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wxman11
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AA A321 In SFO

Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:25 pm

Hey guys,

as you are all aware, American Airlines will be replacing their B762 aircraft with the new A321T. mainly the route affected by this update in aircraft will be SFO-JFK, LAX-JFK. anyway, I manage to come across one of the A321T at KSFO a few days. the aircraft seen in the photo was a flight from KLAX. Yet I'm unsure whether the flight had any pax (passengers) nor do I know if it was going to be used on one of the SFO-JFK flights. enjoy

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9609

https://www.airliners.net/ufview.file?id=138601&filename=phpFbMxNf.jpeg

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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:37 pm

I don't know what the flight was doing there specifically, perhaps just checking that everything is in place for the new plane? Also 321 JFK-SFO flights started yesterday, 3/4.
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:14 am

The aircraft was here for familierization. Getting the Ramp and Customer Service people aquinted with the new plane. Also they were doing gate fits. there were no lines for the A321 and jetbridges up to the L2 door.
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:20 am

I was told by an AA agent in SFO they would board from door 1L. I was mind boggled by that because of how inconvenienced the First class cabin would be but she didnt seem to happy about it either comparing it to the 757.
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:26 am

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 3):

Interesting tid bit...... though I believe Agent info as far as I can throw them. I've scene pics from a friend on Instagram with the jetbridge up on the L2.
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:40 am

The OP's user photo seems to show the airbridge up to 2L...
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:55 am

Looking at the picture, it appears that the jet bridge is set at L2.

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 3):
I was mind boggled by that because of how inconvenienced the First class cabin would be but she didnt seem to happy about it either comparing it to the 757.

In the many times I've flown on a 757 on AA, boarding through L1 has been far more common that at L2.
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:01 am

Quoting wxman11 (Thread starter):
Yet I'm unsure whether the flight had any pax (passengers) nor do I know if it was going to be used on one of the SFO-JFK flights.

AA9609 was a ferry flight LAX-SFO. Two pilots only, no pax.

The plane was ferried to JFK today as AA9610. Two pilots only, no pax.

Currently scheduled to operate AA1 JFK-LAX at 9:00am on Mar.06 w/89 pax. It will be this aircraft's 11th flight.
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:57 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 5):
The OP's user photo seems to show the airbridge up to 2L...

Fair enough, however yesterday the jetbridge was indeed connected to 1L. Also I didnt mean for it to come off that company wide they would board through 1L. She said here in SFO they would board through 1L

Quoting as739x (Reply 4):
though I believe Agent info as far as I can throw them

agreed!
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:34 am

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 8):

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 5):
The OP's user photo seems to show the airbridge up to 2L...

Fair enough, however yesterday the jetbridge was indeed connected to 1L. Also I didnt mean for it to come off that company wide they would board through 1L. She said here in SFO they would board through 1L

They may be just be testing their systems. I would not put much into which door the airbridge was or was not connected to. These are the same gate agents that tell us we will boarding in a few minutes...
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:21 pm

Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 3):
I was told by an AA agent in SFO they would board from door 1L. I was mind boggled by that because of how inconvenienced the First class cabin would be but she didnt seem to happy about it either comparing it to the 757.

On the 762 they always boarded through 1L.  
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:49 pm

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 7):
AA9609 was a ferry flight LAX-SFO. Two pilots only, no pax.

The plane was ferried to JFK today as AA9610. Two pilots only, no pax.

Currently scheduled to operate AA1 JFK-LAX at 9:00am on Mar.06 w/89 pax. It will be this aircraft's 11th flight.

I know ferry flights are not uncommon for any airline, but I find it kind of bizarre that they wouldn't make it a revenue flight for such high-volume routes like LAX-SFO and SFO-JFK. The only incremental cost would be the cabin crew and maybe the ramp crew and gate agent (who'd probably be on duty anyway). Surely even 10-15 passengers would cover that cost, and I'm sure it would be a pleasant surprise to any passengers who ended up on it.
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:19 pm

I was at SFO on Sunday 3/2, and an A321T was parked at 58A with the passenger boarding bridge connected to the 2L door.

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 11):
I know ferry flights are not uncommon for any airline, but I find it kind of bizarre that they wouldn't make it a revenue flight for such high-volume routes like LAX-SFO and SFO-JFK. The only incremental cost would be the cabin crew and maybe the ramp crew and gate agent (who'd probably be on duty anyway). Surely even 10-15 passengers would cover that cost, and I'm sure it would be a pleasant surprise to any passengers who ended up on it.

Agreed, although it's not always so simple. At least in this scenario, the airport wasn't even familiar with ground ops for that fleet type, so they wouldn't make it a revenue flight.
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:18 pm

And some times, a ferry flight is because of a mechanical issue. Back in the late 90s, I was at SFO waiting for a flight to ORD. The HNL flight was delayed, because of mechanical issues. Ultimately, a DC-10 was ferried in from LAX, while the DC-10 that was supoosed to work the flight was towed to the hanger. The only people who came off the DC-10 from LAX were the pilots.

A friend of mine has worked a number of ferry flights, usually in the middle of the night. This can happen due to mechanical problems, as well as weather that disrupted operations an an airport.

About the only thing that a ferry flight will carry is cargo and/or mail.
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:25 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 4):
Interesting tid bit...... though I believe Agent info as far as I can throw them. I've scene pics from a friend on Instagram with the jetbridge up on the L2.
Quoting SocalApproach (Reply 3):
I was told by an AA agent in SFO they would board from door 1L. I was mind boggled by that because of how inconvenienced the First class cabin would be but she didnt seem to happy about it either comparing it to the 757.

I read that AA had committed to boarding through door 2, as they viewed that a "commitment" to their premium FFs. Some had contended there were negatives with this, but that it was a policy AA was committed to. I believe I read it here - for what that is worth.
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:15 pm

I loved the 767 flight. I think it used to leave in the night and was a red eye flight. It was very comfortable. I feel A321 seats are not as comfortable as 767 seats.
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:18 pm

Quoting bharathkv (Reply 15):
I loved the 767 flight. I think it used to leave in the night and was a red eye flight. It was very comfortable. I feel A321 seats are not as comfortable as 767 seats.

Be more specific about how the seats in the 767 are so different than the ones in A321 that make them so much more comfortable. I would be very curious to know.
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:43 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 14):
I read that AA had committed to boarding through door 2, as they viewed that a "commitment" to their premium FFs. Some had contended there were negatives with this, but that it was a policy AA was committed to. I believe I read it here - for what that is worth.

We used door 1 at LAX in January. Found it odd as an F passenger.
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:00 am

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 17):
We used door 1 at LAX in January. Found it odd as an F passenger.

Given the incredible premium status accorded the AA A321 F cabin, I'd be perturbed as well. Those times when I have been in F on a 757 using L2, with DL, the relative serenity of the F cabin was a real enhancement of the experience.
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:18 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 13):
A friend of mine has worked a number of ferry flights, usually in the middle of the night. This can happen due to mechanical problems, as well as weather that disrupted operations an an airport.

And the mother of all ferry flights: The delivery flights. Most pilots I know love them. A friend of mine also, always tried to get into those, even though it meant long flights and long time away from home.
 
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:22 am

Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 18):
Given the incredible premium status accorded the AA A321 F cabin, I'd be perturbed as well. Those times when I have been in F on a 757 using L2, with DL, the relative serenity of the F cabin was a real enhancement of the experience.

I spent as much time as I could in the Flagship Lounge and boarded close to departure anyway, so it didn't bother me. And you are pretty protected from the aisle and people hitting you with their luggage on the A321 as F has wide aisles, the seats skew away from the aisle, and the hard shells keep the luggage in check.
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RE: AA A321 In SFO

Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:00 pm

On March 5 I saw them still boarding from 1L at LAX. Sorry, the picture is a little difficult to see.

http://i.imgur.com/T8IzMqZ.jpg

The first day of the 321T on SFO-JFK was yesterday.

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