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MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:35 am

Link to MAN news 50

Not a lot to report on recently but it does appear that MS do appear to have certain issues with the rights to fly MAN-CAI as the route wasn't bookable past the end of this winter season then winter 2014 became bookable before summer 2014 got the nod. It would be nice to see exactly what the bilateral states!


New route from Jet2 availabe for the next ski season is a weekly flight to Turin on Saturdays, and they've increased their New York shopping trips to 4 from the 2 operated last year.

MAN has been raising money £450 million on the bond market, with the offering heavily oversubscribed.

Elsewhere is was reported that the MAN-China market has 245,000 passenger per year by the Air China UK and Ireland manager. Even allowing for the idea that not all those passengers are purely doing MAN-PEK it still seems a remarkably thick "thin route" with a decent amount of passenger transfer potential to other Chinese cities.... whether this includes MAN-HKG would be something to find out but if it isn't, it does make you wonder on the reticence to start such a route given it equates to a one-way daily average of 335 passengers per day. On the downside, a former analyst was still saying in 2012 no airline would contemplate a route on an aircraft with 100 passengers per day. So where's the extra 235 passengers per day come from? Perhaps if airlines spent less time talking to analysts dissuading them for launching routes and more time evaluating routes on their own then we may have a slightly better offering on the long-haul front.

January continued where last year left off with a 4% increase in passenger numbers, with 1.2 million being recorded with the Evening News having floated up a story about 1 movement every 4 minutes in November. Perhaps they should do a similar exercise for July/August for comparison?

Lastly, there is the potential for a route relaunch from Swiss as they highlighted their GVA-LGW experience with the following comment:

"We may add other destinations within the UK for the 2014 to 2015 winter season, though Gatwick will still be our main focus. One destination that comes to my mind is Manchester."

[Edited 2014-03-01 01:46:39]

[Edited 2014-03-01 02:18:41]
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:27 pm

After years of no link to Saudi Arabia, MAN will now see SV and XY operate JED-MAN.

SV already mentioned previously but we now have:


XY25 dep JED 0355 arr MAN 0845
XY26 dep MAN 1015 arr JED 1855

Type = A330.

Operating: Weds, Fri and Sun

Start date: 2nd May

Note, the codeshare flights with EY on JED-MAN are in the 3xxx range so no typo showing!


All this taken from "booking" a flight with them on their website.
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:21 pm

Great to see some new routes out of MAN

Does anybody know when the redevelopment of T3 is likely to commence?
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:55 pm

Think they are still formalising plans for wholescale redevelopment of the airport.

Pair of Gulf Air airbuses due tomorrow:

GF9001 12:05 Toulouse Scheduled 12:05
GF9003 12:20 Toulouse Scheduled 12:20
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:13 pm

Etihad's plan to operate A330 + 77W from 1st June has been revised.... both services will be 77Ws per their website.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:04 am

Great news. That's a huge jump in capacity that.
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:36 am

Bloody awful retrograde step for economy passengers though.

I'd take 4 abreast in their A332 before 4 abreast in their B77W anytime.

I did a direct comparison MAN-AUH-MNL last year; the B77W was an unpleasant experience. It is not the seats but the fact the aisles are significantly narrower which gives the impression of being crammed in on the B77W.

Give me their A332 and the extra communal space anytime.

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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:40 pm

Bayern Munich's team bus due tomorrow:

LH2570 16:05 Munich Scheduled 16:05
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:40 pm

I'm hearing talk that easyJet could be pulling Moscow at the end of the summer schedules.

Bookings have gone through the floor since Putin went on his road trip to Crimea.

Sad if it goes, but it wouldn't be a surprise in the circumstances.

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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:55 pm

That would mean 2 fairly long sectors to replace. Operating to KBP instead may be slightly pushing it if they want to return to SVO!


This is what the Great Circle Mapper has for the [email protected] radius and me choosing some potential replacement routes.


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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:40 pm

Some charters at MAN tomorrow for the footy:
HG1018 10:10 Munich
DE9226 10:30 Munich
LOG845 15:40 Aberdeen
ABR401J 15:50 Dublin
LOG847 15:50 Aberdeen

Oh. There's also the small matter of
SV123 08:15 Jeddah
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:13 pm

So April Fool's day started off with an SQ A380 on div, followed by a BA 777. I wonder how many locals got hold of friends who must have thought this was a prank?


Blurb on SV coming back
with the last sentence being:

"Saudia plans to increase the frequency by the end of 2014."

Allegedly the route is off to a good start so this could conceivably have influenced this plan?
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:17 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 11):
Allegedly the route is off to a good start so this could conceivably have influenced this plan?

The passenger figures for April will make for interesting reading; then more so when compared to whenever Flynas start the same route.

News about flybe from the MEN business pages:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....itical-to-airlines-rebirth-6916529

Quote:
Following some tough restructuring we now have seven core bases instead of 13 and Manchester is at the heart of that backbone,” said Mr Hammad, who was speaking on board the inaugural flight of a purple Bombardier Q400 aircraft shortly after it had touched down in Manchester.

Mr Hammad, who has been Flybe CEO for eight months, added: “Around 20 per cent of our customers coming through Manchester are connecting passengers. Some of those connect with another Flybe flight and others connect with other airlines like Air France or Emirates - so we give connectivity to the world out of Manchester.”

Flybe, Europe’s largest regional airline, will offer more than 1.4million seats on aircrafts to and from Manchester this summer.

There's also a mention further into the article about possible future routes and growth, but not specifically from MAN.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:51 pm

QR763 DOH-YUL 777-300ER A7-BAF diverting into MAN squawking 7700
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:34 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 13):
QR763 DOH-YUL 777-300ER A7-BAF diverting into MAN squawking 7700

Was a medical diversion.

It turned around off the west coast of Ireland. I am wondering why it didn't land in DUB as that would have been closer.

Is it because QR have ground staff in MAN?
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:00 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 14):
Was a medical diversion.

It turned around off the west coast of Ireland. I am wondering why it didn't land in DUB as that would have been closer.

Is it because QR have ground staff in MAN?

Combination of reasons

Descent rate fuel burn and landing weight maximums probably make Manchester more convenient than rapid and repetitive circling motions.

Manchester Wythenshawe Hospital is designated receiving hospital for a swage of airspace up to Oceanic clearance point off Eire

Station considerations and accounts certainly allow easier fuel up lift as required.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:06 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 13):

Now taxiing to the runway as QTR763D, the aircraft is painted in the OneWorld special livery so hopefully some nice videos!  
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:53 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 14):

As rutankrd says, better facilities in MAN, and the fuel burn
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:23 am

little flurry of diversions this morning:

QR A346, EY 77W, VS A340, 747 & A320.

___________


CX CEO has indicated that MAN is to be announced this year with plans for a 4 weekly 77W service at a meeting; meant to be non-stop which makes it slighly more attractive than them doing the one-stop option previously touted in years gone by.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:30 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 18):
CX CEO has indicated that MAN is to be announced this year with plans for a 4 weekly 77W service at a meeting; meant to be non-stop which makes it slighly more attractive than them doing the one-stop option previously touted in years gone by.

It's almost a viral campaign - trickle here trickle there.Over heard gossip and none disclosure orders "slipped out" media stories and half truth dates.

Crafted comments from insiders stating no service in January 2015 however careful not to say things like January could well be the intended date for an official announcement of services later in year.

Posted and removed GDS timetables.

Crew transfer coaching contracts drawn up and ready sign allegedly.

The thing is if it is a considered viral campaign the information detail released may mean they have to reconsider their public confirmation/denial timetable.

Still a wait and see then.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:41 pm

A normally reliable source in another place has indicated that Saudi flexible fares (LCC) carrier FlyNas is considering increasing the frequency of JED- MAN service and extending them across the ocean to JFK and ORD each with 3 weekly frequencies in 2015.

Do they even have traffic rights and can they get fifth freedom terms ?

Certainly they seem to be taking on Saudia in every possible market !

Need some caution however as they could also choose to extend the Gatwick services just as easily.

Anyway its an interesting development combined with the Cathay rumour 2015 seems to have potential already.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:37 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 20):
Do they even have traffic rights and can they get fifth freedom terms ?

Negotiations with JFK/ORD starting in September, apparently.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...o-start-us-flights-in-2015-397891/

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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:41 am

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 22):
Cathay to commence schedule flights in December 4 weekly on two class 77W

Excellent news - the ttdigital article says 3 class - Y, Y+ and J
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:50 pm

With DL and VS strengthening their partnership could DL possibly resume their MAN-JFK flights?
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:25 pm

I'm not sure if I've seen it mentioned previously, but the US CLT is finishing 2 weeks early on September 4th whilst the new merged carrier rearranges its fleet.

Delta's ATL seems to receive an upguage again for winter 14/15 to an A332.

Air China looking to be imminent.

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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:21 pm

Quoting oly720man (Reply 21):
Negotiations with JFK/ORD starting in September, apparently.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...o-start-us-flights-in-2015-397891/

Chickens and eggs. Do you need the rights before you talk to airports or do you get the rights once you've come to the appropriate arrangements with the necessary authorities?

No, you don't need the rights to start the process.

I personally haven't been approached but I'll be reaching out to a few to follow up on this for ORD. If it's S15, then with Routes2014 in Chicago, this will be a no brainer to chat with them.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:37 pm

Runway 2 at MAN to re-open for the afternoon 3 hours earlier than at present from May 1st to reduce delays for the summer season. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....port-extends-second-runway-6984243
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:54 am

More money raised and March pax down

"MAG revealed details of the second bond, as it also said more than 1.43m people travelled through Manchester Airport in March.

That was down slightly on 2013, as Easter is falling later this year."

Amount raised = £360 million.

Depending on what figure the pax number relates to, it's between 1.24% to 2.2% down.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:41 am

Apparently MAN was closed for about an hour this morning. Friend of mine got almost diverted to Birmingham, but made it to Manchester after circling for quite some time (Germanwings flight from Hamburg).

Anything special going on?
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:56 am

Quoting spiplane (Reply 29):
Anything special going on?

It seems the Thomson Airways flight from Cancun had a problem with its brakes, leading to something being spilled on the runway as a result, hence the closure.
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:47 am

Hydraulic issue, aircraft stopped on 23R.

Easy from BFS went into LPL, SQ to LHR, US to DUB, LH to BHX, all back in MAN now though.

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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:29 pm

Why the diverts though? Wasn't 23L available if R was closed?
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:30 pm

Quoting spud757 (Reply 32):
Why the diverts though? Wasn't 23L available if R was closed?

Fire cover degraded and single runway ops on 23L severely limited leading to extended holding patterns or for some a splash and dash elsewhere.

As often pointed out many Manchester flights operate on or close to minima legal fuel with divert % as extended holds are not predicted.

[Edited 2014-04-16 08:36:11]
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:47 pm

Quoting spud757 (Reply 32):
Why the diverts though? Wasn't 23L available if R was closed?

You can only land 3 inbounds on 23L before inbounds and outbounds come to a standstill whilst they backtrack from the loop to vacate.

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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:18 pm

Great news about Cathay but their prices are staying at the high end. I was thinking of sampling the inaugural flight in J but they want >£4000 for a return trip. Dropping to a base fare of £3200 later next year.
When you compare dates with Emirates for example they come out at just over £2200 thats a big difference for a small transit time in DXB.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:30 pm

Quoting jfazzer (Reply 35):
Great news about Cathay but their prices are staying at the high end. I was thinking of sampling the inaugural flight in J but they want >£4000 for a return trip. Dropping to a base fare of £3200 later next year.
When you compare dates with Emirates for example they come out at just over £2200 thats a big difference for a small transit time in DXB.

Paid £3800 for March 2015 flight .

You should really compare and contrast with Singapore they are pretty similar.

And I would expect some promotional deals much nearer the launch .

That said I here forward booking are already looking rather healthy !
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:38 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 36):
That said I here forward booking are already looking rather healthy !

Good to hear. The prices really are on the high end though. Its comparable to booking a flight leaving in two days time rather than booking for December or Jan 2015! I don't quite understand the pricing of this CX flight.
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:08 pm

Quoting jfazzer (Reply 35):
Great news about Cathay but their prices are staying at the high end. I was thinking of sampling the inaugural flight in J but they want >£4000 for a return trip. Dropping to a base fare of £3200 later next year.

£3,200 was the lead in price at launch. Shows it's sold well if no longer available.

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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:10 pm

Next in the long-haul expansion: Thomas Cook with services to the States!


Mon, Thurs + Sat:
MAN 13:20 JFK 15:40 TCX848 JFK 18:30 MAN 05:55 TCX849

Fri + Sun
MAN 10:15 MIA 12:40 TCX830 MIA 14:10 MAN 06:00 TCX831

Starts 2nd May 2015. Details off flythomascook.com

______________________

Saw a CX ad in the Manchester Evening News today. Welcome sign that they are going for a solid 7 month campaign of promoting the services. Also HKG is now showing on the online MAN timetable with a slight arrival time revision for summer 2015 when it's scheduled to come in at 0700.

[Edited 2014-04-25 16:16:39]
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:50 pm

A handful of LHR divs today:

VS A330
QR A330
BA 777
UA 787


TCX have now formally announced MIA (£399) + JFK (£299)

New destination for FR to be revealed ... EIN. It's on the route map and it's in the drop-down menu when buying tickets. No info on whether it's a MAN based aircraft or not as no details available.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Fri May 09, 2014 11:09 pm

Certain LH DUS-MAN services for June are shown as A319 rather than CRJ900. Is this a permenant upgrade?
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Sun May 11, 2014 12:12 pm

As reported elsewhere, the flynas service to and from JED has been cancelled today. Also reported that their LGW service has been operating on Thursdays only.

http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...nas-long-haul-operations-1.1330330

Something has to give. I do not believe there's an adequate market for two carriers to compete on MAN - JED, especially as it's a restricted market.

I wish this duplication didn't happen as often as it does at MAN. True, additional destinations are needed to fulfil its role as the primary access point to northern Britain, but too much competition isn't always in MAN's best interests.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Sun May 11, 2014 1:32 pm

Today's TOM182 to Cancun looks like it has an issue and has started doing racetracks near St Helens after touring the Irish Sea for a bit.

http://www.flightradar24.com/TOM182/34ecbdb
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Sun May 11, 2014 3:21 pm

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 42):
As reported elsewhere, the flynas service to and from JED has been cancelled today.

Aircraft went tech.

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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Mon May 12, 2014 5:38 pm

MAN T1 was a disgrace this morning at 05:30. Security queues were approximately 1 hour long which in my mind is inexcusable. I was lucky, I was plucked from the queue after 40 minutes as were many others every 10 minutes in order to keep flights on time. Unfortunately that meant that those who arrived 2 hours before their flight kept having people escorted to the front of the line delaying them further! If it is like this all summer then I will take Virgin trains and Eurostar to Brussels rather than fly.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Thu May 15, 2014 6:46 pm

SV61 HZ-AKH diverted in this morning which meant we had 2 SV 772s in at the same time with sistership HZ-AKI operating our service.

1st month of their resumed ops saw 4431 passengers carried, averaging 170 per flighty

MS were roughly 93 per flight with 4297 passengers.

MEB3:

DXB 69517 +9.3%
AUH 27662 +7.1%
DOH 21959 +17.5%

SQ were 157 per flight with a 33% increase in numbers to 9777 passengers

[Edited 2014-05-15 11:57:41]
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Fri May 16, 2014 8:23 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 46):
1st month of their resumed ops saw 4431 passengers carried, averaging 170 per flighty

MS were roughly 93 per flight with 4297 passengers.

MEB3:

DXB 69517 +9.3%
AUH 27662 +7.1%
DOH 21959 +17.5%

SQ were 157 per flight with a 33% increase in numbers to 9777 passengers

Thanks for working out the SV figures, they're very encouraging. Likewise SQ. Hopefully we may see this de-linked from MUC when SQ get A350s and 787s.
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Fri May 16, 2014 7:09 pm

Quoting boysteve (Reply 45):

It wasn't much better on Thursday 8th May at about 6am. We paid for FastTrack and it was a good move, from check-in desk to Giraffe in 10 minutes. Later on when I was browsing duty-free I saw a group of passengers running as though they were on the verge of missing their flight!
 
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RE: MAN News 51 - Steady Growth Continuing

Sat May 17, 2014 4:49 am

Manchester's aviation future might be quite dependent on the outcome of the Scottish independence referendum.

David Cameron made another disastrous intervention yesterday, telling the Scots that they should stay British because London is the jewel of the British Isles.

It's significant because each previous such intervention has lifted the independence vote by a couple of points from its original hopeless position. If it gets close to passing - even above 40% - then independence becomes inevitable within the next 5 years.

And that's where Manchester enters the equation. An independent Scotland would value the same things - free comprehensive healthcare, free tertiary education, robust social safety net, no user-pays system - that the people of northern England and Wales value highly but people in the southeast do not.

At which point it is not at all hard to forsee a Crimean solution, in which northern England and Wales secede to join Scotland because the alternative is endless Conservative government from the southeast.

And suddenly Manchester Airport finds itself at the centre of the nation's largest conurbation of 6 million people in the northwest including Leeds and Sheffield.

So I find myself wondering whether Manchester might just find itself within a decade as the national airport for a new nation of Britain Minus The Southeast.

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