
With 140 A380s on order it won't be long before a significant percentage of EK flights are A380.

At the moment they are only planning on operating 115 at one time and by then they will have ~175 77Ws and a couple dozen A350s so the ratio of EK's flights won't be that different than today.

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Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:10 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 27):
DXB is also growing as a vacation destination, while you nearly never hear people say "let's go to the beach at Doha"

For Europeans -> not Americans

We have too many beaches nearby Caribbean/Mexico/Hawaii/Floridal
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:16 pm

Any idea what the composition of O&D vs connections (at DXB) are on these US routes?
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:41 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 35):
For Europeans -> not Americans

We have too many beaches nearby Caribbean/Mexico/Hawaii/Florida

Don't underestimate the American market. At one time, you probably could've said the same about the European market: why go to Dubai when you have Spain, Greece, the Riviera, the Canaries, Morocco, and Egypt as warm-weather spots closer by, just to name a few? Just from seeing how much growth there has been in that market, I personally could see a large tourist market for US-Dubai to develop over the next decade, especially of the higher-yield variety, even with the amount of choices the US has closer in. This is why that I think EK has much larger potential for US expansion than QR and EY: the gap between sub-Continent connection traffic and the O&D traffic might close in more quickly than people might think.

As for expansion right now, I predict the next two destinations that EK will try out are EWR and MIA. I especially think that EWR would be a huge success because of monopoly status and the massive South Indian population in New Jersey.

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Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:49 pm

As a New England resident, the appearance of Emirates in Boston is very exciting. After decades of 'Europe-centric' service, JAL broke through in 2012 and now we're on a sort of little roll with Turkish and Hainan coming along as well.

But what makes the topic interesting is that Emirates has almost a whole 'Pacific Fleet' of aircraft they can throw at routes. Take Newcastle in the UK. No offense to the city or its people, but I couldn't even tell you where it is. Heck, for all I know it's like Manchester, New Hampshire. But Emirates flies 777-300s there. So it's not much of a leap to conclude that something bigger will eventually come to Boston.

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Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:49 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 23):
Do we have numbers on that?

Don't have EK's numbers but do have numbers on whet we give them here in SEA and it is significant - can't share those with you here for obvious reasons.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:58 pm

Quoting trianglegis21 (Reply 37):
Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 35):
For Europeans -> not Americans

We have too many beaches nearby Caribbean/Mexico/Hawaii/Florida

Don't underestimate the American market. At one time, you probably could've said the same about the European market: why go to Dubai when you have Spain, Greece, the Riviera, the Canaries, Morocco, and Egypt as warm-weather spots closer by, just to name a few? J

I think you're being too optimistic about the U.S. market. Even from the closest east coast cities like NYC, DXB is almost 2,000 miles further than Hawaii which isn't a big market from the east coast due to the distance compared to the many much closer warm-weather destinations in Florida, Mexico and the Caribbean.

DXB is much closer to Europe. Most Europeans also get at least twice the annual vacation time of most Americans who don't want to waste 2 days of their precious vacation time sitting on an aircraft for about 12 to 15 hours each way.

[Edited 2014-02-18 12:00:02]
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:59 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 38):
Take Newcastle in the UK. No offense to the city or its people, but I couldn't even tell you where it is. Heck, for all I know it's like Manchester, New Hampshire. But Emirates flies 777-300s there. So it's not much of a leap to conclude that something bigger will eventually come to Boston.

Europe in general is an extremely dense population center; in terms of pure land area, Europe is just a tad bit larger than the United States, but with more than twice the population. Even small areas of Europe unknown to most Americans, like Newcastle, have 1.6 million living in the metro area, roughly the population size of Austin, Texas. NCL-DXB is very much their version of AUS/RDU-LHR.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:02 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 40):
Most Europeans also get at least twice the annual vacation time of most Americans who don't want to waste 2 days of their precious vacation time sitting on an aircraft.

Well, as I stated above, an even larger factor is just that Europe has twice the amount of people in about the same area as the United States, so just by nature there is a larger travel market to appeal to there.   And of course, Americans have had mostly domestic-based travel patterns, but that's really starting to change especially during the last decade.

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Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:25 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 15):
U.A.E and Qatar are 2 different markets. If it was EY that started MIA instead of QR then it would be a whole new story. Which would make sense for EK not to start MIA.

O&D markets are different but these flights don't operate based on O&D because that's an almost insignificant number. Case in point:

Quoting point2point (Reply 18):
DEN-DXB is about 10 PDEW. Ranks up there with SEA's 13 PDEW and DFW's 8 PDEW.

So, UAE and Qatar are exactly the same market: Connections to South/Central Asia.

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 22):
I saw Seattle switch from the 777LR to the 773ER and figured that Boston might see the same migration in a year or two. But now I realize that Boston doesn't have the freight that Seattle does. Still, it will be interesting to see how Boston evolves.

The 77L is the smallet aircraft that EK has for routes to the U.S. So for slim markets it is the logical choice to start new routes but they don't have enough of them. EK pulled the 77L from SEA, not because the SEA market is big enough but because it needed the equipment to enter BOS ahead of TK. Like you I believe that all of these thin U.S. markets will be A350 routes. That includes BOS, SEA, DFW, etc.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:36 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 38):
But Emirates flies 777-300s there. So it's not much of a leap to conclude that something bigger will eventually come to Boston.

Yes. I really wouldn't look at EK like how many people are heading to DXB from BOS each day. I think the way to look at it is how many people are going from New England to the Middle East, South Asia/India each day and vice versa. Most of this traffic would normally go through Europe and now its being siphoned off to the ME instead. And the more connections that they grow East of DXB the fewer passengers they really need to make BOS make sense and then before you know it 77Ws and A380s (doubtful).

I see EK's A359 fleet as providing this roll in the future of testing out new markets before upgauging to a 777x for the backbone of the fleet and then cherry picking the top 50-66% of those routes to upgrade to the flagship A380s when it makes sense.

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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:38 pm

Quoting trianglegis21 (Reply 37):
Don't underestimate the American market

I'm not - I know many people in the Boston area who will never go to Hawaii let alone Dubai due to distance. A travel buddy of mine complained incessantly about BOS-ORD-PVR versus BOS-CUN.

Quoting trianglegis21 (Reply 41):
Even small areas of Europe unknown to most Americans, like Newcastle, have 1.6 million living in the metro area, roughly the population size of Austin, Texas. NCL-DXB is very much their version of AUS/RDU-LHR.

And a population that has strong ties to China, South Asia and Australia/NZ all well served by the DXB hub. Lets face it, the average European travels more often and at further distances than the average American.
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:39 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 38):
But what makes the topic interesting is that Emirates has almost a whole 'Pacific Fleet' of aircraft they can throw at routes. Take Newcastle in the UK. No offense to the city or its people, but I couldn't even tell you where it is. Heck, for all I know it's like Manchester, New Hampshire. But Emirates flies 777-300s there. So it's not much of a leap to conclude that something bigger will eventually come to Boston.

Newcastle is a pretty large city in Northern England, close to the Scottish border. It's not a wealthy city but there is a very large UK expat community in Dubai - much larger than the US's. Additionally NCL benefits greatly from EK's hub and spoke system as it doesn't have much in the way of international flights itself, but EK opens up 1-stops with South and South East Asia as well as Australia. US routes don't really have this benefit.
 
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:42 pm

Just give me A380 for SFO EK. Just give me that.  
 
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:10 pm

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 44):
And the more connections that they grow East of DXB the fewer passengers they really need to make BOS make sense and then before you know it 77Ws and A380s (doubtful).

I don't see that happen for one simple reason. DXB is heavily congested an in order to continue to grow EK now has 4 clear connecting banks. I see EK expanding frequencies with smaller aircraft (A350), rather than upgauging existing frequencies. I see BOs going to 2x daily with A350 before an upgauge to 77W but I could be wrong.
 
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RE: EK USA Expansion Plans

Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:47 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 48):
I don't see that happen for one simple reason. DXB is heavily congested an in order to continue to grow EK now has 4 clear connecting banks. I see EK expanding frequencies with smaller aircraft (A350), rather than upgauging existing frequencies. I see BOs going to 2x daily with A350 before an upgauge to 77W but I could be wrong.

You don't see EK offering too many frequencies on their smaller jets on long haul. They do with their larger ones like 6 A380s into LHR on Sunday. You could be right but I think they would sooner offer frequency on 77Ws then they would A350s. I think A350s will be used to test and establish a route for the larger aircraft rather than adding frequency. Unless its near by then frequency can make a lot of sense for utilization like they do in India currently. I could be wrong.

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