MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 1

Devilfish · Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:53 am

Quoting ORL777 (Reply 16):
the last registered for flightradar24 says that aircraft is missing is 9M-MRO

Latest photo of the missing aircraft in the data base.....

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Prayers for the safety of all on board.

infinit · Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:53 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 40):
This aircraft was only 11 years old.

If it has crashed after a sudden failure at altitude, (no record of a mayday) then the options are quite limited.

1. Structural failure, (reply 26).

2. Weather.

3. Bomb, (but who has a grudge against Malaysia).

If there was a belly landing, how long would it float?.

Another avenue for investigation is the military tensions between China and the ASEAN states

There is the possibility of a miscalculation or a mistake.

Most of the heightened military activity is naval though

I just hope it doesn't affect the search and rescue efforts

Miami · Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:54 am

Thoughts and prayers are with everyone on board and their families. Hopefully this all turns out well and everyone is safe and sound.

Worst case scenario is that it crashed into the ocean. Let's all hope not.

A chopper is currently in search for 9M-MRO.

-Miami

802flyguy · Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:55 am

Quoting captaindoony (Reply 99):
Rumours starting to surface that it has landed in Nan Ming

link?

Again, everyone, PLEASE NO MORE IDLE SPECULATION!

PC12Fan · Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:55 am

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 93):

I do hear what your saying. I just hate some peoples views that immediately determine what's at fault when we don't even have one fact yet on it yet.

jetfuel · Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:56 am

1723 UTC 123 AM it went off radar at 35,000 feet over ocean

Mir · Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:57 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 86):
Could something from North Korea reached that far?

It would have to be a ballistic missile, and those aren't remotely accurate enough to hit a moving target, particularly one moving as fast as, and as relatively small as, an airliner. Plus, if anything was launched, we'd know.

I believe we can safely rule that out.

-Mir

wxmeddler · Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:57 am

It was dark at that time, 2 or 3 AM? Not much moonlight either.

kiwiinoz · Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:57 am

I don't know why people get upset about all the speculation. This is a site of aviation enthusiasts. We are not CNN. We are not accountable to fact check everything we say.i think it is perfectly normal for a group like this to bounce around all sorts of theories, (as enthusiasts on any topic would do)

RDUDDJI · Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:58 am

I noticed this tidbit in the Sydney Morning Herald. If true, it's an interesting coincidence. Not sure what crash they're referring to...

"The missing plane is believed to have been involved in a crash in August, 2012, when it damaged the tail of a China Eastern Airlines plane at Shanghai Pudong Airport, according to unconfirmed reports.

In the incident, the tip of the wing of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 broke off."

http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia...ngers-on-board-20140308-hvgnx.html

tonytifao · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:00 am

What time is it in the area right now?

Victr · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:01 am

watch fox news supposedly a news conference is coming soon

koruman · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:01 am

Firstly, I hope that a miracle may happen.

Secondly, there is a significant political context at both ends of this flight. We all know about the separatist movement in western China and the Kunming railway massacre this week. But yesterday a court convicted Malaysia's main opposition leader of sodomy charges which have been widely criticised inside and outside Malaysia.

So if there has been a disaster there are political as well as mechanical hypotheses which need to be evaluated.

TWA772LR · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:01 am

CNN states it went missing in Vietnamese airspace.

wxmeddler · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:03 am

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 110):

UTC -7 so 9 AM. 12 hours different from East coast USA,

747megatop · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:04 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 90):
Sounds pretty conclusive on your part to me. Care to share what your cause is when we don't even know what happened yet?

Safety record as in having no fatilities (i am not saying that the aircraft is unsafe per se). All i am saying is that there has been a hull loss with a fatality in the case of OZ and POTENTIALLY (potentially being the keyword) in the MH case. That is all there is to it in my post when i said that the safety record of having NO fatalities on the 777 has ended with the OZ crash. Cause is a different ballgame as the OZ crash final report is not yet out.

AF447 loss does not make the aircraft unsafe perse but when folks (including pilots) talk of it in loose terms say that yes, there has been an A330 hull loss with fatalities so it does not have a 100% safety record.

[Edited 2014-03-07 18:04:47]

And finally, since you mentioned i seemed to know the cause, looks like you did not read what i posted earlier

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 49):
But folks...too early to speculate (but my inner gut feeling says "lost contact" is not good since the Aircraft sould have surfaced somewhere now).

[Edited 2014-03-07 18:12:05]

ltbewr · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:05 am

This is likely a terrible tragedy from what we know at this time. Has there been any signs of debris yet?

On MSNBC at about 9:01 PM, they used a photo of a MH 777 from Airliners.net taken by Jonathan Mayer.

ColAvionLover · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:05 am

Quoting hivue (Reply 88):
Just FYI for anyone interested: according to Wikipedia the Gulf Of Thailand has a mean depth of 45M and a max depth of 80M

This might be kind of good. At least, for chances of survival, considering they water-landed and even for the rescue of the CVR and FDR.

ArmitageShanks · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:06 am

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 108):
I don't know why people get upset about all the speculation.

Because it makes them feel superior to be the "sober mind" among rabid speculation. This is an aviation forum and discussion and rumor in a thread like this is normal and needed.

hivue · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:06 am

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 108):
I don't know why people get upset about all the speculation.

I think people get upset about the crazy wild speculations. This event may have a bizarre cause, but with no info now the best speculations would be things like pressurization accident, jet aircraft upset at high altitude, etc.

crimsonchin · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:07 am

Someone just told me there are some people on twitter saying it made an emergency landing in China? It's off twitter though, so take it with a grain of salt.

PC12Fan · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:07 am

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 115):

Duly noted.

It's safe to say we both are extremely hoping for the very best.

XFSUgimpLB41X · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:09 am

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 49):
4. Stall [AF 447 for example]

Satellite shows clear. They were not in the same dangerous tropical thunderstorm conditions as AF 447.

Miami · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:09 am

CNN is live and reporting on Flight 370.
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/cvptve/cvpstream1.html

kiwiinoz · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:10 am

Quoting armitageshanks (Reply 118):

I agree. I really want to hear every crazy theory out there. One of them is going to be right. If I want confirmed facts, I will go to a news site. Anet gives us something a little more in these situations

TwoFourLeft · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:10 am

Via CNN:

"[retired AA pilot] said the plane is 'about as sophisticated as any commercial airplane could possibly be,' with an excellent safety record.

There is one recent blemish: An Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 carrying 291 passengers struck a seawall at San Francisco International Airport in July 2013, killing three people and wounding dozens more."

Even news is trying to get people to jump to conclusions. Nothing about OZ214 had anything to do with the safety of the 777. Not to mention this is an entirely different situation.

Norcal773 · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:10 am

The idiot Pierce Morgan just said the Boeing 777-200ER can fly for 18 hours non-stop. Of course it can, empty! At least Richard Quest is more knowledgeable.

Let's hope for a good outcome to this as unlikely as that sounds- Thoughts and prayers with family of those on-board and those on-board.

[Edited 2014-03-07 18:22:05]

jetfuel · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:11 am

unconfirmed sources say it was GPS and communication instruments malfunction. the eagle has SAFELY landed tho at Nanning China. information status ALPHA. Press conference at 1030 am Malaysian time. standby for reconfirmation

aerobalance · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:12 am

When an aircraft is 'lost' at cruise altitude - the safest phase of flight - it's natural to speculate at this early time.
Time will find a cause for this missing aircraft but now speculation is natural.

jreuschl · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:12 am

AlJazeera supposedly reporting it landed in Naning. We can hope for this miracle.

hOMSaR · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:13 am

Quoting hivue (Reply 119):
Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 108):
I don't know why people get upset about all the speculation.

I think people get upset about the crazy wild speculations. This event may have a bizarre cause, but with no info now the best speculations would be things like pressurization accident, jet aircraft upset at high altitude, etc.

Part of the problem with wild speculation is that it tends to drown out actual facts. It makes discussions like this difficult to follow, especially since nowadays, any major incident is going to grow to a 250+ post thread (in 2, 3 or 4 parts) within a day or so.

tonytifao · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:13 am

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 126):
The idiot Pierce Morgan just said the owing 777-200ER can fly for 18 hours non-stop. Of course it can, empty! At least Richard Quest is more knowledgeable.

Let's hope for a good outcome to this as unlikely as that sounds- Thoughts and prayers with family of those on-board and those on-board.

Piers is the most ignorant person in TV. Glad CNN is cutting him

2008matt · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:13 am

Surely if it had made a landing somewhere we would know about it by now, has been a number of hours now.

CaliAtenza · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:14 am

just reading the thread over at reddit and people are saying the flight has landed in Nanming apparently...some rumors are going around.

Miami · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:14 am

Reports say that it should have lost all fuel by now.. Not good at all.

Longhornmaniac · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:15 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 127):

Emphasis on unconfirmed.

Cheers,
Cameron

kiwiinoz · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:15 am

Yeah, you would have thought one of the pilots would have phoned headquarters by now if they had landed. Unless maybe they were detained? In any case, we will know within an hour whether that rumor is true

Accidentally · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:16 am

Geez...CNN Graphic continually showing "Bowing 777"

aerobalance · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:16 am

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 126):

You missed the part when he said it's fueled for half that on this flight.

TwoFourLeft · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:17 am

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 132):
Surely if it had made a landing somewhere we would know about it by now, has been a number of hours now.

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 132):

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 136):

Also, MH said they had sent search and rescue teams out. Doesn't sound like it landed safely.
Sad

[Edited 2014-03-07 18:18:10]

hivue · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:17 am

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 132):
Surely if it had made a landing somewhere we would know about it by now, has been a number of hours now.

And apparently Malaysia has launched SAR.

KirkSeattle · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:17 am

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 126):
The idiot Pierce Morgan just said the owing 777-200ER can fly for 18 hours non-stop. Of course it can, empty! At least Richard Quest is more knowledgeable.

He is an idiot, I agree. However, I think Richard Quest has really done a good job on his research over the years. He got flamed a while back for mis-reporting an accident (I forgot which one).

Also, I wish CNN would correct their map or at least footnote it. It gives the impression of the flight path, which I don't believe is correct (based on what I read here).

It's around 9am in Vietnam, the area others have speculated. If it was over water, off the coast, I certainly hope for the best. But being at night, situational awareness would be tough with a dark sky and dark water.

I hope for the best.

KirkSeattle.

reality · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:18 am

Quoting TwoFourLeft (Reply 125):
Even news is trying to get people to jump to conclusions. Nothing about OZ214 had anything to do with the safety of the 777. Not to mention this is an entirely different situation.

CNN also has said that no one knows what has happened. They have repeatedly said that the 777 has a very good safety record.

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 126):
The idiot Pierce Morgan just said the owing 777-200ER can fly for 18 hours non-stop.

He said that and then he immediately said that this particular plane had enough fuel for 7 1/2 hours of flight. He is not an idiot!

Why is everyone so down on the news media? Typical a-net news media bashing. The news media seems to be more credible and less speculative than a-net.

2008matt · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:19 am

BBC News just reported that Chinese authorities say the plane never entered their airspace.

xiaotung · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:19 am

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 133):

just reading the thread over at reddit and people are saying the flight has landed in Nanming apparently...some rumors are going around.

Why would Nanning keep it from the world if it were true? Nanning is not a small place and in this day and age, it's just impossible.

romeobravo · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:19 am

china has denied tracking the flight. highly unlikely it's landed in NNG which is only an hour away from the last position.

unfortunately some person is probably playing a cruel trick.

richierich · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:20 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 127):

unconfirmed sources say it was GPS and communication instruments malfunction. the eagle has SAFELY landed tho at Nanning China. information status ALPHA. Press conference at 1030 am Malaysian time. standby for reconfirmation

And they don't have phones in Nanning?

trex8 · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:21 am

Quoting TwoFourLeft (Reply 139):
Also, MH said they had sent search and rescue teams out.

No wonder they are broke, they run their own SAR ??? The Malaysian and/or Vietnamese authorities have probably activated their SAR resources.

LipeGIG · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:21 am

If it was landed in an airport, why not to contact their HQ as this is going on press now for 2 hours at least, and it lost contact more than 7 hours ago. GPS and other failures do not mean telephone failure.

Sorry, it didn't make sense.

zkncj · Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:22 am

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 136):
Yeah, you would have thought one of the pilots would have phoned headquarters by now if they had landed. Unless maybe they were detained? In any case, we will know within an hour whether that rumor is true

If it was say hijacked, probably not likely....

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