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Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:39 pm

Has the aerial search resumed, now that its morning?
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:42 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 198):
I thought I just read that the nearest plane was too far away? Reply 170 gives it as 86nm.

He doesn't say it was too far away, however one has to consider whether the pilot, from his vantage point, could have seen it if he was looking outside and in the right direction.

One day, during day light and when airliners produce contrails, try following one ( a wide-body is easier) with your naked eyes as far as you can see it and check on FlightRadar how far away it is from you.
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:44 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 171):
Why wouldn't it be heard by anyone else?

Probably because it didn't happen. Any frequency the aircraft would transmit on should be monitored by either ATC or other aircraft (or perhaps both). Also, I would expect that a US facility would get word out significantly faster than that. That report strikes me as a piece of false information.

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Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:48 pm

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 199):
One thing that got into my head is that perhaps MH370 could have been brought down by something like a meteor. The planet gets hit every day by them even though most of them are small they are traveling 20,000 miles an hour or faster.

This is very unlikely but it is possible. If you recall there was one recorded in Russia relatively recently and that didn't hit anything but could easily rip a 777 in half.

Video below if anyone forgets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztrU90Ub4Uw

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 190):
But of course it depends on the state of the aircraft, if it has exploded in millions of pieces or not.

It would have broken up into a million pieces regardless whether or not it happened at 35,000 feet or on impact with the water has yet to be determined.

Also I echo my condolences to the families and friends of the victims  .

While possible, I would think that a meteor strike would be a very, very remote cause of this incident.
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:49 pm

With regard to having time to send a message or talk to ATC, a good example of a catastrophic failure at cruise where the pilots DID communicate with ATC is Aloha 243. The first officer communicated their intent to descend and attempt to land on Maui while the captain was descending to lower altitude.

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Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:52 pm

We are approaching 7am in Vietnam so hopefully we will have some news once the sun has risen.
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:53 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 194):
Galley structures are not subject to the same loads as verticals and can be made from foam core material less dense than water, allowing it to float.

I doubt anyone is using significant foam core panel construction in 777 galleys.

Most often Nomex (or similar) honeycomb core with Kevlar (or similar) skins.

That said, broken chunks will float, an entire galley maybe not depending on trapped air.
 
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Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:53 pm

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 199):

Remember the LAN flight in 2007?

From a news source:

An Auckland-bound jetliner came close to being hit by blazing pieces of what is thought to have been a Russian satellite hurtling into New Zealand airspace.

However, Nasa said today it was convinced the flaming objects were not from a satellite and space experts said it could have been a meteor.

Aviation authorities are investigating how flaming wreckage thundered close to the Lan Chile Airlines Airbus A340 flying from Santiago, Chile, on Tuesday night.

The debris was so close to the aircraft that the pilot could hear the roar it made as it broke the sound barrier.

The alarmed Airbus pilot notified Auckland Oceanic Centre after seeing flaming space junk shooting across the sky about five nautical miles in front of and behind his plane at about 10pm.

At the aircraft's cruising speed of 880km/h it was within about 40 seconds of a potential catastrophe.

According to a planespotter who was tuning in to a high-frequency radio broadcast at the time, the pilot "reported that the rumbling noise from the space debris could be heard over the noise of the aircraft".
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:15 am

A bomb sounds more likely than structural failure or space-junk...
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:16 am

Apparently the FBI is investigating the crash:
http://www.latimes.com/world/worldno...0308,0,5571373.story#axzz2vQ4QTtx2

Quoting B747forever (Reply 193):
I agree. I have heard "aviate, navigate, communicate" here on A.net, but unless things evolve rapidly, which seems to have been the case here, I have a hard time believing that pilots wont try to communicate their emergency. Remember BA38 at LHR? Even though they lost their engines at a critical point, they were able to send a short message to ATC.

I agree. I would imagine that if they know something was very wrong they would communicate it if they could.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:18 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 209):
The alarmed Airbus pilot notified Auckland Oceanic Centre after seeing flaming space junk shooting across the sky about five nautical miles in front of and behind his plane at about 10pm.

When you stop and examine it that is still pretty far away. Yes, it could happen, but I would put this in one of the least likely causes.

If in fact the distress call is bogus, it still leaves a bomb as the most likely scenario, although perhaps a little less likely. But the oil slick definitely means that at least the wings were intact when it hit, and the length of the slick indicates to me that it was still traveling fast horizontally when it hit, so that implies that it was under some semblance of control.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:22 am

"Another U.S. law enforcement official said Interpol keeps a registry of lost and stolen passports that major international airlines routinely check before passengers board a flight. It would be unusual for a passenger on a major airline such as Malaysian Airways to be able to board using a stolen passport, he said."

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldno...0308,0,5571373.story#ixzz2vQ7k8QKQ
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:29 am

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 212):
the length of the slick indicates to me that it was still traveling fast horizontally when it hit

It indicates to me that the current moved and dispersed the "slick" over the course of several hours.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:34 am

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 176):
A small bomb carried into the passenger compartment could cause enough damage to cripple the plane, but not produce a fireball.

Pan Am 103 was blown up by a bomb inside a small radio and it created a huge fireball.

The fireball was not the result of the initial explosion, but the breakup that happened within 4 seconds of the initial blast. As the plane broke up, the fuel hit the atmosphere and aerosolized, then ignited.

It's kind of academic right now as regardless, it seems no one saw any fireball. But there could have been one; it just might not have been seen. It's still possible that the authorities have not found all potential witnesses, though; when there's a possible explosion at 35,000 feet, that's a huge radius of potential witnesses. If the weather was clear, that could be hundreds of miles in any direction with potential witnesses.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:38 am

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 213):
"Another U.S. law enforcement official said Interpol keeps a registry of lost and stolen passports that major international airlines routinely check before passengers board a flight. It would be unusual for a passenger on a major airline such as Malaysian Airways to be able to board using a stolen passport, he said."

But it clearly happened.

Quoting hivue (Reply 214):
It indicates to me that the current moved and dispersed the "slick" over the course of several hours.

That is another possibility, and perhaps a better explanation than mine. The fact that it is two separate slicks says to me that they come from the two wings, which is why I speculated that the plane was still moving horizontally when it hit. If the current was responsible for its length I would have thought that the two slicks would have merged.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:55 am

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 212):

There was also the Air China 757 which suffered nose cone damage after colliding with a 'foreign object' at 26,000ft last year. There were suggestions at the time that the 757 might have collided with a drone...

I agree that a bomb would be more likely. However, I have departed KL on MH international flights more than a dozen times and there has been additional security / bag checks to pass through prior to boarding the aircraft each time so I would be surprised if a pax managed to get a bomb past all the security there unless their security procedures have changed in more recent times.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:04 am

Quoting trex8 (Reply 96):
Do the PRC authorities, like the US, request airlines provide passenger id before the flight?

Yes. However in this case the pax boarded in Malaysia, which also requests ID.

Quoting lh648 (Reply 101):
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 104):
Also, daily beast has a good article about how we still use 1960s technology (black boxes) when newer technology exists.

There's simply not enough satcom capacity in the world if ALL airliners will transmit ALL the data back to HQs.

Indeed, and recorders today are rather different from ones in the 60s.

From previous thread:

FlyingTurtle: The ELT uses VHF only? Answer: The newer ones also use satcom on 406MHz.

Flyingturtle: How is the ELT activated? By a loss of electricity, and then the ELT uses its own battery? Answer: Loss of power, G-force (impact) or switch in the cockpit. Internal battery afte that.

na: Sure, but one wonders why a plane doesnt have an emergency button like any bank cashier has it, which is then automatically sending out a distress message. Or a device that in such case automatically starts radio transmission from the cockpit. I mean, that a latest technology airliner despite all the hightech on board can disappear for 20 hours without no one knowing for sure if it has crashed, kidnapped or landed somewhere else is unacceptable. Answer: An emergency button still takes time and more importantly mental capacity to use. In any case there is a button of sorts, the ELT switch.


Justloveplanes: What is the rate of change of altitude and velocity that can be inferred from the tracking map? Is the data there and is it commensurate with free fall or with some thing that has some kind of lift remaining as it goes forward? Answer: Transponder data is not like Formula 1 telemetry. It is not guaranteed accurate or gap-free. We can tell the plane changed direction and altitude, but it is hard to infer accurate numbers.


cx828: Why do they still use the MH 370 today to beijing, just departed and on the way to yesterday incident point, should't they change the flight number?? Answer: Changing the flight number on short notice would wreak havoc with existing bookings. In any case changing the flight number is by no means always done after an accident.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:07 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 217):
I would be surprised if a pax managed to get a bomb past all the security there unless their security procedures have changed in more recent times

or it was compromised..?
or this was a result of something else in the cargo bay that caused an unintended explosion..?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:11 am

I agree that a bomb or intentional nose dive seem to be the strongest possibilities. I noticed one Ukraine citizen was on the manifest. Not saying it's odd, but seeing current events has me wondering. And recently the toothpaste scare. Hmmmmmm.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:17 am

Just saw the Malaysian Aviation Authority news conference ...no new answers and the spokesman said no abnormal data was received.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:19 am

I have to agree with 802flyguy in that www.straitstimes.com has the absolute best coverage right now. Not much else to be said.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:27 am

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 221):
the spokesman said no abnormal data was received.

Does this mean data (ACARS) was received but it was not abnormal or does it mean no data at all was received?
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:35 am

Quoting hivue (Reply 223):
Does this mean data (ACARS) was received but it was not abnormal or does it mean no data at all was received?

he didn't seem clear at all when he answered the question. All he said was yes we have that type of system and no, we did not receive any abnormal data. I watched it live on BBC. The aviation authority probably is as clueless as we are, maybe more.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:39 am

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 224):
All he said was yes we have that type of system

So possibly they do have ACARS. Interesting, especially if they really did not see anything abnormal transmitted.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:41 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 209):
Remember the LAN flight in 2007?

Actually I didn't know about this incident. Taking into account the number of daily flights all over the world and the fact that meteors, although rarely, still do penetrate the atmosphere from time to time, it was due to happen sooner or later.

Someone did suggest the "meteor theory" early in the first or second thread and we kinda did agree it's possible, but extremely remote. I would keep it that way for now, for the simple reason that the wreckage has still not been found.

But yes, in general, although probably in thousands or rather millions of decimal points, the possibility that a meteor hit the 777 does exist and is probable.
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Quoting hivue (Reply 225):

So possibly they do have ACARS. Interesting, especially if they really did not see anything abnormal transmitted

yeah that is interesting. Also, shouldn't the rescue ships/planes have picked up the pingers of the black boxes by now?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:44 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 218):
na: Sure, but one wonders why a plane doesnt have an emergency button like any bank cashier has it, which is then automatically sending out a distress message. Or a device that in such case automatically starts radio transmission from the cockpit. I mean, that a latest technology airliner despite all the hightech on board can disappear for 20 hours without no one knowing for sure if it has crashed, kidnapped or landed somewhere else is unacceptable. Answer: An emergency button still takes time and more importantly mental capacity to use. In any case there is a button of sorts, the ELT switch.

I thought about this some more, and I really can't see the use of an "emergency button". If the crew is so busy with aviate and navigate that they don't have time for a mayday call, then they don't have time to press an emergency button either. Besides, what good would this button do them? Does it increase their chances of not crashing or making an emergency landing? Not really. All it would do is hopefully alert someone to the problem. This happens anyway when contact is lost or soon after. And if there is no one around to hear a distress call, such as in oceanic airspace far from other planes, there's no one around to hear an ELT or other emergency transmission either.

Having said that, the fact that the aircraft was at cruise and no mayday call was made, nor a transponder set to 7700, indicates that what happened was either so swift and catastrophic there was no time to react or so serious that the pilots were busy fighting all the way down like Alaska Airlines 261. (Yes, I know the Alaska Airlines 261 crew made radio calls but only when they seemingly had time to do so. They did not make any during the final plunge.)

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:47 am

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 215):

Pan Am 103 was blown up by a bomb inside a small radio and it created a huge fireball.

But that would have been from the fuel igniting. That is not a given; depending on the size of the bomb and its placement it could breach the fuselage but not the fuel tanks. I believe the bomb in PA103 was in the forward baggage compartment, and likely breached the center fuel tank, and hence the fireball. The existence of a large oil (fuel) slick says that the fuel did not ignite, and hence no fireball.

As to how the bomb (if it was a bomb) got on board, any competent terrorist can get by just about any security if he is determined enough. They will examine the existing security and figure out how to get something past it. There is always the possibility of cooperation of an employee. There is no such thing as foolproof security.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:50 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 208):
I doubt anyone is using significant foam core panel construction in 777 galleys.

Most often Nomex (or similar) honeycomb core with Kevlar (or similar) skins.

That said, broken chunks will float, an entire galley maybe not depending on trapped air.

I agree. My point was that a vertical tail made out of composite isn't guaranteed to float and that galley structure was more likely to do so.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:50 am

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 229):
The existence of a large oil (fuel) slick

Maybe I've missed something. Has a "large oil (fuel) slick" actually been verified. I've just seen one photo from a long way off which a marine scientist on this forum has suggested is a cyanobacteria bloom.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:52 am

If I see another article using a picture of a Malaysian A380 or 737, I think I'll go mad. This is so misleading and they can and should take the extra two seconds to do better for the readers they are informing.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:02 am

Quoting milestones787 (Reply 232):

If I see another article using a picture of a Malaysian A380 or 737, I think I'll go mad. This is so misleading and they can and should take the extra two seconds to do better for the readers they are informing.

Crap coverage always comes up and the moderators have even addressed it. Yes, the press is not perfect. However most likely the readers can't tell the difference either, nor care. I know that doesn't make it right but we have to remember that we are a rather tiny minority which is actually interested at this level.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:15 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 217):
I agree that a bomb would be more likely. However, I have departed KL on MH international flights more than a dozen times and there has been additional security / bag checks to pass through prior to boarding the aircraft each time so I would be surprised if a pax managed to get a bomb past all the security there unless their security procedures have changed in more recent times.

I traveled on MAS via KUL in January and February. I found security tight and as you have suggested, there was a further security scanning booth before entering the seated departure room at the gate. I doubt if something entered via hand baggage. If terrorists have found another way of getting an explosive device on board a flight, then unfortunately we are going to be lumbered with even further tightening of security with restrictions on what we can carry when we fly in the future.

As I stated way back in part 2 (so far back I cannot remember which part!), there was no separating of liquids however into clear plastic size restricted bags separated from hand baggage like we must do in the UK. Bottles/liquids remained inside hand baggage when put into x-ray scanners. The Philippines was the same in this regard. I don't know if this would make it somewhat easier to get liquids onto a flight out of Kuala Lumpur.

If indeed a viable explosive device brought down this flight, then I suspect an 'inside' job. This is why we need answers very quickly so that any possible person(s) involved can be neutralized before something further occurs. Although I could say more, I don't want to speculate any further on this matter as a deliberate act may not at all be the cause here.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:16 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 198):
And how many passengers do you think know that? Have seen several times how passengers are confused about code shares. Clearly remember a few months ago a couple at TBIT (LAX) looking for their Iberia flight to JFK. Had to tell them they were flying with AA out of T4.

Sorry. Wasn't trying to imply the average passenger would know that. But I would think the average anet-er would know that, so it was more in response to the poster than the average passenger. I agree with you whole-heartedly there.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:29 am

Not sure if this is already up, but I just saw this:

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general...3%2F7.502513%2F7.576448%2F7.576448
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:32 am

Here come the hypoxia theories.........
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:37 am

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 237):
Here come the hypoxia theories.........

Well except for the fact you would have had radar coverage of at least a partial decent if it was just incapacitated crew.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:39 am

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 236):
Not sure if this is already up, but I just saw this:

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general...76448

Interesting. That makes it sound like it's something other than terrorism, which I hope it is. And of course, I hope there are survivors out there as well...   
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:39 am

Quoting osiris30 (Reply 238):

Agreed. And a good point.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:40 am

Here's update from Vietnam local news agencies:
http://vnexpress.net/tin-tuc/thoi-su...-van-vet-dau-loang-2961240-p2.html
Helicopters have moved from Ho Chi Minh city to Ca Mau for search and rescue

http://vnexpress.net/tin-tuc/thoi-su...ghi-van-vet-dau-loang-2961240.html
The AN-26 have reached and continue searching

http://tuoitre.vn/chinh-tri-xa-hoi/5...hien-vet-dau-loang.html#ad-image-0
Total 13 aircrafts, 29 ships
Update: not only oil sleak, smoke is detected

http://www.thanhnien.com.vn/pages/20...ghi-may-bay-malaysia-mat-tich.aspx
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:42 am

Quoting osiris30 (Reply 238):
Well except for the fact you would have had radar coverage of at least a partial decent if it was just incapacitated crew.

If there was radar coverage of the area.

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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4

Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:45 am

Quoting gulfstream650 (Reply 237):
Here come the hypoxia theories.........

Quite.

I don't give hypoxia much credence with current information. The aircraft would have been on autopilot in LNAV/VNAV. Even without pilots, it would have proceeded obediently along the route entered in the FMC. The transponder would have stayed on, allowing tracking over Vietnam and onwards, not to mention primary radar tracking. If the pilots hadn't responded to radio or datalink calls on control area handover, aircraft would have been sent up to intercept.


Speculation followeth:
The "mumbling" might indicate hypoxia. Speculating here, but the pilots could have disconnected the autopilot and initiated an emergency descent, but lost consciousness on the way. That might point at some issue with the cockpit oxygen system since if the were able to start an emergency descent they had to have put the masks on first or lost consciousness very quickly. Possible but doesn't seem very likely.
End speculation.
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4

Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:46 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 242):
If there was radar coverage of the area.

Nit pick... Radar, ADSB, etc. some form of positioning data.
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4

Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:47 am

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 236):
http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general...3%2F7.502513%2F7.576448%2F7.576448

There was a Malaysia Airlines A330 (KUL-KIX) which was ahead but a lot closer to MH370...
I wonder why Vietnamese ATC didn't ask this crew instead.
 
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4

Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:48 am

God Bless their souls, another plane tragedy with one of the most sophisticated Boeing jetliners in history...the 777. We'll have to wait until wreckage is found + the CVR and FDR boxes to determine what exactly happened. I'm sure Boeing, the FAA, and NTSB have been dispatched since its an American made airliner.
 
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4

Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:50 am

Going to sleep now (UK). Hopefully next day will bring news of discovery of crash area, and I'm sure this will be on part 5! I've read every single post on all four parts but they contain very little of consequence other than speculation. We're no further ahead thus far.
 
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4

Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:01 am

Quoting vietcolin (Reply 241):
not only oil sleak, smoke is detected

I've seen that report about "smoke" too, which makes absolutely no sense. Smoke both rises and disperses pretty quickly. As it's doing so, it's pretty easy to pinpoint its source. Smoke comes out continuously until it stops. Once it stops, it dissipates in the air. If there's enough smoke that they can actually detect it, then they should be pretty much right on top of the wreckage. If there's so much smoke that they're actually detecting it even though they're *not* close to the wreckage, then they should be easily able to trace it back to its source given wind data.

So unless I see within the next 30 minutes that they've found the wreckage by tracing the smoke, I'm pretty much discounting that report. Either there's no smoke, or there is smoke and it's from somebody burning fish carcasses on a fishing boat.
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4

Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:02 am

I'm a little bit behind here, but I fly this airway quite frequently (from Singapore) and as someone has mentioned, very common to be held down for long periods of time. Very rarely do you get a straight climb to cruise.

All along the east cost of Malaysia and south Thailand there are, what appear to be, thousands of oil platforms and squid fishing boats every evening. While the fishing boats may not have good communications, I'm surprised that one of the oil rigs wouldn't have communicated if it had been seen...it all adds to this terrible mystery.

I'm flying to KUL today...will be a sombre mood.
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4

Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:12 am

So far all fisher men in the region have well informed to participate in to SAR. Until now, no any fisher man report any thing about MH370, they saw nothing...from mid night yesterday until now..
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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 4

Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:13 am

Quoting acabgd (Reply 226):
Actually I didn't know about this incident. Taking into account the number of daily flights all over the world and the fact that meteors, although rarely, still do penetrate the atmosphere from time to time, it was due to happen sooner or later.

Meteors hitting the earth are actually really common but I reckon most don't hit anything and are unseen. Furthermore even though there have been more planes in the air than ever they take up a very thin portion of the surface area of the planet and so do the areas where humans have settled.

Again I am not saying this is likely but when things like this happen but never rule out that it is possible that s*it just happens.
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