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BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:04 am

BA has confirmed it will operated its A380s thrice weekly to Singapore from 28OCT14. The other 4 services will remain 747.

The announcement was made by Kristin Davis via youtube link.

This is a good move by BA as SIN has traditionally been a high yield route for the airline. The BA 777s will continue to SYD.

This is probably a further blow to QF's flights which seem to be struggling on the Kangaroo route.

More details:

http://www.airlinehubbuzz.com/britis...-announces-a380-flights-singapore/
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:24 am

Still no JFK or MIA! The heck BA..      
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:38 am

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):
This is probably a further blow to QF's flights which seem to be struggling on the Kangaroo route.

Do you have a source for this statement?
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:45 am

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):
This is probably a further blow to QF's flights

How exactly? BA isn't changing SYD to SIN, so that capacity remains the same. QF doesn't even operate SIN to LHR so how does this directly affect QF?
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:50 am

Quoting TN486 (Reply 3):
Do you have a source for this statement?

Not only that, but also this is not a through flight to/from Australia. It terminates in SIN. So if anything it may mean more pax connecting onto QF at SIN.
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:51 am

Good for BA! SIN is an A380 haven!

Quoting Miami (Reply 1):
Still no JFK or MIA! The heck BA.

I think that the lack of A380s to JFK can be explained by the fact that AA and BA are more focused on offering multiple schedules to their high-yielding customers. I think that we might see BA A380s at JFK in the future.
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:56 am

Quoting TN486 (Reply 3):
Do you have a source for this statement?

Not to mention the logical absurdity that a SIN terminator would even be noticed by QF.

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):
The other 4 services will remain 747.

Bad move IMHO. They should use the 77W in conjunction with the 388 despite its smaller capacity, as the 744 have a substantially inferior product (in Y at least).
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:00 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7):
Bad move IMHO. They should use the 77W in conjunction with the 388 despite its smaller capacity, as the 744 have a substantially inferior product (in Y at least).

In Y and W definitely but in Club not so much. Upper deck on the 747 in J is still the most popular option for club apparently.
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:45 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):

I think that the lack of A380s to JFK can be explained by the fact that AA and BA are more focused on offering multiple schedules to their high-yielding customers. I think that we might see BA A380s at JFK in the future.

This doesn't make sense even in the future. AA/BA-OW market JFK-LHR-JFK as a high frequency schedule, almost shuttle like in the evenings from JFK. If they are going to operate A380s in the LHR-JFK-LHR market, an A380 can replace two departures basically, which would seem not what they want to do. They are going by frequency for their high yielding customer base who can change departures to an hour later or earlier by the way they have their schedules set up between the two.
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:53 am

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):
This is probably a further blow to QF's flights which seem to be struggling on the Kangaroo route.

 
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 6):
Not to mention the logical absurdity that a SIN terminator would even be noticed by QF.

  
QF will be unaffected by BA's change of equipment on LHR-SIN. BA's A380 will hopefully help BA compete with the vastly superior SQ product on SIN-LHR, which is flown with their newest product in all classes.

Quoting tonystan (Reply 7):
In Y and W definitely but in Club not so much. Upper deck on the 747 in J is still the most popular option for club apparently.

How about upper deck J on the A380? Would that product not rival the upper deck J on a 744?
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:56 am

Is Hong Kong still beig flown by BA A380's ?
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:38 am

Quoting TN486 (Reply 2):
Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 4):

Source? How about Amadeus where I can check the loads on these flights...the QF9/10 has loads as low as 80 pax MEL-DXB-LHR on average around 180 pax.
Not really viable is it?

DeltaB717 why is it absurd about the connection...the BA11/12 yes do terminate but in fact connect with BA's own BA15/16 service to Australia, not to mention QF's services to BNE and MEL which are still code-shared with BA.

Hope that answers your question.
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:39 am

and also SIN-PER on QF which is code-share with BA.
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:21 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 10):
Is Hong Kong still beig flown by BA A380's

Yes. A380 and 77W.

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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:11 am

BA will take delivery of a further 3 A380's before the start of the W14 schedule with a 8th aircraft due for delivery in late November 14. The start of W14 will see the A380 operating as follows:

BA011/BA012 - LHR/SIN/LHR - 3 x weekly (ex LHR deps days 2,4 & 6. ex SIN deps dates 3,5 & 7)
BA025/BA026 - LHR/HKG/LHR - Daily
BA055/BA056 - LHR/JNB/LHR - Daily
BA217/BA216 - LHR/IAD/LHR - Daily
BA269/BA268 - LHR/LAX/LHR - Daily
BA283/BA282 - LHR/LAX/LHR - 5 x weekly (x24)

Quoting Coal (Reply 13):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 10):
Is Hong Kong still beig flown by BA A380's

Yes. A380 and 77W.

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BA currently plan to operate a daily A380 and a daily 4 class 772ER (12F/48J/32W/127Y) to HKG during the W14 season. The 77W is currently not planned to be operating during this period. The 77W is showing as only operating as shown below for W14.

BA005/BA006 - LHR/NRT/LHR - Daily
BA015/BA016 - LHR/SIN/SYD/SIN/LHR - Daily
BA077/BA076 - LHR/LAD/LHR - 2 x weekly
BA195/BA194 - LHR/IAH/LHR - Daily
BA249/BA248 - LHR/GIG/LHR - Daily
BA283/BA282 - LHR/LAX/LHR - 2 x weekly
BA297/BA296 - LHR/ORD/LHR - Daily

I had heard that 1 of the 2 daily flights to SFO and the daily flight to PHX were to be operated by a 77W from the start of W14. The 77W is likely to be allocated to operate at least another two to three rotations a day for as BA only need around 7 77W's to operate the flights above.

Further changes to BA's 77W operation for W14 are highly likely over the coming months



BA will operate the 77W on the following flights during S14

BA005/BA006 - LHR/NRT/LHR - Daily
BA015/BA016 - LHR/SIN/SYD/SIN/LHR - Daily
BA027/BA028 - LHR/HKG/LHR - 5 x Weekly
BA049/BA048 - LHR/SEA/LHR - Daily ** begins 01JUN14 **
BA077/BA076 - LHR/LAD/LHR - 2 x Weekly
BA169/BA169 - LHR/PVG/LHR - 4 x Weekly
BA199/BA198 - LHR/BOM/LHR - Daily
BA207/BA206 - LHR/MIA/LHR - Daily ** begins 01AUG14 **
BA249/BA248 - LHR/GIG/LHR - Daily
BA297/BA296 - LHR/ORD/LHR - Daily


[Edited 2014-02-18 20:22:06]
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:11 am

BA now sent 380 and 77E to HKG before was 744 and 77W so basically the total of seat did not change much
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:12 am

Quoting cx828 (Reply 15):
BA now sent 380 and 77E to HKG before was 744 and 77W so basically the total of seat did not change much

I wouldn't say it didn't change much. Replacing the daily 747 and 77W with a A380 and 772ER will result in a additional 19J/13W/62Y seats each day (133J/224W/434Y each week). The change does however mean that BA will offer 2 less First seats per day (14 per week)
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:29 am

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Reply 11):
How about Amadeus where I can check the loads on these flights...the QF9/10 has loads as low as 80 pax MEL-DXB-LHR on average around 180 pax.
Not really viable is it?

1. LF doesn't say anything about yields.

2. Which sector's LF are you talking about? It's natural for DXB-LHR to be lower since many SYD and MEL passengers who aren't going to LHR would change at DXB to other destinations (the whole point of the alliance).

3. What do you think EK's average LF is? A hint, it's low 80s.

4. A 80 LF with the front of the plane mostly full and carrying some cargo is more than capable of being very profitable. This is not a LCC we are talking about.

But oh well, how is QF9/10's load factor is relevant to BA's LHR-SIN flight, I have no idea!
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:03 am

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 17):
1. LF doesn't say anything about yields.

2. Which sector's LF are you talking about? It's natural for DXB-LHR to be lower since many SYD and MEL passengers who aren't going to LHR would change at DXB to other destinations (the whole point of the alliance).

3. What do you think EK's average LF is? A hint, it's low 80s.

4. A 80 LF with the front of the plane mostly full and carrying some cargo is more than capable of being very profitable. This is not a LCC we are talking about.

But oh well, how is QF9/10's load factor is relevant to BA's LHR-SIN flight, I have no idea!

Thank you sir, I couldnt have put it any better myself.
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:38 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 9):
Quoting tonystan (Reply 7):
In Y and W definitely but in Club not so much. Upper deck on the 747 in J is still the most popular option for club apparently.

How about upper deck J on the A380? Would that product not rival the upper deck J on a 744?

- In a word no, far more seats, not really the cosy place JCL is on BA's 747 upper deck unfortunately.
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:08 am

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Reply 11):
Source? How about Amadeus where I can check the loads on these flights...the QF9/10 has loads as low as 80 pax MEL-DXB-LHR on average around 180 pax.
Not really viable is it?

I flew MEL-DXB-LHR in J 2 weeks ago.
MEL-DXB
F was full, J was about 80-85%, W had 4 free seats and the upper deck Y and rear lower deck Y cabin were full. ( I didn't walk any further forward through the cabin)
J was slightly more full on the DXB-LHR leg W was around the same and I didn't see F or Y
Obviously this tells me nothing of yields, but I would say that is a healthy load factor for this flight given the time of year.

As a side note, the inflight service was fantastic and the DXB transfer was a breeze.
A notch above my last experience in Club SYD-SIN-LHR

Will definitely be looking forward to trying the new upgraded BA12, those 747s are getting very tired for such a long flight. Especially in Y
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:16 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):
I think that the lack of A380s to JFK can be explained by the fact that AA and BA are more focused on offering multiple schedules to their high-yielding customers. I think that we might see BA A380s at JFK in the future.

That and the fact T7@JFK cannot handle a A380.
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:43 pm

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):

BA has confirmed it will operated its A380s thrice weekly to Singapore from 28OCT14. The other 4 services will remain 747.

Airlineroute.net reports the by Feb 2015 the A380 will be operating daily, and 747 service will cease. Both daily BA flights to SIN will therefore have the latest hard product by this time next year.

http://airlineroute.net/2014/02/19/ba-388-w14update1/
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:30 pm

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 3):
How exactly? BA isn't changing SYD to SIN, so that capacity remains the same. QF doesn't even operate SIN to LHR so how does this directly affect QF?

The local newspaper reported that one of the reasons for the upgrade is the improvement of the performance of LHR-SIN due to the pull out of QF. It did not say it exactly in those words: it was stated that "BA benefited from the decision to keep LHR-SIN unchanged in April last year" - which is when QF pulled out and re-routed over DBX and the code-share was removed.
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:13 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 8):
This doesn't make sense even in the future. AA/BA-OW market JFK-LHR-JFK as a high frequency schedule, almost shuttle like in the evenings from JFK. If they are going to operate A380s in the LHR-JFK-LHR market, an A380 can replace two departures basically, which would seem not what they want to do

I don't think one A380 can replace two 744s, and I don't think anyone was implying such.

BA/AA already offer 12 (or 13?) dailies on this route. You do realize that 7 out 8 daily BA flights LHR-JFK (or is it 8 out of 9?) are already on 744? Combined with AA 4 dailies, not sure if further frequency increase would be desperately desired. So further increase of capacity to benefit from yearly growth of 2 - 4% could be obtained by replacing one (or more) BA 744 flights with A380 - without penalizing desired frequencies.

I do agree that we won't see T7 handling the A380 though. But it would seem logical for BA to move to T8, and it should not be far-fetched to create A380 capacity at the east side of T8.

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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:28 pm

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 9):
How about upper deck J on the A380? Would that product not rival the upper deck J on a 744?

Its a small single aisle 20 seat cabin which is almost silent and with a generous crew to passenger ratio. It beats anything currently available on any other BA longhaul aircraft with the exception maybe of the LCY-JFK A318s!
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:37 pm

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 17):

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Reply 11):
How about Amadeus where I can check the loads on these flights...the QF9/10 has loads as low as 80 pax MEL-DXB-LHR on average around 180 pax.
Not really viable is it?

1. LF doesn't say anything about yields.

2. Which sector's LF are you talking about? It's natural for DXB-LHR to be lower since many SYD and MEL passengers who aren't going to LHR would change at DXB to other destinations (the whole point of the alliance).

3. What do you think EK's average LF is? A hint, it's low 80s.

4. A 80 LF with the front of the plane mostly full and carrying some cargo is more than capable of being very profitable. This is not a LCC we are talking about.

AlitaliaDC10 wasn't talking about Load Factors was he....says pax..?

Even if premium classes were full, I can't imagine 180 pax yields enough to make the flight profitable.
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:06 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 24):
BA/AA already offer 12 (or 13?) dailies on this route. You do realize that 7 out 8 daily BA flights LHR-JFK (or is it 8 out of 9?) are already on 744? Combined with AA 4 dailies, not sure if further frequency increase would be desperately desired. So further increase of capacity to benefit from yearly growth of 2 - 4% could be obtained by replacing one (or more) BA 744 flights with A380 - without penalizing desired frequencies.

  

Right now, 3 or 4 of the BA operated flights are on the B777-200 or -300. And those operated by the B744 are (the significant majority) the High J configuration. So basically, this is set up as a very premium heavy route (and AA are putting on more and more of their 77Ws on the route, reinforcing this further) with high frequency.

If they cared about marginally increasing capacity, they could do that easily by switching some of the B777s to High J B744s and High J B744s to mid-J 744s. But the basic fact is the A388 is not a premium heavy aircraft in BA's config (lower % of premium seats than, from memory the B772, 77W and High-J B744).

So putting the A388 on any current JFK rotation looks a relatively unattractive proposition. If there is a significant rump in demand at any point in the day, it *could* make sense. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:40 pm

Still no SFO. Come on BA. You have two 747s flying to SFO 3 hours behind each other. High time we see BA A380 in SFO.
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:10 pm

Quoting bharathkv (Reply 28):
Still no SFO. Come on BA. You have two 747s flying to SFO 3 hours behind each other. High time we see BA A380 in SFO.

I agree with you and hope that BA does this at some point (although I'm content to see at least one 747 continue to serve SFO for a while    ), but with this:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 14):
I had heard that 1 of the 2 daily flights to SFO ... were to be operated by a 77W from the start of W14.

...I'm worried that it may never happen. Hopefully the two aren't mutually exclusive...I'm really hoping that, one way or another, BA keeps 4-engine aircraft service to SFO!!
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:28 pm

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 27):
Right now, 3 or 4 of the BA operated flights are on the B777-200 or -300

You are quite right; todays flights:
BA117 08:25 744
BA175 09:55 744
BA113 11:30 777
BA177 13:05 777
BA173 14:20 777
BA115 16:15 777
BA179 18:00 777
BA183 20:00 744

Summer season, however, looks a little different (date checked: 19 Aug 2014):
BA117 08:30 744
BA175 09:55 744
BA173 11:20 744
BA177 13:10 777
BA115 14:35 744
BA113 15:55 744
BA179 18:05 744
BA181 19:00 777
BA183 20:05 744

7 out of 9. Last summer I counted 8 out of 9.

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 27):
If they cared about marginally increasing capacity, they could do that easily by switching some of the B777s to High J B744s and High J B744s to mid-J 744s. But the basic fact is the A388 is not a premium heavy aircraft in BA's config

  
Maybe not premium heavy by percentage of total seats on board, BUT:
each BA A380 hold more F seats than any other type in BA's fleet . . .
each BA A380 hold more J seats than any other type in BA's fleet . . .

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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:01 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 24):

I do agree that we won't see T7 handling the A380 though. But it would seem logical for BA to move to T8, and it should not be far-fetched to create A380 capacity at the east side of T8.

It will take a lot for BA to move to T8. After all they are the owners of T7, or one of the main owners.
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:30 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 30):
each BA A380 hold more F seats than any other type in BA's fleet . . .

Incorrect. BA A380s have 14F; which is the same as the 744s, the 773s and most of the 772s. However there is a small number of 772s with 17F.
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:21 pm

Does this put an end to the rumours of the BA 11/12 getting extended to Jakarta then?
 
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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:47 pm

Quoting RTFM (Reply 32):
Incorrect. BA A380s have 14F; which is the same as the 744s, the 773s and most of the 772s. However there is a small number of 772s with 17F.

According to their own seat maps, they all have 14F seats. I used the wrong words, meant to say that no other BA planes have more F than their A380 . . .
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/seatfirst/public/en_nl
In any case, it doesn't really change the point I was (trying) to make in the first place. But thanks anyway for setting the record straight for me.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 31):
It will take a lot for BA to move to T8. After all they are the owners of T7, or one of the main owners.

I don't disagree. However considering that BA and AA will be operating as one airline over the Atlantic, BA swapping the 45 year old T7 for the modern T8 seems only to be a matter of time.

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RE: BA A380s To Singapore

Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:08 am

Here is a seat map for a 777-200 with 17F seats:

http://thebasource.com/seatmaps/b777-200/17f48j24w127y.html

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