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BA 747 (G-BNLL) In JNB A Write-Off

Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:45 pm

According to Jethros the BA 747 involved in the JNB incident (G-BNLL) has been declared a write off.

http://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/ba_boeing_b747srs.htm
 
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:56 pm

That doesn't surprise me. To be honest, best possible outcome for BA in terms of £££. One less of those awful World Traveller cabins in the sky [ducks].
 
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:58 pm

Sad to see it go and ATDB.aero confirms it is done but with over 109,000 on her frame
 
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:01 pm

Not surprised, but still sad to hear...may she rest in peace.
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:04 pm

Any photos of her since the accident?
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:55 pm

Sad to see her go.


Is there any final report on this incident? What happened to the flight crew?
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:06 pm

Hardly surprising, I imagine as one of the older 747s in the fleet she'd be due for retirement in the next year or two anyway, they probably just opted to keep another bird flying a little longer.

Anyone have any idea when she was due to be retired before the incident occurred?
 
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:21 pm

Quoting eljas (Reply 6):

Well considering that the aircraft just had a C or D check in CWL last Aug/Sept, I would imagine she would have flown for another 5-6 years.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:13 am

BNLE was due to be withdrawn this month, and BNLT due to be removed in April. Wonder if it will be one of these that's kept around to make up for BNLL?

Source: http://www.thebasource.com/british-a...nd-b767-300er-withdrawal-schedule/
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:02 am

What a sad ending for this bird... Confirmed by planespotters.net:

BA 747 (G-BNLL) A Write-Off


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Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:47 am

Quoting aamd11 (Reply 8):

My source tells me that it will be G-BNLE which will remain flying, after presumably having a C or D check, assuming that one of these is due. Normally aircraft this old are retired when a major maintenance check is due.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:25 am

On the another pilot forum, some there have stated that it has a damaged wing spar.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:57 am

If I recall correctly from other forums when BA retire their aircraft they often go via CWL to have some of their goodies, especially first class cabin fitments, removed before heading off say to VCV. When this aircraft is scrapped will they have the same opportunity to strip out the plane first, or will it be scrapped in JNB in its entirety?
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:00 am

I would imagine that a lot of the interior could be stripped out in JNB and shipped home.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:04 am

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 12):
If I recall correctly from other forums when BA retire their aircraft they often go via CWL to have some of their goodies, especially first class cabin fitments, removed before heading off say to VCV. When this aircraft is scrapped will they have the same opportunity to strip out the plane first, or will it be scrapped in JNB in its entirety?

As BNLL was only 6 weeks out of a D check it is likely that all the seating has been recently refurbished, with F and Clubworld being unique to BA and the upholstery on the remiander being in BA colours the only place where they will have any value is the BA stores at CWL. Its in the interests of both BA and the insurers to reclaim them. In any event they will need to be stripped out before the hull is recycled.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:19 am

What is the short term plan for retirements in the 747 fleet? Are the new 77W's picking up the slack?
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:40 am

Quoting bevisisback (Reply 15):
What is the short term plan for retirements in the 747 fleet? Are the new 77W's picking up the slack?

And the A380 of course! They are replacing the 744 on key routes like HKG, LAX, IAD, JNB and SIN.
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:07 am

Any news om what happened with those Pilots? in case I have missed it. Any action against them?

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Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:41 pm

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 17):
Any news om what happened with those Pilots? in case I have missed it. Any action against them?

Haven't heard anything but it's very unlikely they were severely disciplined. Probably some training on CRM and attention keeping during taxi and then back on the line...
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:30 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 14):
As BNLL was only 6 weeks out of a D check it is likely that all the seating has been recently refurbished, with F and Clubworld being unique to BA and the upholstery on the remiander being in BA colours the only place where they will have any value is the BA stores at CWL. Its in the interests of both BA and the insurers to reclaim them. In any event they will need to be stripped out before the hull is recycled.

Don't forget it is an "Old" First aircraft - not sure they would bother to recover a load of heavy F seats all that way when they are clearly going to be junked. On the other hand, if they get their skates on, they could install the J-class seats in G-STBJ when it arrives in Cardiff in a few weeks time - or failing that STBK and STBL are due this summer iirc.

On another note, how tight has the B744 fleet been since this incident? I noticed when a B744 had to sub for an A380 last week the original B744 flight was cancelled - but I guess that could have been due to lack of available crew rather than aircraft. Would there be potential to work the rest of the long haul fleet a bit harder and stick to the original disposal schedule?
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:24 pm

Out of curiosity, just what do the South Africans do with the corpse?
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:15 pm

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 18):
Haven't heard anything but it's very unlikely they were severely disciplined. Probably some training on CRM and attention keeping during taxi and then back on the line...

I find it kind of hard to believe a crew can turn down a wrong taxiway, smash the wing of their 747 through a building, damage the plane (old or not) to where its written off ... and not face harsh punishment ! I mean "just some training on attention keeping and then back on the line ... really?"

This isn't like some 18 yr old working at McDonalds who gives a customer the wrong order ... this is kinda big.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:31 pm

Quoting newhaven (Reply 21):
I find it kind of hard to believe a crew can turn down a wrong taxiway, smash the wing of their 747 through a building, damage the plane (old or not) to where its written off ... and not face harsh punishment ! I mean "just some training on attention keeping and then back on the line ... really?"


I don't think one can judge without having all the elements of the investigation in hand. Airline pilots may make mistakes, the causes of which are not always entirely their fault (if at all), but they are also highly skilled workers and are not disposable like you throw away a McDonald's paper plate....

Quoting newhaven (Reply 21):
This isn't like some 18 yr old working at McDonalds who gives a customer the wrong order ... this is kinda big.

... errr, sorry, like you throw away a McD's employee. (not that I agree with the practice either).
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:10 pm

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 19):
Don't forget it is an "Old" First aircraft - not sure they would bother to recover a load of heavy F seats all that way when they are clearly going to be junked. On the other hand, if they get their skates on, they could install the J-class seats in G-STBJ when it arrives in Cardiff in a few weeks time - or failing that STBK and STBL are due this summer iirc.

Bear in mind the minimal cost of unbolting the seats, packing them in shipping containers and sending them by sea back to the UK compared to the value in the IFE systems, seat motors etc. They can probably get the lot back to CWL for the original cost of one or two F class seats. If only for spares its worth doing especially as BA intends to operate their newer 744's for quite a few years yet.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:19 pm

Don't forget that the insurance company has a say in what British Airways can remove from the aircraft. Anything of value the insurance company will salvage for possible sale, unless it is uniquely used by British Airways.
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:07 pm

Quoting newhaven (Reply 21):
I find it kind of hard to believe a crew can turn down a wrong taxiway, smash the wing of their 747 through a building, damage the plane (old or not) to where its written off ... and not face harsh punishment ! I mean "just some training on attention keeping and then back on the line ... really?"

While I have no info on what happened on the flight deck that night, I can say something with certainty. The problem was not that they turned on the wrong taxiway, but that they didn't turn at all. As for harsh punishment, do you want to see them fired? It's not that big of a deal. If you hire a driver for your brand new luxury car and he scratches it during parking, are you immediately going to fire him? It can happen to anyone.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:26 pm

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 24):
Don't forget that the insurance company has a say in what British Airways can remove from the aircraft. Anything of value the insurance company will salvage for possible sale, unless it is uniquely used by British Airways.

I believe that both the items under discussion - the current BA 'J' Class seats and the previous generation of 'F' Class seats are both unique to BA. And both are in current use on other BA frames. Indeed the earlier references to three yet-to-be-delivered 77Ws is because so far Boeing has delivered all BA's 77Ws without seats in the 'F' and 'J' Class cabin. This is because BA have the necessary refurbished, quite young seats that they have removed from retired 744s.
I do not think that the 'W' and 'Y' seats fall into the same category. But I think they are likely to have a greater value to BA than to other airlines as they are fitted with an AVOD system used by BA.

The cloth covering of 'LL's seats is probably irrelevant as it will be replaced before any seat is reinstalled in another BA frame.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:35 pm

So now BA gets a nice insurance payment for a written off airplane that they were about to withdraw from service at a loss? They should give those pilots a medal or a small percentage of the payout.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:39 pm

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 19):

Well, judging the way BA always seem to have at least 5 or 6 parked up resting at a time round the maintenenace areas I'd say the fleet is very stretched at all.
 
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RE: BA 747 (G-BNLL) In JNB A Write-Off

Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:43 pm

Quoting DAL763ER (Reply 25):
It's not that big of a deal.

THE PLANE ENDED UP IN A BUILDING!
(yes, I am yelling)

Some's perception of "not a big deal" is rather skewed!

No one is saying they should be fired, but it's odd how people write things off here as minuscule when they really aren't
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:59 pm

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 29):
THE PLANE ENDED UP IN A BUILDING!(yes, I am yelling)Some's perception of "not a big deal" is rather skewed!No one is saying they should be fired, but it's odd how people write things off here as minuscule when they really aren't

I have said nothing on this issue, but have been involved in safety and have taught in aircraft up to and including the 744. Before you pass judgment, let me ask you these two questions:

1. Do you have any knowledge of what actually happened on the flight deck that night? If you do, please share it.

2. How much time do you have operating a 744 and specifically taxiing it? I actually DO have experience in that area, and am willing to allow investigators and officials with actual knowledge of these operations and this incident make decisions relevant to the case.

I didn't see anyone say this was "miniscule," but neither do I see anyone with actual pertinent operational knowledge "yelling."

If you ever get to taxi a 744 you may find it's not as easy as we make it look. That's especially true at night with poorly designed and marked intersections being a factor.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:13 pm

Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 27):






So now BA gets a nice insurance payment for a written off airplane that they were about to withdraw from service at a loss? They should give those pilots a medal or a small percentage of the payout.

BNLL had a D check 6 weeks before the accident, the plan was for it to continue in service for quite some time. Another frame will now have to take its place. Potentially that may involve another expensive D check.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:30 pm

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 30):

I don't need to have knowledge of the situation to say that the plane ended up in the building because the pictures speak for themselves...??????

That said, I'm not arguing anything firing related so did you even bother to read my post before getting on the pedestal?
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:39 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 23):
Bear in mind the minimal cost of unbolting the seats, packing them in shipping containers and sending them by sea back to the UK compared to the value in the IFE systems, seat motors etc. They can probably get the lot back to CWL for the original cost of one or two F class seats.

Just load up a 747 just out of maint which is due for a refit with cargo. Fly it down to JNB, sans pax, and transfer the seats and IFEs down there.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:01 pm

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Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:24 pm

Insurers will usually pay off the agreed value of the aircraft to the insured if the cost of repair/replacement is greater than 70% of the value of the aircraft. I believe BA got - rather quickly- the value of the aircraft declared in the policy and insurers will keep the aircraft as 'salvage' and sell the parts in closed bids tender basis.
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:46 pm

Quoting RJAF (Reply 35):

Insurers will usually pay off the agreed value of the aircraft to the insured if the cost of repair/replacement is greater than 70% of the value of the aircraft. I believe BA got - rather quickly- the value of the aircraft declared in the policy and insurers will keep the aircraft as 'salvage' and sell the parts in closed bids tender basis.

Also, the cost of repairing the wing would most likely have involved extra reinforcement to carry the fix. This would mean additional fuel costs, which would also be payable by the insurance to compensate for the costs incurred in continuing service after the repair.

It is obviously far more prudent just to part the poor bugger out.
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:52 pm

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 29):
THE PLANE ENDED UP IN A BUILDING!
(yes, I am yelling)

Some's perception of "not a big deal" is rather skewed!

No one is saying they should be fired, but it's odd how people write things off here as minuscule when they really aren't

...and the way SO many people on this site will never admit that a pilot may have actually been at fault for something.

Even if that building that got sliced into had been open at the time of this "not such a big deal" of an incident, and someone were sitting at their desk having been decapitated when that plane hit, these same people would still be defending the crew of this plane .. saying ridiculous things like:

Quoting DAL763ER (Reply 25):
It's not that big of a deal. If you hire a driver for your brand new luxury car and he scratches it during parking, are you immediately going to fire him? It can happen to anyone.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:00 pm

Quoting newhaven (Reply 21):
I find it kind of hard to believe a crew can turn down a wrong taxiway, smash the wing of their 747 through a building, damage the plane (old or not) to where its written off ... and not face harsh punishment !

Well they didn't turn, that was the issue. But what would be the point in harsh punishment? Perfectly competent pilots can and do screw up every now and then, so the best course of action is to make sure that they are competent (ie training and sim checks) and then get them back to work... They are highly skilled professionals who cost the airline a lot of money, and would cost the airline a lot more to replace. Also bear in mind that this crew is probably the least likely in BA to make a future taxiing error... Whoever was taxiing that plane is going to be very careful in the future...

Quoting newhaven (Reply 21):
This isn't like some 18 yr old working at McDonalds who gives a customer the wrong order ... this is kinda big.

No, it's nothing like that. The fact that it's nothing like that is actually why severe punishment wouldn't be appropriate.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 32):
I don't need to have knowledge of the situation to say that the plane ended up in the building because the pictures speak for themselves...??????

Nobody questioned that... the point is you don't know what actually happened on the flightdeck... what factors culminated in their failure to make the turn... obviously if they were sitting in the cockpit playing angry birds on their phones while the plane ploughed through the building (and, I can say with some certainty, they weren't) then clearly they shouldn't be in the flightdeck of a plane and termination would probably be the result. If, however, they were acting professionally (which, in all likelihood, they were - they are airline pilots after all and BA pilots at that) and made a genuine error (which any human is capable of) then punishment really doesn't help anything... You should assure their competence, of course, and give them extra training to stop them doing it again but anything more would be counter productive...
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:26 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 14):
Its in the interests of both BA and the insurers to reclaim them. In any event they will need to be stripped out before the hull is recycled.
Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 24):
Don't forget that the insurance company has a say in what British Airways can remove from the aircraft. Anything of value the insurance company will salvage for possible sale, unless it is uniquely used by British Airways.
There is no free lunch.

Although I work on insurance, this is a whole different animal to what I do. Still, It does sound to me like a nice business all around for the insurance company. Sure, they give a payout to BA, but then who is going to purchase all those nice components that are intact inside the aircraft? The entire IFE, the F and J seats, etc?

Interesting case.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:28 pm

Right on cue .... just as I said.

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 38):
Nobody questioned that... the point is you don't know what actually happened on the flightdeck... what factors culminated in their failure to make the turn... obviously if they were sitting in the cockpit playing angry birds on their phones while the plane ploughed through the building (and, I can say with some certainty, they weren't) then clearly they shouldn't be in the flightdeck of a plane and termination would probably be the result.

.. and you are proving my point further here .. were YOU on that flight deck? How do you know what was (or wasn't) going on at the time of this mistake? How can you say anything "with certainty" about what that crew was doing ?

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 38):
If, however, they were acting professionally (which, in all likelihood, they were - they are airline pilots after all and BA pilots at that

What?

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 38):
No, it's nothing like that. The fact that it's nothing like that is actually why severe punishment wouldn't be appropriate.

What?
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:31 pm

The flight crew now has, at least, a lot of egg on their face   

Quoting AR385 (Reply 39):
Although I work on insurance, this is a whole different animal to what I do. Still, It does sound to me like a nice business all around for the insurance company. Sure, they give a payout to BA, but then who is going to purchase all those nice components that are intact inside the aircraft? The entire IFE, the F and J seats, etc?

Interesting case.

I would think BA would be wise to use an insurance payout to un-retire a 744 that was sent to the desert and put it through a D-check, so as to not disrupt fleet operations any more than has already been done. I'm sure that all rotable spares will be stripped from G-BNLL before she is cut up...
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:40 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 39):
but then who is going to purchase all those nice components that are intact inside the aircraft? The entire IFE, the F and J seats, etc

I'm pretty sure that has already been agreed by the parties. Point is that most of this stuff of (high) value is only valuable to BA, as it is highly customized to them.
It may very well be that (because of the above) the BFE equipment falls outside the insurance deal, and remains BA property. It is then upto BA to remove, or have it removed, from the airplane and ship it to their logistical centre.

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Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:42 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 26):
Indeed the earlier references to three yet-to-be-delivered 77Ws is because so far Boeing has delivered all BA's 77Ws without seats in the 'F' and 'J' Class cabin. This is because BA have the necessary refurbished, quite young seats that they have removed from retired 744s.

Interesting idea but there has been nowhere near enough J Class seats removed from 747's to cover the 777-300 deliveries. Also old F and new F seat's use a totally different mechanism.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:45 pm

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 43):
Interesting idea but there has been nowhere near enough J Class seats removed from 747's to cover the 777-300 deliveries.

Isn't it just the New FIrst seats that are being recycled into the new B777s?
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:50 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 31):
BNLL had a D check 6 weeks before the accident, the plan was for it to continue in service for quite some time. Another frame will now have to take its place. Potentially that may involve another expensive D check.

Indeed, and I expect Lima Lima´s interior will be heading back to Cardiff in a Freighter of some sort.... it was all kinda ´ very new´ and will surely find some use in one of the other Girls that already saw itself as a future cokecan and will now ´find the fountain of youth´..........(and a heavy check)  
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RE: BA 747 (G-BNLL) In JNB A Write-Off

Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:56 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 44):
Isn't it just the New FIrst seats that are being recycled into the new B777s?

The retired ones up to now all had old First seating I believe.
 
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RE: BA 747 (G-BNLL) In JNB A Write-Off

Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:03 pm

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 43):
nteresting idea but there has been nowhere near enough J Class seats removed from 747's to cover the 777-300 deliveries.

Well there are nine BA 77Ws in service each fitted with 56 'J' Class seats making a total of 504 J Class seats all of which were installed at BA Maintenance Cardiff.

The seven withdrawn 744s that have been withdrawn from use, ferried to CWL, had their J Class seats removed and then flown on to VCV for storage were all 'Mid J' configured aircraft with 52 'J' Class seats. So BA have had 364 seats that they have already been fitted into new 77Ws . But apparently you think they should have thrown away these 364 very expensive seats away and instead bought brand new. But they did not..

If BA were not going to reuse the seats why bother to fly an additional rotation and remove them?

Reusing passenger seats is common practice. As BA retired the second part of their 752 fleet that had already been fitted with lighter, slim-back seats - those aircraft sold to FedEx (that no longer required passenger seats as they were to be converted to 757 236 SFs) - they were all ferried LHR-LGW. At LGW their seats were removed. They were later refitted in to 12 of the then fleet of 17 BA 734s.

Note here that although the 12 refurbished 734s (G-DOCA, 'CF, 'CL, 'CO, ;CS, 'CU to 'CZ and G-BGTB) were refitted with an additional row of six seats to give a total of 153 , only 149 are ever sold. Hence just three instead of four FAs would be requited fcor every flight they made. This strongly suggests that the reason for transferring the 752 seats to the 734s was for the associated reduction in fuel consumption from the installation of the less heavy seats rather than the additional two passenger seats available for sale..
 
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RE: BA 747 (G-BNLL) In JNB A Write-Off

Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:50 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 26):
Indeed the earlier references to three yet-to-be-delivered 77Ws is because so far Boeing has delivered all BA's 77Ws without seats in the 'F' and 'J' Class cabin. This is because BA have the necessary refurbished, quite young seats that they have removed from retired 744s.
Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 43):
Interesting idea but there has been nowhere near enough J Class seats removed from 747's to cover the 777-300 deliveries. Also old F and new F seat's use a totally different mechanism.

[quote=VV701,reply=47] But apparently you think they should have thrown away these 364 very expensive seats away and instead bought brand new. But they did not..[/quote

VV701 you need to read your own statements more clearly, you are doing just the same as you did on a previous thread, firstly you imply that that all the 77W's are fitted with reclaimed seats from retired 744''s anyone reading what you posted could draw no other conclusion. Subsequently when someone points out that there must have been additional seats as the numbers don't add up you fail to accept the argument and go on the attack. Nowhere did Johnwaynebobbett suggest that recycling seats was bad idea he just pointed out the factual incorrectness of your original statement.
 
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RE: BA 747 (G-BNLL) In JNB A Write-Off

Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:18 pm

It's sad...I spotted her once at PHX a year or so ago  

RIP BNLL!

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