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US/AA Announce New Service From CLT-TUL/OKC

Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:10 pm

This is great news for the Oklahoma residents as they now have direct access to CLT and the many destiantions from CLT. I for one fly to TUL all the time and this great news because now we've been gifted 2 daily flight to TUL.

CLT-TUL 2 Daily CRJ 700(PSA)
CLT-OKC 2 Daily CRJ 900(Mesa)

I love how this merger is shaping up for CLT! Added routes to the Midwest was my guess all along. Can't wait to see CLT thrive.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...ing-flights-from.html#.UxEWQHi9LCQ

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RE: US/AA Announce New Service From CLT-TUL/OKC

Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:12 pm

That's the one thing that was good about UA. It filled in the midwest for US. AA can clearly help fill in that barbell route structure of US.
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:26 pm

crossing my fingers to hopefully see my airport (CID) gain a CLT flight. Will be interesting in the months to come to see which cities get connected to CLT and also to the other hubs.
 
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RE: US/AA Announce New Service From CLT-TUL/OKC

Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:33 pm

With the way AA has been running new-colored-planes on inaugural flights, I wonder if these flights' inaugurals will be operated by planes in the new scheme. Will there even be any PSA aircraft in the new colors at that point? I assume they wouldn't just throw a few MQ planes on the inaugurals if there are none as it's PSA operating the route.

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Thread starter):
CLT-OKC 2 Daily CRJ 700(PSA)

The OKC flights are going to be operated by -900s  Smile

[Edited 2014-02-28 15:40:52]
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RE: US/AA Announce New Service From CLT-TUL/OKC

Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:35 pm

In the article it says OKC will be served with CRJ-900. Are both OKC and TUL AA mainline stationss or are they handled by Eagle?
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Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:37 pm

They're both mainline, at least from DFW.
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Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:59 pm

Well, since the new AA/US pulled the CLT-GIG route, I guess OKC and TUL will do fine in its place now......

 
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:39 am

This is good news. When will it consider GRR-CLT, and maybe GRR-PHL?

Right now to get from GRR to GSP on AA, it's GRR-DFW-GSP on which is very out of the way.
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:16 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 6):

That's okay, GIG isn't that viable for CLT, GRU is much better to have from a business perspective.
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:51 am

A CRJ 900 seems a little excess on capacity to start. Can the 700 do CLT - OKC? I'm sure it can.

Both are a great add and I hope they do well. Curious how fares from Tulsa will be compared to XNA just 90 miles away. US charges quite a bit for their 3 CLT flights a day. If they're lower I might consider tulsa more for my trips east.
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:00 am

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 9):
A CRJ 900 seems a little excess on capacity to start. Can the 700 do CLT - OKC? I'm sure it can.

It absolutely can.   Just out of curiosity, why does the -900 seem like excess capacity? Keep in mind it's only two flights a day so it isn't like it's a shuttle or a high frequency operation like some of their shorter routes ex-CLT (MYR, CHS, ILM, etc). US Airways flies CLT-OMA twice daily with CRJ-900s so CLT-OKC oughta be able to handle it.
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:15 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 10):

Yep, same for DSM, which started with a CRJ 200 if I remember, then quickly to a CRJ700 and then finally the CRJ 900. Hopefully the same will occur for TUL, instead there already starting with a CRJ700.

CRJ 900 is a great aircraft to start OKC with. I think they made a good decision with the times.TUL-CLT has a great arrival time to connect to the 2 of the 3 European banks and every other city on the eastern seaboard.
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:23 am

Congrats Matt on gaining nonstop service finally!
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:33 am

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 9):
Can the 700 do CLT - OKC? I'm sure it can.

The United Express CR7s go to LAX, SFO, and IAD from here, so range won't be an issue. Regarding the CR9 which we'll be seeing, it's a little under 200 miles longer than the flight to ATL, so no worries there, either.
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:38 am

These additions are prime examples of how AA will grow CLT to 700 daily flights. Now that CLT opens up the southeast In a way DFW or MIA never really could, more expansion like this out of CLT will continue. Routes that come to mind are CLT-ICT, SHV, BTR, FSD, etc.
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:55 am

Wow - excellent news for the state of Oklahoma! These routes should do extremely well - AA has a large following here so it shouldn't be hard at all to fill these. Now when do we get PHL?
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:00 am

Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
CLT-ICT, SHV, BTR, FSD, etc.

US flies CLTBTR currently.
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:03 am

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 7):
This is good news. When will it consider GRR-CLT, and maybe GRR-PHL?
GRR is the most obvious of the remaining AA markets that are connected only to current AA hubs to now be connected to either PHL, CLT, or both.

With TUL and OKC off the table, there are now 54 markets that are only connected to only PMAA hubs. Of that number, 42 are connected to only one PMAA hub.

There are 42 markets connected only to PMUS hubs. Of that number, 23 are connected to only one PMUS hub.

Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
Routes that come to mind are CLT-ICT, SHV, BTR, FSD, etc.

US began flying CLT-BTR last year.

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Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:42 am

Very welcome to see this. Completely expected though as US Airways promised to start OKC-CLT if they got the DCA slots. This fills in the reasoning for the recent gate moves in OKC by AA.  
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:12 am

Quoting EricR (Reply 14):

These additions are prime examples of how AA will grow CLT to 700 daily flights. Now that CLT opens up the southeast In a way DFW or MIA never really could, more expansion like this out of CLT will continue. Routes that come to mind are CLT-ICT, SHV, BTR, FSD, etc.

I think your assessment of the situation seems pretty solid. I'd expect any AA cities, with a strong frequent flyer base like OKC & TUL, or as you say ICT, FSD, will find a connection to CLT at some point. I am pleased that AA has shown such interest in bolstering the current US service at CLT, instead of the post merger doom and gloom others had suggested.
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:12 pm

Given AA's heavy maintenance presence at TUL, I'm actually shocked it isn't mainline at least once per week to rotate aircraft in and out.
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:28 pm

Interesting how this will be the first US service into TUL (although we should officially call it AA now). For years, USAir was a regional airline with operations mainly on the east coast with a few routes headed straight over flyover territory to the west. This should make CLT a more competitive hub.
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:44 pm

I wonder if they will have regular aircraft upgrades on this route to send aircraft to the big tulsa hanger , its a shame alliance closed down
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:31 pm

How will this work from a reservation/flight ops system view? Since US isn't in OKC/TUL, there's no US trained personnel. Obviously AA will ground handle, but will there be one or two Shares workstations/kiosks dedicated to the US flights? I would have thought any connecting of the dots from AA only stations to CLT or other US hubs would have been operated by AA and handled in CLT by AA ground using Sabre. I know it will still be quite some time until everything is consolidated on Sabre.
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:40 pm

Quoting FLYjoe (Reply 23):

Very easy to train a ground handler. US will most likely use whomever AA is using and train them accordingly.
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:29 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 20):
Given AA's heavy maintenance presence at TUL, I'm actually shocked it isn't mainline at least once per week to rotate aircraft in and out.

How many mainline PMAA aircraft are actually going to be in CLT though needing to go to TUL? Most will still be PMUS that will be handled at the existing US facilities.
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:43 pm

Quoting B757capt (Reply 24):
Very easy to train a ground handler

Not so fast, the ground handler for F9 pushed a flight back a long way past normal disconnect point Wednesday night right into the mud here at OKC. The MLG sunk to the top of the tires and could not be pulled back out readily and the flight had to be cancelled.
Maybe they should have considered some other handler than the "Soggy Bottom Boys"

Quoting FLYjoe (Reply 23):
Obviously AA will ground handle,

AA ground is contract in OKC and AA keeps mainline under the number of flights required by union requirements which I assume carried over to US/AA. Seems I remember the max number was 8 but someone may have to correct that number.

Every flight that has been added since AA dropped back to the contract number has been to regional flying and I am not sure that OKC can fill mainline to many of the markets that the regionals are flying.

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Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:46 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 26):
AA ground is contract in OKC and AA keeps mainline under the number of flights required by union requirements which I assume carried over to US/AA. Seems I remember the max number was 8 but someone may have to correct that number.

You're correct. That's why we saw RJs added to the already 7x MD-80 lineup to DFW.
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:54 pm

Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
These additions are prime examples of how AA will grow CLT to 700 daily flights.

Okay. And what's happening right now at Envoy and other regionals and will only accelerate and worsen - namely, a shortage of pilots and the rapidly-deteriorating economics of regional jets - is the countervailing force that serves as a "prime example" of how CLT, in my view, is going to struggle to sustain 700 daily departures longer-term. It's nice that AA is rapidly moving to take advantage of "low hanging fruit" like connecting CLT to the Midwest. I agree there are likely other, similar markets - like GRR - that also make plenty of sense. But all of that, in total, likely amounts to no more than 10-15 daily departures. And, as a point of comparison, just the existing Eagle flying from CLT on now-hub-hub routes (ORD, LGA and MIA) - which is all virtually certain to be gone in the near future - totals 14 daily departures alone.

It's like Obamacare: all the popular, "good" stuff starts immediately, and the painful, controversial stuff starts three years later. In this case, all the "connecting of dots" to the Midwest with large RJs put together cannot, in my view, counteract the opposing forces of upgauging, higher post-merger costs (compared to pre-merger USAirways) and network realignment that are going to undermine CLT's level of departures long-term.

I continue to expect that CLT is going to remain a massive hub - among the largest in the country - with probably 500-600 daily departures, mostly mainline. But I do not think 700 is realistic.
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:19 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 28):

And what's happening right now at Envoy and other regionals and will only accelerate and worsen - namely, a shortage of pilots and the rapidly-deteriorating economics of regional jets - is the countervailing force that serves as a "prime example" of how CLT, in my view, is going to struggle to sustain 700 daily departures longer-term.

Well, you could be right about the pilot shortage assuming this problem is not resolved specifically for AA. AA/US compared WN/DL/UA has an alarming number of pilots set to retire by 2022.

Approximately 61% of AA/US pilots are set to retire by 2022. This compares to WN which has only 18% set to retire by 2022. DL has 47% of their pilots set to retire by 2022, but they have already layed the foundation to address this issue via the reduction in regional flying and moving over about 1,000 pilots from their regional carriers to DL.

AA/US will have a lot on their plate with operational integration of both carriers, in addition to solving for the looming pilot shortage. However, the impact still remains to be seen. Yes, we can see a shortage on the horizon, but there is still time to minimize the impact. EK is addressing the issue by building its own pilot training academy.

Lastly, let's not forget the 700 number is just another way of saying the number of seats in the market. Therefore, even if the pilot shortage has significant impacts on the number of flights, this issue can (and is) being addressed by less frequency, but higher capacity aircraft.


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Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:57 pm

Quoting EricR (Reply 29):
AA/US will have a lot on their plate with operational integration of both carriers, in addition to solving for the looming pilot shortage. However, the impact still remains to be seen. Yes, we can see a shortage on the horizon, but there is still time to minimize the impact. EK is addressing the issue by building its own pilot training academy.

Personally, I don't think the impact will be any worse for AA than any other U.S. network carrier. They're all going to face a shrinking pool of pilot labor, and that will not only lead pilot labor costs, but also average aircraft size, to increase. When that happens, frequency is likely to fall in many markets across the U.S., and across the networks of all the network carriers.

In the case of CLT, specifically, I think the more unique impact that is not going to be felt quite as strongly as at other network airline hubs in the U.S. (including pre-merger AA hubs) is that CLT handles a very large amount of volume right now relative to the market size, historically been driven by the fact that USAirways, with lower labor and other costs than competitors. I don't know if that's sustainable post-merger, at the new airline's higher costs.

Quoting EricR (Reply 29):
Lastly, let's not forget the 700 number is just another way of saying the number of seats in the market. Therefore, even if the pilot shortage has significant impacts on the number of flights, this issue can (and is) being addressed by less frequency, but higher capacity aircraft.

Absolutely. I was disputing specifically the point that CLT-OKC/TUL somehow portended 700 daily departures. I agree that CLT may retain more of its capacity as the network rationalization evolves, but I continue to believe that 700 departures is quite unrealistic - for all the reasons already mentioned.
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:49 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 17):
US began flying CLT-BTR last year.

It's been longer than that, IIRC. I think it was operating last time I was in BTR in June, 2012.
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:52 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 26):

I am a fierce critic of contract ramp, but that was FSS who pushed the aircraft into the mud. Not G2, who handles AA and DL.
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:55 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 31):
It's been longer than that, IIRC. I think it was operating last time I was in BTR in June, 2012.

Man, time flies. It was actually 2010 when CLT-BTR started!
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:17 pm

Just out of curiosity, anyone know what % of CLT traffic is O&D?
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:24 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 30):
In the case of CLT, specifically, I think the more unique impact that is not going to be felt quite as strongly as at other network airline hubs in the U.S. (including pre-merger AA hubs) is that CLT handles a very large amount of volume right now relative to the market size, historically been driven by the fact that USAirways, with lower labor and other costs than competitors. I don't know if that's sustainable post-merger, at the new airline's higher costs.

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Absolutely. I was disputing specifically the point that CLT-OKC/TUL somehow portended 700 daily departures. I agree that CLT may retain more of its capacity as the network rationalization evolves, but I continue to believe that 700 departures is quite unrealistic - for all the reasons already mentioned.


There is almost no question in my mind that CLT will remain a busy hub for the new AA/US.

Now, on the observation that CLT has much more market relative to its size.... yes, on that I completely agree. The CLT hub is by far the current highest percentage hub of connect pax in the U.S. - some 25% O&D with 75% connect pax. Now I know that some of the flame-throwers are getting out their matches..... but after three some years of so, I can see CLT with about 400-450 AA/US ops daily..... and CLT will still continue to be a busy hub.... and even at that rate, will probably still be a bit overserved, but certainly not like at the 700 daily ops rate......

Okay.... I've got my fireproof suit on now.

 
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:47 pm

I'd say you guys are wrong, and CLT will do just fine. Its unit revenue compares well to Atlanta. That region of the country needs, if anything, 3 hubs. 2 megahubs may not be enough. To downgrade CLT to "hub" from its near megahub status would only increase the unserved high yield demand in the SE region.

But we'll see.
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:11 pm

Quoting chepos (Reply 4):
Are both OKC and TUL AA mainline stationss or are they handled by Eagle?
Quoting FLYjoe (Reply 23):
Since US isn't in OKC/TUL, there's no US trained personnel. Obviously AA will ground handle, but will there be one or two Shares workstations/kiosks dedicated to the US flights?

The ramp for AA in OKC is handled by G2. AA has mainline customer service agents in OKC and TUL.

US Airways flew to OKC for a very short time a while back. I believe it was a former HP route from PHX. When US Airways was in OKC, AA had the contract to handle their above wing. Many of the agents there already know the US reservation system. The ticket counter for US in OKC was between the current AA and UA counters and it was staffed by AA mainline agents.
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:14 pm

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Thread starter):
CLT-OKC 2 Daily CRJ 900(Mesa)

A solid add, very strong AA station and budding local economy, only makes sense to connect it with CLT.

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Thread starter):
CLT-TUL 2 Daily CRJ 700(PSA)

I'll be curious to see how this one pans if it's unrelated to maintenance.

Quoting commavia (Reply 30):
but I continue to believe that 700 departures is quite unrealistic - for all the reasons already mentioned.

I agree, the 700 number was kind of a cop out as AA's current ops in CLT plus US's already equal about 700 departures alone. In about a year I think we'll have a much better idea, once AA and US truly begin to integrate and synergize their networks. As I've said, CLT will likely to continue to remain the 2nd (or 3rd largest depending on what they do in ORD) largest AA hub, but I don't think 700 daily departures is sustainable beyond this summer.
 
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:17 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 35):
Now I know that some of the flame-throwers are getting out their matches..... but after three some years of so, I can see CLT with about 400-450 AA/US ops daily..... and CLT will still continue to be a busy hub.... and even at that rate, will probably still be a bit overserved, but certainly not like at the 700 daily ops rate......

Okay.... I've got my fireproof suit on now.

It's amazing how many people equate 400-450 flights/day the same as being de-hubbed. CLT will always be an important hub for AA/US, but to think they will maintain current combined frequency levels or grow simply is not reasonable. OKC/TUL adds are just the beginning of right-sizing of CLT, while the loss of markets like GIG play an equally important role in this rationalization.
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:51 pm

Quoting WNnick (Reply 37):
US Airways flew to OKC for a very short time a while back. I believe it was a former HP route from PHX. When US Airways was in OKC, AA had the contract to handle their above wing. Many of the agents there already know the US reservation system. The ticket counter for US in OKC was between the current AA and UA counters and it was staffed by AA mainline agents.

Continental handled HP, later went to AA as the US merger progressed.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 38):
I'll be curious to see how this one pans if it's unrelated to maintenance.

PSA does not have a maintenance base in TUL. The TUL maintenance base is AA (mainline).
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Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:57 pm

CLT-OKC was debatably the single biggest hole in CLT's domestic network with or without the AA merger. I think OKC-PHL could work too.
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Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:09 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 36):
Its unit revenue compares well to Atlanta.

May I ask here how one would define "unit revenue" as it applies to an airport? My thinking is that maybe (or maybe not) it has to do with CPE, but I'll ask first and would want to make sure.....

 
 
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RE: US/AA Announce New Service From CLT-TUL/OKC

Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:16 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 36):
I'd say you guys are wrong, and CLT will do just fine.

Well I'm not sure what you think is "wrong" then, since nobody here suggested CLT would be anything other than "just fine." Quite the opposite. CLT need not be a 700-daily-departure hub to be "just fine." 500-600 daily flights should do it.
 
dbo861
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RE: US/AA Announce New Service From CLT-TUL/OKC

Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:21 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 41):

CLT-OKC was debatably the single biggest hole in CLT's domestic network with or without the AA merger. I think OKC-PHL could work too.

And PHX, even though WN also flies this route.
 
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RE: US/AA Announce New Service From CLT-TUL/OKC

Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:50 am

Quoting WNnick (Reply 37):
US Airways flew to OKC for a very short time a while back. I believe it was a former HP route from PHX. When US Airways was in OKC,

They also flew a redeye to LAS...then WN entered the market and handed them their *** and they packed up.
 
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RE: US/AA Announce New Service From CLT-TUL/OKC

Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:49 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 35):
after three some years of so, I can see CLT with about 400-450 AA/US ops daily

couldn't disagree with you more
1) if there's one hub scheduled to undergo dramatic restructuring it's DFW, the already announced change-over to 'connecting banks' will result in less aircraft movements
2) DFW no longer needs to be 'Jack of all trades', while AA had to de-tour Midwest passengers living east of DFW traveling to the Southeast & Florida, American will flow them more efficiently through CLT
3) AA's strong Midwest market position will allow new non-stop services because of local demand like the announced OKC/TUL-CLT
4) CLT's north / south traffic reflects the volume of a much smaller airline, the combined larger market share in many communities up and down the East Coast will result in increased demand
5) Parker believes in the power of hubs, remember the headlines when Southwest started flights at PHL in May, 2004? 10 years later and where are they now? Parker & team are very proud of their achievement and I believe it is key to how he will manage American's network, balancing traffic to strengthen each hub to be able to compete with anybody
6) all this doom & gloom about a pilot shortage, really? remember nurses in the 90s? if indeed we get to that point the US will grant work visas for any pilot anywhere in the world, so don't sweat the small stuff  
 
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RE: US/AA Announce New Service From CLT-TUL/OKC

Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:01 am

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 46):
5) Parker believes in the power of hubs, remember the headlines when Southwest started flights at PHL in May, 2004? 10 years later and where are they now? Parker & team are very proud of their achievement and I believe it is key to how he will manage American's network, balancing traffic to strengthen each hub to be able to compete with anybody

While your other points remain to be seen (and I don't necessarily disagree), you are completely right on this one. Parker/Kirby and Company really get airline economics 101. They aren't chasing after marketshare, they want to make money. They strive to have a network that produces premiums and they will do that by being a dominant force in LAX/PHX/DFW/ORD/CLT/DCA/PHL/NYC/MIA. Parker is not an idiot as some here paint him to be.

The hub rationalization that will occur will be fascinating to watch. Many who are waiting for CLT to be reduced will be proven wrong... with the amount of industry consolidation and capacity reduction that has ensued, CLT can remain a connecting hub and be profitable. The traffic that feeds CLT is largely controlled by AA/US or DL(ATL), and is insulated by LCC competition. It is not necessarily low junk yield traffic.

AA is a much more premium carrier than US (and I say this as a lUS employee). He understands what he is working with. Now that we have more market share and hubs in places that can generate yields, a lot of the premium AA products will stay and be expanded.
 
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RE: US/AA Announce New Service From CLT-TUL/OKC

Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:46 am

Quoting nwcoflyer (Reply 47):
with the amount of industry consolidation and capacity reduction that has ensued, CLT can remain a connecting hub and be profitable. The traffic that feeds CLT is largely controlled by AA/US or DL(ATL), and is insulated by LCC competition. It is not necessarily low junk yield traffic

  
the new OKC/TUL-CLT routes fly in the face of all the doubters, why pass by Dallas if Charlotte is junk? nobody else offers non-stops and DFW has the most convenient connections along the way, well, because there's    to be made at CLT and if anybody knows it's Parker & team
 
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RE: US/AA Announce New Service From CLT-TUL/OKC

Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:16 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 45):
They also flew a redeye to LAS...then WN entered the market and handed them their *** and they packed up.

Don't forget G4 also started LAS service around this time. It was a crazy amount of new capacity on that route in a short time. Granted there use to a 4x weekly charter of a Sun Co DC-10 running OKC-LAS through the late 90s, but it ended well before the slugfest started and WN won.

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