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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:37 am

Quoting kelebek (Reply 105):
Furthermore I am interested what those last segments (AMS-FRA and AMS-CPH) in the etix are for?

There are three flights on that itinerary, all confirmed with flight numbers KL1775 to FRA and KL1139 to CPH respectively.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:38 am

If it was a terrorist bombing and that's a big IF, then perhaps terrorist cell XYZ has performed a successful test run with a "formula" bomb. Cell XYZ now realizes that it has a working bomb that could be used aboard other flights. We have seen time and time again that terrorists have tried many times but failed thus far to plant bombs in shoes, underwear, liquids, etc that are to be detonated by a lunatic onboard. What if and as I said it's a big IF, MH 370 was the first victim of a possible string of future bombings?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:38 am

Also, I fully understand aviate, navigate, communicate, but why not immediately squawk 7700 immediately? It would take mere seconds and allow them to focus on aviate and navigate first (?)
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:39 am

AAExecPlat, why is the ticket receipt in Chinese if they were bought in Thailand? Something doesn't add up.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:40 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 147):
The first officers careerpath is interesting and very typical of the government owned malaysian enterprises of today though.

What do you mean by that?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:41 am

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 146):

Sorry, I confused Flightaware with Flightradar24.

Flightaware loses data earlier, just when 9M-MRO reaches 35K.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:47 am

Quoting ryu2 (Reply 153):

Every time I bought Flying Blue award ticket from AMS on KL, my ticket arrived in French and English.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:48 am

Quoting ryu2 (Reply 153):
AAExecPlat, why is the ticket receipt in Chinese if they were bought in Thailand? Something doesn't add up.

It was issued by CZ. Would make sense to me. I've flown on CZ, MU, and CA tons of times and have seen such etickets, even actually printed on old printer paper with holes that looks like that.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:49 am

Quoting dc863 (Reply 151):

yes i wouldnt be surprised by now if this is the case. Are there any results of the baggage or what was inside of it, cause i thought i read somewhere they would check the footage of the baggage.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:50 am

Quoting ryu2 (Reply 153):
AAExecPlat, why is the ticket receipt in Chinese if they were bought in Thailand? Something doesn't add up.

They were supposedly booked through China Southern, would that explain it?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:50 am

Saying mayday or setting 7700 does nothing to save the plane, we fly the plane first, why waste time that we cant get back?
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:51 am

Quoting macsid (Reply 152):

Also, I fully understand aviate, navigate, communicate, but why not immediately squawk 7700 immediately? It would take mere seconds and allow them to focus on aviate and navigate first (?)


Switching the transponder takes time and brain power better used for other things. I know it is counterintuitive in some cases but after a few emergency drills you learn to respect the aviate first rule.

Example Scenario 1: explosive decompression. Really no time for transponder fiddling at all.

Example scenario 2: AF447 where crew does not realize seriousness and buries itself in the problem. They had time to call mayday but by the end not so much.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:54 am

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 160):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 161):

Understood, guys. Thanks!
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:00 am

Quoting ryu2 (Reply 153):
AAExecPlat, why is the ticket receipt in Chinese if they were bought in Thailand? Something doesn't add up.
Quoting Coal (Reply 157):
It was issued by CZ

I can confirm it was issued by China Southern. The first three digits of the e ticket identify the issuing carrier.

for example:

001 = American Airlines
220 = Lufthansa
081 = Qantas

in this case 784 is China Southern.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:03 am

Quoting EVAAIRBR076 (Reply 158):
yes i wouldnt be surprised by now if this is the case. Are there any results of the baggage or what was inside of it, cause i thought i read somewhere they would check the footage of the baggage.

The investigators will look at everything from security camera footage to interviewing every single ramp person who had contact with 9H-MRO going back 24hrs before the flight took off.
Light debris or flotsam should be washing up onshore soon in southern Thailand. Heavier bits will have to be taken from the sea bed and pieced together in a hangar to ascertain if an explosive device went off inside the cabin. Seat cushions, seat frames, floor and wall panels will be looked over for any sort of fire/blast damage.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:11 am

Malaysia Airlines: "No new update as yet but the search & rescue teams are hard at work. Next tweet in an hour or two depending on developments."
https://twitter.com/MAS/status/442586625411788800

"MISSING MH370: Australia joined SAR mission: PM http://bit.ly/1nvitiP"
https://twitter.com/NST_Online/status/442586941192560640
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:11 am

But why has the search expanded to Malacca Strait?? It's on the other side of the peninsula!?
Could an airliner fly over the whole country without being detected??
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:14 am

As mentioned above, if you go to Saudi Airs website and put in the ticket number/last name you will pull up the reservation of the two suspicious passengers.

Interesting that they connect between a oneworld carrier to a sky team one at PEK.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:16 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 167):
Interesting that they connect between a oneworld carrier to a sky team one at PEK.

CZ, the codeshare they booked, is Skyteam.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:16 am

Quoting s5daw (Reply 166):
But why has the search expanded to Malacca Strait?? It's on the other side of the peninsula!?
Could an airliner fly over the whole country without being detected??

If it can't be ruled out with 100 percent certainty, then it might be worth a try, even if odds are low.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:18 am

Quoting s5daw (Reply 166):
But why has the search expanded to Malacca Strait?? It's on the other side of the peninsula!?
Could an airliner fly over the whole country without being detected??

Maybe if it turned the transponder off. You'd still have primary radar so it really depends on coverage.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:20 am

Also a reminder that fake passports isn't exactly unknown of in Asia. When Air India crashed in 2010 they had somewhere between 10-20 persons onboard with fake passports. Their families even got compensation. In that case it was Indian migrants that used fake passports since most UAE employers lock away their migrant labourers travel documents.

What travel agency have issued the tickets? Where is it located?
My guess, Pattaya. The dodgiest of the dodgy places for westerners that reside in thailand and a place that draws evey kind of shady character and small criminal Europe has.

[Edited 2014-03-09 01:22:00]
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:22 am

Quoting ryu2 (Reply 168):
CZ, the codeshare they booked, is Skyteam

But that is still a connection between oneworld and skyteam at PEK. Do CZ and MH have a code share agreement on KUL-PEK?
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:22 am

Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 169):
If it can't be ruled out with 100 percent certainty, then it might be worth a try, even if odds are low.

It's quite concerning that they can't rule this out or know for sure one way or another. It simply is not feasible that an airdraft could fly clear across the country and not be detected, regardless of whether its transponder was on or not.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:22 am

CCTV reporting Singapore Search vessel has found "suspicious floating objects."

Also being reported on Viet TV.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:26 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 171):
My guess, Pattaya. The dodgiest of the dodgy places for westerners that reside in thailand and a place that draws evey kind of shady character and small criminal Europe has.

The tickets were issued in Pattaya indeed (Six Stars Travel).
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:27 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 172):

Please read the thread. CZ codeshares on this flight.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:29 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 171):
What travel agency have issued the tickets? Where is it located?
My guess, Pattaya.

That would appear to be the case. Note PYX in this quote from AAEXPlat:

Quoting AAEXPlat (Reply 79):
GDS system.
E-ticket document: 784-2280116100 Passenger: MR. CHRISTIAN KOZEL Booking reference:
Issuing agent: 35306611
Issue place: PYX
Issue date: 06 March 2014 Trip status: Confirmed

E-ticket document: 784-2280116099 Passenger: MR. LUIGI MARALDI Booking reference:
Issuing agent: 35306611
Issue place: PYX
Issue date: 06 March 2014 Trip status: Confirmed
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:30 am

Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 174):

#MH370 Vietnam rescue authorities: suspicious floating object spotted 100km south-southwest of Tho Chu island. Sending vessels out to check

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ng-plane-investigation-widens-live
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:31 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 172):
But that is still a connection between oneworld and skyteam at PEK. Do CZ and MH have a code share agreement on KUL-PEK

Please read the thread above. CZ 748 = MH 370  

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:34 am

Quoting rdu2sfo (Reply 173):

Assuming they did turn back as a result of an emergency at the last known location per FR24, I'd hazard that the closest 777 capable field would be Penang. If we assume this to be the case, had they made landfall at the Malaysian East Coast that far north, I'd guess they would have "flown clear across the country" in 20 minutes flat. Maybe even less than that.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:39 am

Quoting birdy (Reply 178):
suspicious floating object spotted 100km south-southwest of Tho Chu island.

I've just been checking with Great Circle Mapper. If I'm not mistaken, this position is approximately 175km (110 miles) away from the (presumed) last known position of MH 370.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:41 am

Seems they might have found something:

https://twitter.com/TrongKhanhVu

#MH370 Vietnam rescue authorities: floating object first spotted by Singapore search and rescue force

#MH370 Vietnam search and rescue authorities: naval vessel to reach the floating object around 700pm Hanoi time

#MH370 Vietnam search and rescue authorities: floating object is yellow

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:43 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 182):

Yellow? Life jackets?
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:44 am

Quoting macsid (Reply 180):

I agree that might be possible. My only point was that it is not possible to fly a 777 across the territory of any country undetected (unless that country has zero military defense infrasructure). So it should be known whether the aircraft ever crossed to the West coast. That's why to me it seems nonsensical that they would be searching off both the East and West coasts.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:01 am

Quoting rdu2sfo (Reply 184):
I agree that might be possible. My only point was that it is not possible to fly a 777 across the territory of any country undetected (unless that country has zero military defense infrasructure). So it should be known whether the aircraft ever crossed to the West coast. That's why to me it seems nonsensical that they would be searching off both the East and West coasts.

I can't make sense of it either. Initially I thought the authorities might know a little more on whether or not it crossed the peninsular than they are willing to make public. But then I would have thought they would've known straight away and not wait until it had been missing for 30+ hours.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:06 am

Just with regards to terrorists claiming or not claiming- often you'll have have multiple groups claiming responsibility for an incident, even when they've got nothing to do with it. Authentication is another matter entirely.

As for the drug route- Thailand is known as an originating exporter, the two biggest 'distribution' centres in Europe being Amsterdam and Madrid.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:09 am

Quoting dc863 (Reply 151):
What if and as I said it's a big IF, MH 370 was the first victim of a possible string of future bombings?

We had been told here in teh US, near the end of the Sochi games, that there were credible reasons to beleive that a new level of shoe bomb been created by the idiot that made the first one. This likely is totally unrelated, but at some point you got to test your product, even if it is deadly. It amazes me still, how hard we try as a species, to be as horrid to each other as we are. Pray for the best, prepare for the worst I guess.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:13 am

Strangely you can log onto the two passengers (the alleged Italian and alleged Austrian) flight details on the KLM website....
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:16 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 188):

We had been told here in teh US, near the end of the Sochi games, that there were credible reasons to beleive that a new level of shoe bomb been created by the idiot that made the first one

Wow.. this must be the first credible reason to believe that a terror strike is imminent we had in decades....

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:19 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 40):
This is NOT a pic of the debris. I fly HKG-SIN twice every week on UA and I have seen this. This pic was taken at night. They're actually flower plantations in Vietnam. I took a few pics a couple of weeks back to make a nice instagram pic, but it turned out too blurry. I can guarantee from my own personal experience, that this pic is not of debris but rather of the very irregular shape of flower farms in Vietnam.

I will second this! The "glowing" flower fields are by far one of my favourite sights out of an aircraft window. Like Coal, I used to fly UA HKG-SIN often and I saw these fields every time.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:21 am

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 107):
we would expect a pretty large debris field by now due to the sea curents



And for the other reasons you mentioned. The fact that the Valujet debris field was the size of a manhole cover was in part due t the fact that the Everglades are basically a mud puddle, not an ocean.

However, as you point out, it's odd that given the daylight they are finding nothing. Maybe looking in the wrong place? Same thing happened with Air France until it was finally found. And to some extent with TWA800. If half of Long Island wasn't looking at the latter, it might have been the same...
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:31 am

Quoting dc863 (Reply 151):
If it was a terrorist bombing and that's a big IF, then perhaps terrorist cell XYZ has performed a successful test run with a "formula" bomb. Cell XYZ now realizes that it has a working bomb that could be used aboard other flights. We have seen time and time again that terrorists have tried many times but failed thus far to plant bombs in shoes, underwear, liquids, etc that are to be detonated by a lunatic onboard. What if and as I said it's a big IF, MH 370 was the first victim of a possible string of future bombings?

I have been thinking about this as well and, to be honest, it seems like a quite concerning situation to me. If (and of course still a big IF) the flight was a terrorist attack and as you suspected, maybe even some kind of dry run for

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 188):
a new level of shoe bomb been created by the idiot that made the first one

then we'd encounter ourselves in a quite intimidating situation, as the terrorists would know that the new technique obviously does work, but nobody else would know about any additional security measurements since they haven't even found the wreckage yet.

And this again could (COULD!) help potential terrorists perform something as devastating as a succesful version of the Bojinka or 2006 transatlantic flights plot.

But please, stay calm, it was just a very far-spun pessimistic fantasy of mine...
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:33 am

What is the procedure pilots make if there is a hijacking?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:40 am

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 183):
Quoting Coal (Reply 182):
Yellow? Life jackets?

Or if it is a big object - a life raft from the aircraft, maybe? Are those yellow in colour?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:50 am

Twitter has a photo of some oil / fuel in the ocean near To Chu island here: https://twitter.com/Mugsysam/status/442580940187897856/photo/1.

In the same area as the object mentioned above.

While it's most likely the plane is in the sea somewhere following a catasrophe of some kind, is it possible it was subject to hijacking? At 40 mins it wouldn't be long after the seat belt signs had gone off and people started moving about. With suspicious passengers on board could it have rapidly descended (by force of some kind) to an unobservable height and flown somewhere else? I know this is likely a flight of fancy, but why was the transponder off and why are there no traces of the signals from the black boxes?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:51 am

Quoting Jitesh (Reply 195):
What is the procedure pilots make if there is a hijacking?

Quite a broad question. But surely... Do whatever saves the most lives. And it always depends on the hijacker. Fight back 9/11-style hijackers. Or cooperate if they just want asylum in another country, for example.

Squawk 7500. Or use any other (possible) mean to inform ATC.


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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:52 am

Quoting Jitesh (Reply 195):
What is the procedure pilots make if there is a hijacking?

No one can open the cockpit door from the outside. So in any case the very first thing that must happen would be a distress call by the pilots. I cant believe in hijacking. If it was a bomb the Malaysian checkers did an exceptionally bad job, and they deserve to be punished for it. Two men with fake passports on board, plus a bomb. And no one claiming responsibility? At least as hard to believe as structural failure of the 777 itself.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:55 am

Quoting vivekman2006 (Reply 198):
Or if it is a big object - a life raft from the aircraft, maybe? Are those yellow in colour?

Slide rafts are generally grey with a yellow/orange canopy fitted only after a ditching.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:58 am

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 71):
If accurate, it would mean that the plane's transponder was off and the military radar would show the plane's movement regardless of the transponder being off.

Could it be possible civillian radar saw the last complete image of the 777 and the militsry radr perhaps caught a piece of metal flying in the opposite direction after the explosion?

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Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos