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Quoting Fallap (Reply 1): As an aircraft technician (student) I'm somewhat surprised that you can make such an extensive repair to the wing. I thought a whole new wing would have been needed. I departed PEK today 1335 local time on SU with quite some mixed feelings. I hope they'll find something soon, for the sake of the relatives:-( |
Quote: In a terse statement, the carrier said it ticketed one Chinese, two Ukrainians, an Austrian, an Italian, one Dutch person and a Malaysian for the flight. |
Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 30): Yes, also if the 40 minutes of flight timeline is correct the aircraft would be reaching top of climb which is where you would expect a barometric pressure activated device to detonate. |
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Quoting Fallap (Reply 1): As an aircraft technician (student) I'm somewhat surprised that you can make such an extensive repair to the wing. I thought a whole new wing would have been needed. |
Quoting Surfpunk (Reply 3): As a student technician, you should at least know that aircraft structures are a series of panels, sections and ribs, which make up the unit as a whole (in this case, the wing). Since these sections are riveted together, the affected section(s) can have the rivets drilled out from the damaged area, and have new component parts either fabricated at depot, or shipped from the manufacturer. I did this a lot on military aircraft when I was in the US Navy. Jet blast deflector plates on A-6 Intruders were especially common, and those we fabricated right in the shop. |
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 6): This was published in thread 3 #186 by vfw614: From AVHERALD: "Aviation sources in China report that radar data suggest a steep and sudden descent of the aircraft, during which the track of the aircraft changed from 024 degrees to 333 degrees. " Has anyone read or found anything more about that suggestion ? |
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 5): The two passengers with stolen passports were among the only 7 PAX who were ticketed with China Southern instead of MAS. |
Quoting vfw614: Looks as if three of the cabin crew were Chinese. |
Quoting Surfpunk (Reply 3): As a student technician, you should at least know that aircraft structures are a series of panels, sections and ribs, which make up the unit as a whole (in this case, the wing). Since these sections are riveted together, the affected section(s) can have the rivets drilled out from the damaged area, and have new component parts either fabricated at depot, or shipped from the manufacturer. I did this a lot on military aircraft when I was in the US Navy. Jet blast deflector plates on A-6 Intruders were especially common, and those we fabricated right in the shop. |
Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 7): From the thread no. 3 Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 30): Yes, also if the 40 minutes of flight timeline is correct the aircraft would be reaching top of climb which is where you would expect a barometric pressure activated device to detonate. The take-off weight of this flight was likely to be sub 230t. At 230t, it will take less than 20min for a GE90 777 to climb to FL350. A RR powered 777 will match or perhaps even better this. |
Quoting Steelyman (Reply 16): You're right, but don't forget that apart from the visible part of damage, there is an invisible part as well which could end up in a catastrophic fatigue later on. The stress of that damage have gone much further than what initially expected and IIRC a wing is a primary structure and therefore in these cases more attention should be paid. I remember some cases of damage of fuselage structure but as long as the damage was done in a secondary structure and under certain parameters of size and deepness it were much less critical than in primary structures, which required a full change and extensive check of the even non damaged area... |
Quoting Beta (Reply 257): Assuming the wreckage will be found, and all the relevant mechanical parts are recovered, the question is: Who will provide the bulk of the technical investigation? |
Quoting Beta (Reply 257): 2. Malaysia/Singapore: Malaysia probably has jurisdiction over the investigation, but can they do it? I don't know if Malaysia is in better position than Vietnam to do this sort of thing. |
Quoting Beta (Reply 257): The added bonus is the Brits would appear less "sensitive" to the PRC's pride. |
Quoting Beta (Reply 257): 5. US: no question about the equipments and experiences, and the willingness to aid. But probably a bit too "sensitive" to the Chinese. |
Quoting ajhYXE (Reply 22): How much damage could an uncontained engine failure cause in a worst-case scenario (i.e. worse than UA232 or QF32)? Does it have potential to bring down an aircraft with little or no opportunity to recover? |
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 5): The two passengers with stolen passports were among the only 7 PAX who were ticketed with China Southern instead of MAS |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 20): Malysia will lead, China and US will do their own investigation while working with Malysian authorities IMO. |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 20): China would not have a say on how involved the US is in this process and I am not even that sure it would be that big of a deal anyway. This wouldn't be the Chinese asking the US for help as the aircraft is US made the FAA will be heavily involved regardless and as the aircraft operates extensively in the US the FAA will be involved. I bet they are already en-route if not on-site. tortugamon |
Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 29): Here, with water depths of 50 to 80 meters, a sonar wouldn't be that helpful. |
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 28): |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 20): Malysia will lead, China and US will do their own investigation while working with Malaysian authorities IMO. |
Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 30): also US citizens were on board; wouldn't that trigger an automatic NTSB involvement? |
Quoting 802flyguy (Reply 32): Is location of the crash in Vietnamese waters? If so, Vietnam wouldn't have primary control of the investigation, with involvement from Malaysia, the US, and the UK? If it was international waters, Malaysia authorities would take the lead. |
Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 29): Here, with water depths of 50 to 80 meters, a sonar wouldn't be that helpful. Would they sweep the ocean using P-3 Orion aircraft using magnetic anomaly detectors? |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 23): Absolutely. RR will insist on it. |
Quoting David L (Reply 31): I have to ask... why wouldn't it be helpful? |
Quoting harim (Reply 27): Probably irrelevant to the aircraft's disappearance - 2 passengers on-board were not the legitimate passport owners: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...using-stolen-passports-say-reports To go to PRC with passport not belonging to the owner - generally falls in following categories: 1 - Person is travelling with knowledge of the Chinese authorities 2 - Person is travelling under sponsorship of an external agency (unlikely - a new password will be granted instead of a stolen one) 3 - A criminal (why?) |
Quoting David L (Reply 31): I have to ask... why wouldn't it be helpful? |
Quoting cjg225 (Reply 35): How clear is the water? Might be able to see it |
Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 39): |
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 28): I don't mean to be rude, but this has been brought up first approx. 600 posts earlier in Part 2 and since been discussed ad nauseam. |
Quoting dtfg (Reply 38): And it was newly reported that one Russian guy appeared on the name list was NOT the passport owner. The owner also lost his passport before, and was not on board MH370. |
Quoting rampart (Reply 43): I agree, but perhaps the moderators, starting the new thread, or the first poster in the new thread, could post a quick 5 bullet points of the items most discussed in the previous thread(s). |
Quoting cjg225 (Reply 37): I'm not sure, either. I'd think sidescanning sonar would be plenty helpful, even at that depth. It's used at shallow depths for mapping channels for dredging. |
Quoting dtfg (Reply 38): And it was newly reported that one Russian guy appeared on the name list was NOT the passport owner. The owner also lost his passport before, and was not on board MH370. |
Quoting holzmann (Reply 44): Regarding the false identities/passports. Could it be that China brought it down to ensure foreign operatives didn't make it into China. Stir the pot a bit... |