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Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:29 am

Here is the official announcement:

http://www.emirates.com/us/english/a...tail.aspx?article=1566874&offset=0

Begins 05 August on a 77L.

Morning departure from Dubai, evening arrival back into Dubai thereby offering a schedule similar to the majority of EK USA flights.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:32 am

that's time to connect with the night departures from DXB to India for sure. Its gonna be a three way tussel in ORD now..
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:35 am

The schedule is as follows:

Daily B777-200LR

EK 235 Dep DXB 0945 Arr ORD 1525
EK 236 Dep ORD 2035 Arr DXB 1910+1

Obviously the main target markets will be Indian Subcontinent + O&D to DXB itself.

In addition to the above, what should help EK further increase its India bound market share from the U.S. is that "Dubai" is expected to receive an additional 20% bilateral capacity increase to India i.e. 10,800 weekly seats soon.

http://www.business-standard.com/art...nts-from-dubai-114022300254_1.html

[Edited 2014-02-23 23:51:34]

[Edited 2014-02-23 23:52:39]
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:36 am

Right, but EK attract a wider range of passengers than that, and DXB is a strong origin-destination itself.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:45 am

It was only a matter of time. Good to see a big hole in EK's network now being filled
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:52 am

No more threads wondering why EK does not serve ORD or when EK is starting ORD  
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:56 am

No worries! There will still be threads asking when EK is starting MIA.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:06 am

Nice to see this finally happen, though I am surprised that BOS came before ORD.

Quoting upwardfacing (Reply 6):
There will still be threads asking when EK is starting MIA.

  
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:08 am

How long before the 77L becomes an A380?
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:13 am

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 8):
How long before the 77L becomes an A380?

I'm not sure if that is a serious question or not, but I'll answer it anyway. The 77L will probably become a 77W around the 12 month mark, with the potential for A380 service after maybe 5 years.
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:08 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
I'm not sure if that is a serious question or not

There's always the "token expansion plan" question in every thread.
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:35 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
I'm not sure if that is a serious question or not, but I'll answer it anyway. The 77L will probably become a 77W around the 12 month mark, with the potential for A380 service after maybe 5 years.

There is no need for that as ORD is 'one of those' routes that could be launched from day 1 even with an A380 by EK and still see at least 70% S/F as the demand is there from its vast network. EK will have no problem upgrading from a daily B77L to a daily A380 whenever it pleases.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:41 am

Quoting upwardfacing (Reply 6):
No worries! There will still be threads asking when EK is starting MIA.

And threads with titles like, "EK!! OMG!!! TAKING OVER THE WORLD!!!"  
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:46 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 11):
EK will have no problem upgrading from a daily B77L to a daily A380 whenever it pleases.

We obviously, they weren't going to ask my permission. But it follows a general pattern of expansion in other markets and is my 'best guess'.
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:24 pm

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 1):

that's time to connect with the night departures from DXB to India for sure. Its gonna be a three way tussel in ORD now..

Your forgot AI - state supported competition (just ask AA) though EK will still win.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):

Nice to see this finally happen, though I am surprised that BOS came before ORD.

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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:50 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
Nice to see this finally happen, though I am surprised that BOS came before ORD.

It may be that EK saw other airlines interested in Boston and needed to secure a gate before any of the others did, whereas at ORD securing a gate wouldn't be as much of a problem. It also might explain why Emirates decided to come to Boston before Turkish did, even though Turkish announced Boston months beforehand.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:03 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 15):
It may be that EK saw other airlines interested in Boston and needed to secure a gate before any of the others did, whereas at ORD securing a gate wouldn't be as much of a problem.

It was market competition at ORD and gate availability. The 1525 was not the preferred time EK wanted.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:15 pm

Wonderful news! EK took their time, but finally they will be at the Windy City! And not to go into repeating the other thread from last week, but I can eventually see EK getting to MIA, EWR, PHL and ATL. I doubt further expansion would be necessary after this point. Also with the rumored increase in seats to India, we will see A380s there as well as possible new routes such as GOI, Amritsar, Jaipur, Coimbatore or Lucknow.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:28 pm

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 8):

With more than a dozen A380 coming in 12 months ,, expect the whale jet to land there soon
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:09 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 16):
The 1525 was not the preferred time EK wanted.

How do you know that? If not 1525, what was their preferred timing?
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:12 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 16):
It was market competition at ORD and gate availability. The 1525 was not the preferred time EK wanted.

What was the preferred time?? Because 1525 is still a very busy time at T5 with limited gate availability the congestion doesn't start to ease till at least 17:00. So if EK didn't want 15:25 as you suggested what time slot did they want because I think it is a great but busy time slot with lots of arrivals. By the time their customers make it through customs and immigration it should be around 16:30 on a good day on a bad day perhaps 17:00 that still leaves EK customers plenty options when it comes to connecting flights on either AA or UA.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:25 pm

Quoting CO58 (Reply 19):

1445....

Zero gate availability then. The closest was 1525.

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 18):
With more than a dozen A380 coming in 12 months ,, expect the whale jet to land there soon

Not at least for a year. I don't believe the airlines and city have come to an agreement to reconfigure T5 to handle one.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:30 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 21):
Not at least for a year. I don't believe the airlines and city have come to an agreement to reconfigure T5 to handle one.

OK - let's put it this way.

As soon as ORD allows regular scheduled A380s ... EK will be there!

  
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:43 pm

Amazing that EK is still introducing routes with angled flat 2-3-2 business class
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:54 pm

So who looses? (someone will).My guess is BA who would schedule these people to India via Heathrow. Thing is EK offer more Indian destinations. But there again.BA is a good airline.Hmmm, if the BA speculation is correct this could be an interesting fight.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:55 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 23):
Amazing that EK is still introducing routes with angled flat 2-3-2 business class

The EK 77Ls all have flat-bed Business Class seating.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:56 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 23):
Amazing that EK is still introducing routes with angled flat 2-3-2 business class

And they will fill. If EK can undercut AI on the price of a JCL ticket to fly XXX-DXB-XXX in SE Asia, eliminating a stopover in DEL or BOM, then people will come in hoards.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:14 pm

Quoting upwardfacing (Reply 6):
No worries! There will still be threads asking when EK is starting MIA.

LOL, I was thinking abouth the same thing!!! MIA will probably be the next discussion 
Quoting behramjee (Reply 11):
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
I'm not sure if that is a serious question or not, but I'll answer it anyway. The 77L will probably become a 77W around the 12 month mark, with the potential for A380 service after maybe 5 years.

There is no need for that as ORD is 'one of those' routes that could be launched from day 1 even with an A380 by EK and still see at least 70% S/F as the demand is there from its vast network. EK will have no problem upgrading from a daily B77L to a daily A380 whenever it pleases.

Yes, I can also see EK going for the A380 in the not too distant future. I was surprised when EK switched from the 777 to the A380 so soon when they started the AMS route. I expected that route to remain a 777 route but they switched it and apparently are still doing great on the route, even with the second daily 777 flight now.

In any case, good luck to EK and ORD 

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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:31 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 23):
Amazing that EK is still introducing routes with angled flat 2-3-2 business class

I didn't notice it was angled when I flew them SFO-DXB... when I landed in DXB I was ready to hit the town!
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:32 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 18):
With more than a dozen A380 coming in 12 months ,, expect the whale jet to land there soon
Quoting A388 (Reply 27):
Yes, I can also see EK going for the A380 in the not too distant future.

ORD is not A380 ready.

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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:35 pm

Quoting irishayes (Reply 26):
And they will fill. If EK can undercut AI on the price of a JCL ticket to fly XXX-DXB-XXX in SE Asia, eliminating a stopover in DEL or BOM, then people will come in hoards.

I don't think Southeast Asia will be a huge market for EK to/from ORD, though BKK and KUL connections should work.

Quoting Malayil (Reply 17):
Wonderful news! EK took their time, but finally they will be at the Windy City! And not to go into repeating the other thread from last week, but I can eventually see EK getting to MIA, EWR, PHL and ATL.

+DTW

Of course, the MIA threads will continue here while EK may put others ahead in the queue.

There are also rumours of Canadian expansion (3x weekly each to YVR + YYC) on another, unnamed aviation site, where it is mentioned that the current government in Ottawa actually thinks it can win votes in the next national election by offering a few landing rights here and there!
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:08 pm

Also one thing to note is that I found CX to be very expensive on ORD-India routes. Etihad and Qatar were also pretty expensive. With EK coming into the picture probably we can expect cheaper fares.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:13 pm

Quoting upwardfacing (Reply 30):
There are also rumours of Canadian expansion (3x weekly each to YVR + YYC) on another, unnamed aviation site, where it is mentioned that the current government in Ottawa actually thinks it can win votes in the next national election by offering a few landing rights here and there!

Is that the total for UAE or just for EK. It would be funny to see EK and EY split them again.

But it would be interesting to see the financials work out. YYC is still a 7100mi flight to a city/metro of only 1.2mil people (2.3mil if you really wanna stretch the definition and include Edmonton)
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:19 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 25):
Quoting a380787 (Reply 23):
Amazing that EK is still introducing routes with angled flat 2-3-2 business class

The EK 77Ls all have flat-bed Business Class seating.

I think the entire 777 fleet has the angle-flat seating, so you get the equivalent of a full bed but it's not completely horizontal. Perhaps someone who flies EK more regularly would have more info.

The article also says
"Chicago is also a significant convention hub, and home to many of the US’s largest companies including Boeing,
which is a very important supplier partner of Emirates. "

But only the corporate offices are there, right? So it shouldn't affect the cargo demand the way Seattle does.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:50 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 14):
Your forgot AI - state supported competition (just ask AA) though EK will still win.

See, the problem is, if you ask the rest of the world (especially the European carriers and American carriers) they will say EK is state supported competition. If you ask EK, they will tell you that the rest of the folks are state supported competition. Read pages 5 & 6 of - http://www.emirates.com/english/imag...20position%20new_tcm233-845771.pdf for the finger pointing by most players.

Apart from all the finger pointing about state supported competition, EK will win because it seems to be a better run airline that is supported by a better run visionary state leadership. Since you mentioned AI; the reason AI will go nowhere is because both the airline as well as the govt are not run as well as EK and it's sponsors.

To me, the true version of capitalism at work with state sponsorship at a minimum level of interference where airlines literally have to perform or die can be found here at home in the USA - Jet Blue & South West etc to name a couple that have beaten all odds and doing well versus let's say PanAm that could not get it's act together and went bust.

[Edited 2014-02-24 11:52:58]
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:15 pm

Quoting parapente (Reply 24):
So who looses? (someone will). My guess is BA

LH is another airline being impacted, they are connecting large numbers of US-India passengers via FRA
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:30 pm

Quoting irishayes (Reply 26):
And they will fill. If EK can undercut AI on the price of a JCL ticket to fly XXX-DXB-XXX in SE Asia, eliminating a stopover in DEL or BOM, then people will come in hoards.

Can EK actually undercut AI and still make a profit on the flight? This may seen like a unfair question who costs are lower AI or EK? I believe AI is still receiving money from the Indian government while EK has to stand on its own.
So with that being said IF I'm not mistaken AI is still the cheapest option for customers to choose from between EY, QR, and TK and a price war with AI will not benefit EK at all. From reading A.netters and from talking to people that I know I believe EK will do just fine on this route because of their reputation. And with the reputation that EK has customers have no issue with paying whatever price EK will charge because they know the type of service they will receive. The Chicagoland area has a lot of people living in it from the Indian sub-continent region there is more than enough space at the table for EK and there is more than enough demand here in the Chicagoland and surrounding areas to support EK's flights that they should not feel the need to have to undercut AI on the price of a ticket. Trust me there are a lot of people in Chicago and the surrounding areas who are excited about EK's arrival.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:39 pm

Quoting parapente (Reply 24):
So who looses? (someone will).My guess is BA who would schedule these people to India via Heathrow.
BA,LH,AF [most to lose]
UA,AA [would lose those passengers who they could have carried till their respective partner hubs at FRA & LHR. Obviously the UA non stops would not be affected that much unless the EK prices are so much cheaper that passengers will opt for the 1 stop instead of the UA non stops].

Once EK brings on the A380 at either end of the spoke(s) out of DXB on a massive scale then BA,LH and AF have a real problem on their hands  . Interesting to see what their strategy will be to counter EK.

[Edited 2014-02-24 12:42:42]

[Edited 2014-02-24 12:59:21]
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:50 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 27):
LOL, I was thinking abouth the same thing!!! MIA will probably be the next discussion

As it should be.   

Quoting upwardfacing (Reply 30):
There are also rumours of Canadian expansion (3x weekly each to YVR + YYC) on another, unnamed aviation site, where it is mentioned that the current government in Ottawa actually thinks it can win votes in the next national election by offering a few landing rights here and there!

That would surprise me. EK would jump on the rights, but politically, I wonder how it could be done?   

Quoting AT (Reply 33):
"Chicago is also a significant convention hub

I'm amazed. Chicago is back at #2. Did Las Vegas collapse, or did Chicago do something *really* right? (Chicago was #5 in 2012).

From: http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...ions-for-meeting-planners/2681695/



Top 50 U.S. cities for conventions in 2013

1. Orlando
2. Chicago
3. Las Vegas
4. Atlanta
5. San Diego
6. New York
7. Washington
8. Dallas
9. Miami
10. Phoenix
11. San Francisco
12. New Orleans
13. Denver
14. Nashville
15. Scottsdale, Ariz.

(more in link)
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:54 pm

Good news for ORD. I was expecting EK to start service in ORD back in 08 and 09. I will not be surprised to see EK change this route to A380.

Next for EK in the US is EWR, PHL, DTW and ATL. I fly to DXB four or five times a year. I lived in South Florida for three years in the past decade. I believe EK will fail in MIA. South Florida does not have a large South Asian community. An East African community hardly exist in South Florida. There is no business ties between UAE and South Florida.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:00 pm

Interesting and caught me off guard. My usually very reliable sources in DXB didn't indicate an ORD announcement was imminent when I asked last week. I guess the EK folks are being much more tight-lipped that they used to be (dammit).
Seems no one spilled the beans this time.

The fact they are are coming to ORD even though EY, QR and TK (among others) are already established tells me they probably aren't going to shy away from ATL just because DL had ATL/DXB non-stop service. I ave to believe ATL is on their radar.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:25 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 37):
BA,LH,AF [most to lose]
UA,AA [would lose those passengers who they could have carried till their respective partner hubs at FRA & LHR. Obviously the UA non stops would not be affected that much unless the EK prices are so much cheaper that passengers will opt for the 1 stop instead of the UA non stops].

Once EK brings on the A380 at either end of the spoke(s) out of DXB on a massive scale then BA,LH and AF have a real problem on their hands . Interesting to see what their strategy will be to counter EK.

How much do they have to lose with a route like this? How much traffic is BA, LH & AF really funneling from the US to India or the Gulf? Is the India traffic high yielding? I always learned on A-Net that traffic to India is low-yield hence the reason why there are so few flights on US carriers to India. I would be curious to see how much of the US-Europe traffic being carried by the US and European airlines is ending up east of Jordan. There are limits to how much of the world EK, EY and QR can take over. For Americans, the Gulf isn't on the way to Europe, Australia, South America, Far East Asia, Southeast Asia, Western and Southern Africa...

Also, Chicago business travelers are for the most part loyal to either AA or UA. The AA folks will use QR. The UA folks will stick with UA or other *Alliance partners. My wife flies to the Gulf twice a year but always flies UA through IAD or LH through FRA because the miles she earns on those trips give her much of her status that makes the rest of her domestic travel that much better more tolerable. Although it would be nice to fly ORD-Gulf non-stop and probably is an improved product, she doesn't want to give up getting those miles. I know she isn't alone.

Regardless, congratulations to ORD! Great to see such a diverse international representation for a non-coastal American city.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:00 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 38):

LAS got a ton of negative press over the last few years as an example of corporate and government excess (overly expensive conventions with inflated catering prices, fancy suites and nonstop gambling). Several conferences myself or my company regularly attend relocated away from LAS due to image.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:23 pm

Quoting DXBDFWHGA (Reply 39):
I believe EK will fail in MIA. South Florida does not have a large South Asian community. An East African community hardly exist in South Florida. There is no business ties between UAE and South Florida.

LOL! You must've not lived in South Florida long enough then.

MIA to fail? Really? I doubt any route to DXB will fail. And trust me, MIA and EWR are next!
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:24 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 41):
I always learned on A-Net that traffic to India is low-yield hence the reason why there are so few flights on US carriers to India.

If that was the case then why would airline CEOs say that India is a key market in their growth strategy and why would they want a piece of the action and rush there? A businessman would not bother if he was not seeing profits; definitely would not stick around if there were losses.


http://www.airlinetrends.com/2011/10...nsa-britishairways-emirates-india/
".. since the subcontinent is the second largest market for both British Airways (50 weekly flights to 5 destinations in India) and Lufthansa (52 weekly flights to 7 destinations), after the United States."

http://gulfbusiness.com/2013/11/king...ames-hogan-interview/#.UwvBqfldWZY
"India is an extraordinary market. The population is 1.2 billion. The country’s middle class is not only growing, but growing more affluent. And the number of Indians travelling by air is increasing rapidly. Last year, around 42 million people travelled by air in India. By 2016, the International Air Transport Association expects this number to more than double."

"India is a key market of the future for Etihad Airways – but not just for services to and from the country."

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...boost-for-sia---and-airasia-129471
" Australia, India and China are SIA’s key markets and of strategic interest to the group as it increases focus on the fast-growing Asia-Pacific region. "
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:49 pm

Some analysis on the new route. Speculation that Emirates will probably keep US growth limited to 2-3 cities in 2014 (including Boston and Chicago as already announced) and possibility of up-gauging existing routes and/or venturing more into the 5th freedom space a la JFK-MXP.

http://upgrd.com/aerospace/emirates-...-as-next-north-american-route.html
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:58 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 43):
LOL! You must've not lived in South Florida long enough then.

I have spent tons of time there and familiarized myself with the stats, and the South Asian community in South Florida is small. The Asian community is also very small there.
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:03 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 46):
I have spent tons of time there and familiarized myself with the stats, and the South Asian community in South Florida is small. The Asian community is also very small there.

Pretty sure that's why QR launched MIA 4x weekly so it can let the market grow/mature. Wouldn't you agree?
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:11 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 43):
I doubt any route to DXB will fail

Well they won't "fail" in the sense they're filling the planes. Whether it's profitable or not I really don't know (they're not publicly traded, so who knows what numbers they're publishing)

During southern summer I've been quoted JFK-DXB-MEL for like $1600 when everyone else is asking for $2100 or more. That's a ridiculously low 5.7cpm (and that's total fare inc taxes). QF+AA is asking for a far more reasonable (in profit perspective) 10.1cpm.

I see them as price undercutting competitors at all costs.
 
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RE: Official: Emirates To ORD

Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:21 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 44):
If that was the case then why would airline CEOs say that India is a key market in their growth strategy and why would they want a piece of the action and rush there? A businessman would not bother if he was not seeing profits; definitely would not stick around if there were losses.

Those comments refer to India in general vs India-USA specifically.

Don't forget that for Emirates, India is a contributor to virtually their entire network, including Dubai itself. It is not just a USA story.

In any case, businesses are hardly "rushing"; the foreign and even domestic investment stats speak for themselves. At the moment, the economy there is growing rather slowly and there is some political uncertainty along with governance deficits and infrastructural impediments. However from a longer-term viewpoint the country looks more interesting, and both domestic and international traffic continue to grow.

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