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AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:10 am

Hi all,

AY has finally announced their plans to operate HEL-MIA during winter periond of 16 Dec 2014 till 21st March 2015. Aircraft type A340. This will be a scheduled service, with two-class offering.

AY007 HEL-MIA on Tuesdays and Thursdays: dep. 09h55, arr. 14h05

AY008 MIA-HEL on Tuesdays and Thursdays: dep 16h00 arr. 08h50 (+1)

Third weekly departure on Saturdays commences on 3rd of January, 2015. Same schedule applies.

Source: Finnair

Good to see AY returning to MIA with scheduled service and widebody! I guess this will be in direct competition with freshly started flights of DY to Florida. At least AY says flights are fitted for smooth connections especially from Sweden, Estonia and Finland.
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:14 am

Good news for the expat Finn's living in Florida!
Anyone recalls the old flight numbers when in the 90's and 80's AY flew to MIA?
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:41 am

This will also strengthen the OW hub at HEL. Oneworld flows quite a lot of Russia and Baltic-bound traffic via HEL. I see lots of XXX-ORD-HEL-DME connections!

I visited Helsinki / Tallinn / Riga last fall and absolutely loved it! I was kind of surprised to see the complete lack of American tourists even in the summertime. It's a beautiful area I think just as comparable to Western Europe and with fascinating histories. I think this area is totally underrated for US tourist traffic- though I think the idea behind this route is mostly for those business connections over HEL.
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:02 am

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 2):
I think this area is totally underrated for US tourist traffic- though I think the idea behind this route is mostly for those business connections over HEL.

My bet goes to catering for snowbirds from the Nordics to Florida and back. Twice/thrice-a-week schedule during winter season, one of the days being a Saturday does not cater business people that well, IMO.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 2):
I was kind of surprised to see the complete lack of American tourists even in the summertime.

I guess you happened to visit Helsinki when no cruise ships were docked. Then the Americans are all over the city!  
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:06 am

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 2):
XXX-ORD-HEL-DME connections

ORD-HEL? On AA? BUt that is operated only during Summer months...
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:15 am

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 2):
I think this area is totally underrated for US tourist traffic- though I think the idea behind this route is mostly for those business connections over HEL.

Perhaps new AA and AY can change that  
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:46 am

AY007 HEL0955 – 1405MIA 340 246
AY008 MIA1600 – 0850+1HEL 340 246
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:16 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 6):
AY007 HEL0955 – 1405MIA 340 246

Small amount of European connecting traffic. Even from VNO and RIX it is impossible to reach HEL at 9:30. So it is for Nordic traffic and Asian traffic oriented only.
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:50 pm

I wonder where does AY find the capacity for this rotation? AY is also adding frequency to BKK during that period. A350 has not arrived by then.
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:05 pm

Wow finally they return to MIA and scheduled! This is new:

"The route between Helsinki and Miami International Airport will be included in the joint business on transatlantic traffic with oneworld alliance partners American Airlines, British Airways and Iberia. This gives customers the possibility to mix and match flights on the different carriers for the best pricing and scheduling."

Their MD-11 was a regular visitor there years back.


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Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 8):
I wonder where does AY find the capacity for this rotation? AY is also adding frequency to BKK during that period. A350 has not arrived by then.

Less charter services next winter?

Quoting smbukas (Reply 7):
Small amount of European connecting traffic. Even from VNO and RIX it is impossible to reach HEL at 9:30. So it is for Nordic traffic and Asian traffic oriented only.

Yes the early AY007 departure reduces connections.

[Edited 2014-02-18 06:23:24]
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:52 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 9):
Less charter services next winter?

This has to be the case. I wonder how much the JB with OW carriers, especially with AA helps this route? MIA is a big hub for AA. It would be cool to see this route become all year round, but as said, I think this is targeted for the Nordic people rather than any other market.
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:19 pm

Quoting smbukas (Reply 7):
Asian traffic

If they're competitive. For years (8, actually) I have been looking at flying from SIN to MIA via Europe and have never found any European carrier to be competitive. The only good fare from SIN to the East Coast (JFK) was QR via DOH with awfully long connections. I believe from China it is just as expensive as when I lived in PVG I also checked some of these out. It makes so much more sense to fly via the Pacific, even to the East Coast.

I'm sure there will be tons of Russians on this flight on their way to buy nice condos and houses at Sunny Isles.

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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:13 pm

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 10):
This has to be the case. I wonder how much the JB with OW carriers, especially with AA helps this route? MIA is a big hub for AA. It would be cool to see this route become all year round, but as said, I think this is targeted for the Nordic people rather than any other market.

I see a lot of passengers traveling between MIA and Europe on AA metal but with AY flight numbers. HEL and TLL seem to be popular destinations in my experience, at least during the winter.
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:46 pm

This flight is probably trying to steal some traffic from SU. Could this be an indication of the success of SU and UN at MIA?
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:13 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 13):
This flight is probably trying to steal some traffic from SU

the short answer is - nope   
I thought the same, but they have no early morning departures from LED nor SVO, the time difference actually works in their favor, but they would have to overnight crew & equipment
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:32 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 13):
This flight is probably trying to steal some traffic from SU.

They'll get some passengers from Russia for sure but the timetable suggests their prime target are the holidaymakers in Finland and the Finnish expat community in Florida. The connections seem to be rather challenging, the JB with BA/AA/IB gives more choices of course.
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:26 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 15):

The schedule sure is strange, though they say in the press release that main target markets are Finland, Sweden and Estonia. But even an hour later departure would increase the catchment of feeder traffic. It must due to the rotation of the a/c which suggests tight schedule for heavies during winter period. I hope AY does not screw it up a la DY.
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:04 pm

Great article: http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...-next-winter/#.UwNJf5GfYVg.twitter

Shows PAX demand from HEL-MIA since 2002!
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:47 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 17):

Thanks for sharing that link, was indeed interesting! If this route is targeted for Nordic snowbirds living in Florida, why not fly to Fort Lauderdale? They can handle A340, right?
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:31 am

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 14):
I thought the same, but they have no early morning departures from LED nor SVO, the time difference actually works in their favor, but they would have to overnight crew & equipment

The first train from Saint Petersburg arrives at Tikkurila station at 8.11AM, the station is a short hop away from HEL (10 mins taxi ride). So, one can at least in theory travel Saint Petersburg-HEL-MIA but with train/flight combination. Problem would be possible delays in train operations, as such itinerary would not be interline thus AY would not wait/compensate on passengers missing their flight.
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:25 pm

Quoting AY" class="quote" target="_blank">okAY (Reply 19):
The first train from Saint Petersburg arrives at Tikkurila station at 8.11AM

great info for the little getaway I am planning to HEL & LED   
welcome back to MIA AY      
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:38 pm

Quoting smbukas (Reply 7):
So it is for Nordic traffic and Asian traffic oriented only.

Nordic, maybe, but asian traffic is gonna be far and few in between

PVG-HEL-MIA is a good19% / 1500mi longer than via ORD.

But I guess for smaller cities like CKG it might work.
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:14 pm

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 20):
great info for the little getaway I am planning to HEL & LED


The land connection from HEL to St Petersburg works pretty well, thanks to the fast Allegro train. And the connection is improving, later next year you can use the new rail link from HEL to catch the train to St Pete.

The Allegro train to St Petersburg is pretty convenient, the passport and customs controls are conducted aboard the moving train. The journey between the city centers takes 3h 36h, ticket prices start from 39 Euros one way.

http://www.vr.fi/en/index/aikataulut...ntimetables/allegrotimetables.html
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:34 pm

Not too long ago, Finnair was bringing the 757 to FLL (2009) and to Miami after that.


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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:20 pm

Quoting eksath (Reply 23):
Not too long ago, Finnair was bringing the 757 to FLL (2009) and to Miami after that.

Those 757 flights to Florida were charters carrying package holidaymakers, a technical stop in Halifax was needed. The last time AY had scheduled service to Florida was in winter 2004-05, MD-11 HEL-MIA, a codeshare with AA.
 
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:57 am

It may have been a charter, but i remember it as being a scheduled service. It was a regular bi weekly (?) visitor atleast.
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RE: AY To MIA In W/2014/15

Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:36 am

Quoting eksath (Reply 25):
It may have been a charter, but i remember it as being a scheduled service.

Yes you are right, not sure what would be the right term, AY call them "leisure flights", typically weekly or bi weekly service to the warmer climates.

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