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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Wed May 21, 2014 2:18 pm

Quoting EricR (Reply 199):
This was the first time in its history that Sky Harbor had more than 4 million passengers in one month. Spring training and spring break drove the majority of the demand.

Not surprising at all with the horrible weather that was all over the East coast all winter. Should be interesting in the years to come as more baseball teams move out here. The stated goal for the MLB was to get most of the teams in the greater Phoenix area. When that starts happening February and March will be busier and busier.
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Wed May 21, 2014 2:27 pm

Also I was wondering if anyone expected Virgin America to enter the PHX market anytime soon?
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Wed May 21, 2014 9:23 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 198):


Quoting 4holer (Reply 197):
Evacuation would have gone much faster but the F/A at the door charging the "Evac Slide Usage Fee" was having issues with her credit card reader. Once the passengers who could not afford the "Re-Gating Bus Usage Fee" had walked back to the terminal in the 102 degree heat, the replacement plane had arrived and they could continue to their destination. They made a fortune selling water to these walkers on the replacement plane! High fives all around at Allegiant!

We get it, they charge for everything... Seems like that was a little much.

Local news said the FAA was enroute to investigate, anyone know any more about that?

I agree, that was a little harsh. I have flown Allegiant several times before, and while they do charge for everything, they aren't overly pushy on the sales.
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu May 22, 2014 12:45 am

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 200):
Not surprising at all with the horrible weather that was all over the East coast all winter. Should be interesting in the years to come as more baseball teams move out here. The stated goal for the MLB was to get most of the teams in the greater Phoenix area. When that starts happening February and March will be busier and busier.

I'm optimistic that this is good for the prolonged longevity of the hub.
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Thu May 22, 2014 1:52 pm

Anyone have any idea when the T3 people mover will be finished?
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu May 22, 2014 1:58 pm

I do believe the opening is scheduled sometime early 2015.

[Edited 2014-05-22 06:59:01]
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu May 22, 2014 1:59 pm

Well due to the fires the DC-10 tanker 911 is back at IWA.
 
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Thu May 22, 2014 3:30 pm

PHX recorded it busiest month ever in March. Over 4 million passed through the airport. 1.9 million by US and 1.2 million by WN.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...as-its-busiest-month-ever/9366451/
 
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Thu May 22, 2014 5:28 pm

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 207):
PHX recorded it busiest month ever in March. Over 4 million passed through the airport. 1.9 million by US and 1.2 million by WN.

I was part of that 4 million, but via DL   
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu May 22, 2014 7:42 pm

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 206):
Well due to the fires the DC-10 tanker 911 is back at IWA.

I saw 911 on the ramp yesterday afternoon, there is a single Neptune out there as well.
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu May 22, 2014 8:28 pm

AA 777 diversion enroute from LAX to MIA for unruly pax. Reg is N783AN:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...8/history/20140522/1750Z/KLAX/KPHX



[Edited 2014-05-22 13:50:16]
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Fri May 23, 2014 9:59 am

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 201):
Also I was wondering if anyone expected Virgin America to enter the PHX market anytime soon?

I know that IWA has been courting them for a number of years -- at least since 2008. I think it was pretty optimistic since it isn't the typical airport they'd serve. I think they're likely to add PHX one of these days, but honestly I would have thought it would already happened. If they don't add PHX sometime in the next couple of years, then all I can figure is that there must be a specific reason for why they haven't come.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 204):
Anyone have any idea when the T3 people mover will be finished?

Last I heard is that testing is due to start in late summer/early fall and for it to go operational in January or February 2015. Most of the construction work appears finished at this point.
 
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Fri May 23, 2014 5:06 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 211):
I know that IWA has been courting them for a number of years -- at least since 2008. I think it was pretty optimistic since it isn't the typical airport they'd serve. I think they're likely to add PHX one of these days, but honestly I would have thought it would already happened. If they don't add PHX sometime in the next couple of years, then all I can figure is that there must be a specific reason for why they haven't come.

My guess is it's because their primary markets, LAX and SFO are already saturated to PHX. LAX-PHX has 29 flights scheduled today between AA, US, WN, UA and DL. SFO-PHX has 15 flights scheduled today between UA, US and WN. I just don't think there's any room for another carrier in these markets right now.
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Fri May 23, 2014 7:03 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 211):

Last I heard is that testing is due to start in late summer/early fall and for it to go operational in January or February 2015.

Testing has already started. For 10 days this month, and for the entire month of June, the train will be shut down every night from 10PM-5AM for testing.

Operations scheduled to begin in February 2015.
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Fri May 23, 2014 10:36 pm

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 212):
My guess is it's because their primary markets, LAX and SFO are already saturated to PHX. LAX-PHX has 29 flights scheduled today between AA, US, WN, UA and DL. SFO-PHX has 15 flights scheduled today between UA, US and WN. I just don't think there's any room for another carrier in these markets right now.

Right, I almost added that to my post. The PHX-California market is totally saturated, which is an unkind environment for new entrants with zero loyalty base here. Even if they went east coast, JFK would be directly competing against B6, and they have a lot of brand overlap. I think for those reasons, IWA has thought that perhaps they had a chance to lure them with incentives, but I don't think that IWA has the passenger base to which VX caters.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 213):
Testing has already started. For 10 days this month, and for the entire month of June, the train will be shut down every night from 10PM-5AM for testing.

Operations scheduled to begin in February 2015.

Oh really? I had heard a later date, but apparently that was wrong. I haven't noticed any trains running so I assumed it was still accurate. I suppose the scheduled opening date I had was correct though. It sounds like it'll open just in time for spring training.
 
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Sat May 24, 2014 4:52 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 214):
Right, I almost added that to my post. The PHX-California market is totally saturated, which is an unkind environment for new entrants with zero loyalty base here. Even if they went east coast, JFK would be directly competing against B6, and they have a lot of brand overlap. I think for those reasons, IWA has thought that perhaps they had a chance to lure them with incentives, but I don't think that IWA has the passenger base to which VX caters.

Could Apple setting up shop in Mesa influence VX to run a few flights a week to IWA?
 
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Sat May 24, 2014 9:42 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 215):
Could Apple setting up shop in Mesa influence VX to run a few flights a week to IWA?

I suppose it's a possibility, unlikely, but still possible. I don't think the new Apple facility is large enough right now to create that much demand to SFO though. If VX starts IWA service, you can bet I'd use it.
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Sun May 25, 2014 12:33 am

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 215):
Could Apple setting up shop in Mesa influence VX to run a few flights a week to IWA?

Highly doubtful. Apple isn't shuttling large swaths of employees between Cupertino and Mesa. If any bigwigs fly down here, they'll come on the company plane to IWA. The rest of the people can drive over from PHX.

That being said, I'd love it if VX came down here. I really enjoy flying them from time to time.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 213):
Testing has already started. For 10 days this month, and for the entire month of June, the train will be shut down every night from 10PM-5AM for testing.

This whole nightly shut down sucks. I forgot about it a few days ago and had to wait for the bus. Oh how I don't miss those days...
 
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Sun May 25, 2014 9:40 am

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 215):
Could Apple setting up shop in Mesa influence VX to run a few flights a week to IWA?

As the others say, I think that's doubtful, albeit a good thought. Intel shuttles their employees from IWA to SJC (I think) from their campus in Chandler on Legacies. Tech companies have the ability to do such things. Otherwise, VX would happily fly IWA-SFO if they had a chance to sell all the front seats to Intel and Apple folks. Besides, I think the new Apple plant in Mesa is technically a subcontractor, isn't it? Apart from the odd QA people flying down from Cupertino, I don't think there will be any significant numbers going back and forth, and those who do will prefer the convenience of flying on their own jet. Bastards. But I'm sure none of us are bitter. I'm not.
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Fri May 30, 2014 7:35 pm

Does anyone know if the AN-124 is going to be coming back to IWA soon? The reason why I ask is that this morning I saw four AH-64's on the north side pad of IWA and they looked like they were prepping them for shipping.
 
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Fri May 30, 2014 8:14 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 218):
Besides, I think the new Apple plant in Mesa is technically a subcontractor, isn't it?

Correct.

It's somewhat ambiguous as to who actually owns/leases the plant, but it's run by GT Advanced Technology, a subcontractor.
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Fri May 30, 2014 9:42 pm

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 219):
Does anyone know if the AN-124 is going to be coming back to IWA soon? The reason why I ask is that this morning I saw four AH-64's on the north side pad of IWA and they looked like they were prepping them for shipping.

Yes, I heard from a contact that the An-124 will be coming back sometime soon to pick up the rest of the AH-64's that were ordered. I don't know when it's supposed to be back for sure, so for now just watch Flight Aware for the inbound to show up.
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Fri May 30, 2014 10:58 pm

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 221):
Yes, I heard from a contact that the An-124 will be coming back sometime soon to pick up the rest of the AH-64's that were ordered. I don't know when it's supposed to be back for sure, so for now just watch Flight Aware for the inbound to show up.

Thanks and I will. I just hope that it is not Tuesday PM or Wednesday AM as I have appointments then and cannot see it.
 
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Sat May 31, 2014 4:45 pm

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 221):
Yes, I heard from a contact that the An-124 will be coming back sometime soon to pick up the rest of the AH-64's that were ordered. I don't know when it's supposed to be back for sure, so for now just watch Flight Aware for the inbound to show up.

How soon are we talking? Next week soon, or like, August-when-Zach-returns-To-Arizona- soon?  
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Sat May 31, 2014 7:32 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 223):
How soon are we talking? Next week soon, or like, August-when-Zach-returns-To-Arizona- soon?

As of yesterday (5/30) the outgoing apaches are already parked on taxiway C awaiting pick up
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:04 am

Looks like an AN-124 will be at IWA in the morning. Sunday June 1st around 8:19am
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VDA1801
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:18 am

NBC12 just reported that according to PHX airport officials, "...a bullet was found on the runway around 2:30 this afternoon. The bullet was on a jetway of an American Airlines flight to Orange County. As a precautionary measure, all passengers onboard that flight were deplaned and re-screened before being allowed back on... The plane left two hours later."

So, apparently "runway" and "jetway" are now synonymous.   
 
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Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:43 pm

AN-124 will leave at 6:10 this morning (6/2) to Goose Bay in Canada

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VDA1814

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 226):
NBC12 just reported that according to PHX airport officials, "...a bullet was found on the runway around 2:30 this afternoon. The bullet was on a jetway of an American Airlines flight to Orange County. As a precautionary measure, all passengers onboard that flight were deplaned and re-screened before being allowed back on... The plane left two hours later."

So, apparently "runway" and "jetway" are now synonymous.

Saw the same thing and thought the same thing also. Well it did have a way in both words.
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:36 am

Just in town for a few days, and I have noticed the same to United Express, ie, Mesa, E175s parked near the police station. They seem to have been there for a while, when I checked Flightaware they both flew from FLL to PHX a while ago. Just curious, my question comes with no subterfuge, what is the deal with them?
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:20 am

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 228):
Just in town for a few days, and I have noticed the same to United Express, ie, Mesa, E175s parked near the police station. They seem to have been there for a while, when I checked Flightaware they both flew from FLL to PHX a while ago. Just curious, my question comes with no subterfuge, what is the deal with them?

Well, three things (and there's possibly more to it -- I'm not an insider). One, all new aircraft when delivered to an airline go through an entry into service process, just as when they leave, they go through an exit process. This could take a couple of days or a couple of weeks. Two, the type is new for the company, so that means the EIS will take longer, and once it does enter into service, it'll be on testing duties for several weeks. Three, the company doesn't have any pilots rated on the E170/175/190/195, aside from most likely the chief pilot and possibly a handful of others who would have received prior training, potentially at Embraer. Obviously once the pilots and the airplane are ready to go, they'll commence testing flights, with its first revenue flight due sometime in July, last I heard.

Someone else may have more info on this to further clarify.

On a side note, why the hell would you come here now!?! Did you not realize that it's already 100-and-I've-lost-the-will-to-live-degrees outside?? I can't wait to get out of here. Hong Kong would be nice -- it's definitely one of my favorite cities!
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:33 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 229):
Hong Kong would be nice -- it's definitely one of my favorite cities!

Nice, and well, I can attest to this for sure. 112F with almost no humidity is much easier to deal with than 90F and 99% humidity. Family beckons, and if you don't respond, the guilting starts... it's just easier. At least I did not have to go to Safford this trip!

Thanks for the update on the jets, I noticed too that they have really big angled winglets--those are covered in another thread. Hopefully, they put them on the SFO flights from PHX, that full CRJ was pretty cramped for a nearly two hour flight.
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Tue Jun 03, 2014 3:51 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 229):

On a side note, why the hell would you come here now!?! Did you not realize that it's already 100-and-I've-lost-the-will-to-live-degrees outside??

Best statement EVER on the heat here. I also love when people say, "But it is a dry heat" witch I follow with, Yeah, so is a fire.
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:41 pm

Currently at sky harbor going away on a trip to Kona, I noticed an AA 757 landing? Anyone know about this? Does AA ever send 757's to PHX on a scheduled service?
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:53 pm

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 232):
Does AA ever send 757's to PHX on a scheduled service?

PHX-DFW on AA has started seeing some 757s, I believe 2 or 3 daily. I think they have started one to ORD as well. This will be more common as crossfleeting increases.

You are seeing AA1095.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20140603/1725Z/KPHX/KDFW
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:17 pm

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 233):

That appears to be a temporary schedule with the 757s. They go back to MD80s and 738s next week and through the rest of the summer.
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:30 pm

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 232):
I noticed an AA 757 landing?

Temporary schedule change. 2 daily DFW trips will be on 757s this week.
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:23 pm

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 216):
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Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 229):
On a side note, why the hell would you come here now!?! Did you not realize that it's already 100-and-I've-lost-the-will-to-live-degrees outside?? I can't wait to get out of here. Hong Kong would be nice -- it's definitely one of my favorite cities!

Having been to Hong Kong in July (my favorite city) it is 95 degrees with 90% humidity. I will take the desert!   
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:37 pm

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 230):
Nice, and well, I can attest to this for sure. 112F with almost no humidity is much easier to deal with than 90F and 99% humidity. Family beckons, and if you don't respond, the guilting starts... it's just easier. At least I did not have to go to Safford this trip!

Thanks for the update on the jets, I noticed too that they have really big angled winglets--those are covered in another thread. Hopefully, they put them on the SFO flights from PHX, that full CRJ was pretty cramped for a nearly two hour flight.

I grew up in the south, so while I'm no longer accustomed to humidity, I can take it just fine. I've never thought that sort of heat became simply oppressive like the heat does here in AZ. Come August, I'll be checking real estate listings inside the Arctic Circle as a means of therapy.

I'm actually interested to see if there are any cabin updates with the new E175s. As it is, I'm a big fan of the E-jet cabin and it was already quite modern-looking. I haven't read anything outside of the aerodynamic enhancements and the addition of LED lights.

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 231):
Best statement EVER on the heat here. I also love when people say, "But it is a dry heat" witch I follow with, Yeah, so is a fire.

Whenever anyone says, "Oh, but it's a dry heat!", I recognize two things: One, they've clearly never lived here and only visit between September and May, and two, they deserve a throat punch. I have never once heard that phrase come from someone who is forced to suffer the agony of living here year-round, because we're well aware of its stupidity.
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:51 pm

Does anyone know or remember what kind of service level AM has had in the past? It seems a bit odd to me that they maintain their one daily flight to HMO on a E145. I don't think we'd see much expansion from them, especially now that Y4 entered the market and seems to be doing quite good. In fact I wonder if Y4 is effecting US significantly or not.
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:58 pm

Quoting MountainWest90 (Reply 238):
Does anyone know or remember what kind of service level AM has had in the past? It seems a bit odd to me that they maintain their one daily flight to HMO on a E145. I don't think we'd see much expansion from them, especially now that Y4 entered the market and seems to be doing quite good. In fact I wonder if Y4 is effecting US significantly or not.


AM historically had a larger presence than they do today, most of which fell off between 2008-2010. They operated GDL and MEX nonstop with 737s and MD80s, usually less than daily. GDL ended in early 2008 and MEX was discontinued in 2009 although I believe they continued to offer direct service to MEX through HMO. HMO was pretty consistently operated by both mainline equipment and 5D ERJs until around 2010 when they dropped the 737 from the route entirely. I believe that was the last time AM was in PHX on scheduled service.
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:16 am

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 237):
Whenever anyone says, "Oh, but it's a dry heat!", I recognize two things: One, they've clearly never lived here and only visit between September and May, and two, they deserve a throat punch.

I can attest, it makes a difference. I lived in PHX for four years, but eight years in Safford, prior to Safford, I was in Jeddah, KSA for 13 years. But I left HK it was 33C 95%, and just walking to the bus stop, I was drenched. And it took a good 15 minutes to stop sweating even once inside the well A/C'd office.

In PHX, I parked on Rio Salado, near the Best Buy, but then walked over to Barnes & Noble, and back to the Best Buy. The temperature in my rental car was 108F. I don't know what the humidity % was. But it was much more comfortable in PHX, as I was not nearly as sweaty, hardly at all really. (I know it's actually Tempe). In late July and August when the humidity comes to PHX, it does get worse. In Safford, I remember that the clouds build up during the day on both the Gila Mountains, and Mount Graham, only to have it thunderstorm around 5pm.

Anyways, when I left, yesterday (two days ago?), as part of round-the-world ticket, the two EMB-175s were still parked there, looking very new, but untouched. Maybe the police are using them for anti-Jihad training and bomb-sniffing dog training. I flew, PHX-AUS-LHR-HKG, US-BA-CX, CRJ-9-788-77W. I really wish that first one was a shiny new EMB-175, because I am not small, and I was seated next to someone who was even bigger, aiyah, it was cramped on a CRJ-9 for 1:52.
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:13 am

Quoting wn676 (Reply 239):
AM historically had a larger presence than they do today, most of which fell off between 2008-2010. They operated GDL and MEX nonstop with 737s and MD80s, usually less than daily. GDL ended in early 2008 and MEX was discontinued in 2009 although I believe they continued to offer direct service to MEX through HMO. HMO was pretty consistently operated by both mainline equipment and 5D ERJs until around 2010 when they dropped the 737 from the route entirely. I believe that was the last time AM was in PHX on scheduled service.

Thanks for the reply. I still find it interesting that they continue to operate the 5D service HMO.

Since I'm on a Mexico rant today. What are the chances of a PHX-MTY Route? Maybe US/AA or Y4. Looking at the wiki article for MTY they have no US west coast routes so it could be a chance for US/AA to take a chance on west coast connections to California and the PacNW even if they did the route with a YV 900. It's a long shot specially because of AA's existing DFW-MTY service but who knows. Just thought I'd throw it out there.
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:32 am

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 229):

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 228):
Just in town for a few days, and I have noticed the same to United Express, ie, Mesa, E175s parked near the police station. They seem to have been there for a while, when I checked Flightaware they both flew from FLL to PHX a while ago. Just curious, my question comes with no subterfuge, what is the deal with them?

Well, three things (and there's possibly more to it -- I'm not an insider). One, all new aircraft when delivered to an airline go through an entry into service process, just as when they leave, they go through an exit process. This could take a couple of days or a couple of weeks. Two, the type is new for the company, so that means the EIS will take longer, and once it does enter into service, it'll be on testing duties for several weeks. Three, the company doesn't have any pilots rated on the E170/175/190/195, aside from most likely the chief pilot and possibly a handful of others who would have received prior training, potentially at Embraer. Obviously once the pilots and the airplane are ready to go, they'll commence testing flights, with its first revenue flight due sometime in July, last I heard.

Someone else may have more info on this to further clarify.

These look like brand-new planes prepping for EIS. Regs appear to be N87302, N87303, and N88301; that last one has been doing some proving runs:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASH1366
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASH1367
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:46 am

Quoting MountainWest90 (Reply 241):
Thanks for the reply. I still find it interesting that they continue to operate the 5D service HMO.

Since I'm on a Mexico rant today. What are the chances of a PHX-MTY Route? Maybe US/AA or Y4. Looking at the wiki article for MTY they have no US west coast routes so it could be a chance for US/AA to take a chance on west coast connections to California and the PacNW even if they did the route with a YV 900. It's a long shot specially because of AA's existing DFW-MTY service but who knows. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

MTY does have service to LAX on 5D. AA certainly has a larger customer base to pull from on the west coast but like you mentioned they do already have DFW-MTY. I don't think a carrier like Y4 would have any shot as O&D appears to be practically non-existent...I think MBJ has better figures and you see how well that non-stop worked out, even with the benefit of west coast connectivity.

HP operated MTY for a brief period around 2003/2004 if I remember correctly. Service was with Mesa CRJs.
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:59 am

Quoting wn676 (Reply 243):
MTY does have service to LAX on 5D

I missed that one.  Wow! I just thought I'd pose the question see what some thoughts were. As well I find it unlikely. However I will say that while MBJ has better numbers it is a longer stage length plus more leisure whereas a MTY flight is shorter and more business traffic although still in smaller numbers then a MBJ. (Side note: Not that any PHX-Mexico traffic is high yielding). That's why I suggest a YV 900. I'll admit that almost all connections that would come from a PHX-MTY flight would steal pax from a DFW-MTY flight.
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:02 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 237):

Whenever anyone says, "Oh, but it's a dry heat!", I recognize two things: One, they've clearly never lived here and only visit between September and May, and two, they deserve a throat punch. I have never once heard that phrase come from someone who is forced to suffer the agony of living here year-round, because we're well aware of its stupidity.

The dry heat is more tolerable.

For about 2 minutes, or until you touch the steering wheel in your car at 2PM.


My favorite comeback to the "dry heat" thing is "there's nothing dry about all that sweat". Plus, PHX is actually fairly humid for a desert. We had actual flowing rivers 50 years ago.
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:13 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 245):
My favorite comeback to the "dry heat" thing is "there's nothing dry about all that sweat". Plus, PHX is actually fairly humid for a desert. We had actual flowing rivers 50 years ago.

I always say go stand by your oven for 4 months then see how you feel. The frustrating thing for me is when it's still 105 at 11pm.

Then comes the A.net July tradition of "AGW caused it to be too hot in PHX and planes cannot takeoff therefore PHX should not be a hub due to delays and AGW"
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:30 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 245):
For about 2 minutes, or until you touch the steering wheel in your car at 2PM.

Two finger driving technique mastered.... Thanks to my college days of driving a 1971 VW Bug with black searing wheel and vinyl seats.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 245):
My favorite comeback to the "dry heat" thing is "there's nothing dry about all that sweat". Plus, PHX is actually fairly humid for a desert. We had actual flowing rivers 50 years ago.

Actually they still do, but they are subsurface in the greater Phoenix. If you go to 115th have you can see it flowing.

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 246):
I always say go stand by your oven for 4 months then see how you feel. The frustrating thing for me is when it's still 105 at 11pm.

My first trip to Hawai'i we went to a restaurant that I did not know you had to cook your down dinner. After thinking that I did not just travel 2,950 miles to cook my own (insert cuss word here) dinner I walked up to the large grilling area. After placing the meat on the grill one of the cooks overseeing the area said I could move to be more comfortable. I said thanks, but I was fine and it was not too hot. He looked at me and said, "Phoenix or Vegas". I asked him how did he know and he said that people for those places were the only ones that would just stand there and be fine.

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 246):
Then comes the A.net July tradition of "AGW caused it to be too hot in PHX and planes cannot takeoff therefore PHX should not be a hub due to delays and AGW"

Agree, and it is often from people that have never been here or have no idea how big the metro area is.
 
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:42 pm

Meh, this isn't bad.

Unless your from one of the far northern states, chances are, your summer sucks equally as bad, only because of humidity. The other nine months of the year, it's beautiful.
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RE: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 9

Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:00 am

I have been to both Houston and Atlanta in mid July when its 98 deg with 100% humidity couldn't wait to get back to the 115 deg in PHX. At least in PHX you dry off when you get out of the shower. And only once or twice has the heat caused delays out of PHX and that was because airlines didn't have specs for temps above 120 deg. Living near Chandler there was a push to extend the runways from 4870 to 5000 feet so jets could take off in the summer. I have seen many times when its 110 or above and they don't seem to have any issues and fly 1500 or more miles per flight aware.

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