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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:46 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 44):
Is there a possibility of the ADSB failing and the aircraft flying for a significant distance after that?

Yes, but even with the ADS-B and transpoders off, it would still be on ATC radar as a primary 'dot'. May be that's the info the Malaysian authorities have that we don't.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:46 pm

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 72):
The debris in the photo is definitely not a door.

The image is really not clear enough to make out what it is. At this point all we can say is that it is some sort of square with a hole in it (more like nut with the bolt missing).
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:47 pm

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 54):
it seems like there has to be information they aren't telling us at this stage.

Potentially - and there's a chance some of that will come out after the fact. Perhaps when they finally find the 200 foot long plane.
Until then, I propose a new theory: Wormhole.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 79):
Had the ET 767 that was forced to "land" in the water been more level, would it have remained more intact ?

That I cannot answer. There are certainly crash angles that allow for intact planes.
I wouldn't be too surprised that if this plane somehow entered the water in one piece that the engines would indeed break off - those are some HUGE fans.

Can someone post a pic of the "door" on the thread?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:49 pm

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 90):
Except may be for the one adjacent to the R2 door (towards the front).

Good thinking.
Aft of R2 is a lav so no sidewall there.
Maybe forward of the door.
I don't have access to the IPC or Boeing drawings tonight to check for single frame sized sidewall panels on this configuration.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:49 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 20):

As crazy as it may sound, 50ft of water probably has exponentially more stopping power then 300ft of pentagon. Remember, while the walls at the pentagon were likely extremely thick and reinforced, in total they probably only total 20ft in total thickness with a bunch of space and furniture in between. The stopping power of water is insane, it is very easy to underestimate.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 81):

Not a needle in a haystack, put thousands of pieces of a needle in a haystack. Sure you only have to find one piece, but they are even smaller then a full needle.

If the aircraft can't be found near where the radar last shows, I'd be suspicious that there is more going on then we know at this time, but has been purposely withheld from the public. Surely some sort of intelligence would have seen this plane even if the transponder was off and it flew for a hundred or more miles as is very possible. If it didn't fly a long ways, then it shouldn't be that difficult to locate some sort of piece of the aircraft, even if it's a piece of luggage or a bag of peanuts.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:51 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 79):
Had the ET 767 that was forced to "land" in the water been more level, would it have remained more intact ?

A distinct possibility. A DC9 managed it some years back. But in that situation, the pilot was not fighting for control of the plane at the very last moment.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:52 pm

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 102):
Can someone post a pic of the "door" on the thread?

Here for example: https://twitter.com/TrongKhanhVu/status/442653199682383873

It seems to be a photo of a monitor showing very zoomed-in photo, the quality is really bad.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:54 pm

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 95):
I assume you mean ACARS?

No, the article gave the impression that the system reported directly to Boeing of any abnormalities in flight behaviour ...

How the newspaper has concluded this way, I don't know ...

A quote from the newspaer ( in Norwegian )

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:55 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 96):
Really? PanAm Lockerbie incident, AI 182, USAir & United 737s with the rudder problem, the Air New Zealand crash off France (http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9785004/Final-moments-of-Air-NZ-test-flight), AF 447, China Airllines 611 all seem to indicate otherwise (agreed the causes in these cases are different but the point is that they fell/dived from the sky).

But it is an extremely rare event, especially from cruise (the 737's were on landing approach). And I believe almost all jetliners except for AF447 that have done so were victims of either fire or a bomb.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:55 pm

Quoting danvs (Reply 100):

Exactly, there would have been a radar return regardless of turning the transponder off, until it crashed, or lost the "dot" if a bomb did explode
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:59 pm

Quoting s5daw (Reply 99):

Was referring to possibility of crash on land in remote area rather than where they are searching. Problem of ELT under water is that water absorbs radio-waves.

Is an ELT likely to survive a crash on land?

Or do you mean a survivable crash landing where a person would activate an ELT, or the G load activates it?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:00 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 96):
(agreed the causes in these cases are different but the point is that they fell/dived from the sky

No, they didn't. Pan Am 103 and AI 182 were blown out of the sky. And we're talking about the possibility of that here too.

The UA and US 737's that crashed were both during maneuvering on landing, with warning given to ATC by the pilots. It didn't happen at cruise, it didn't happen with no distress call and it was due to a design defect. It's not impossible, but it would be even unlikelier than a hijacking and safe landing that a design defect exists in the 777-200 that could bring it down from cruise with no distress call. We can talk about that if you believe it to be the case, though.

AF 447 wouldn't have happened in clear weather. That's not to say the weather caused it, but it did initiate it, and it was suspected as being involved in the accident right from the beginning. There's no such naturally occurring prime suspect here. And the pilots of MH370 shouldn't have been out of contact with ATC. (From what I've read in earlier threads, they had just been handed off.) If AF447 was in contact with ATC, there probably would have been some kind of distress call or at least indication of a problem. It didn't happen suddenly.

China Airlines 611 is the only one of your examples that really comes close to matching the description of what we know so far of MH370. But that was due to a faulty repair. We went through that possibility with this plane back in thread 1 and it hasn't been totally ruled out, but it seems extremely unlikely to me given their apparent turn to the left before disappearing from radar (the damaged wing was the right wing).

Also, probably worth pointing out that China Airlines 611 broke up at 3:28PM and was found at 5:05PM the same day.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:01 pm

Quoting AS737MAX (Reply 109):
Exactly, there would have been a radar return regardless of turning the transponder off, until it crashed, or lost the "dot" if a bomb did explode

Even if there was an explosion that caused an immediate failure, short of it vaporizing the entire thing, you still should have some primary targets, like TWA800 when it went down in pieces. No?

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:01 pm

I may have dreamt this but in the past, possibly the AF crash, didn't airliners fly at lower altitude in the area where the wreckage may have been? And ask passengers to look out for anything...?

I'm sure they did this. Could be an idea to speed up the search?
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:01 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 107):
No, the article gave the impression that the system reported directly to Boeing of any abnormalities in flight behaviour ...

It might be that Norwegian Boeing 787s send ACARS information directly to the Boeing because Norwegian has a Boeing maintenance program. However, the reporter makes a wrong conclusion this to be a generic feature to all Boeing planes & airlines.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:04 pm

IMO the image in the article below is not of a door of a MH 777. The bottom 1/3 of the doors on the MH 777s have the color red or red and blue which this thing does not have. The cargo doors should be grey or grey and blue which this thing is not. The position / size of what would be the window also does not match. I apologize if this article has already been posted.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/201...ia-says-plane-may-have-turned-back

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:07 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 112):

Correct, there was a radar station off of Long Island, NY that picked up TW800 after the nose broke off, or being returned as multiple primary targets. Malaysian authorities may very well not be releasing everything they know to the public
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:07 pm

The bullet analogy doesn't apply. A bullet has very little mass, and thus it's momentum can be dissipated quite easily by a large amount of water. A bullet can become lodged in pillows, books, etc. Further, it is unpowered, decelerating from the time of leaving the muzzle/barrel, has no fins or other mechanisms to prevent pitch and yaw resulting in tumbling. And the amount of drag on the bullet due to water's various physical properties is great due to the size of the bullet.

An aircraft has far more momentum due to it's mass and requires far more energy to dissipate that momentum. It is very large so the drag from water's properties would have far less effect. It is designed to not only move forward stably through fluids, but to self-correct it's course. Once hitting the water, depending on the angle and whether the aircraft was still pressurized, it could fall to the bottom of the ocean at great speed, accelerating from the point of impact (after the initial dissipation of energy/momentum). Thus it could strike the bottom with sufficient force to both break apart and embed itself under the sand/silt layer.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:09 pm

My guess is this floating debris is an interior part. Either that, or it is nothing to do with the aircraft at all. Could be flotsam from a fishing boat.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:11 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 115):
The cargo doors should be grey or grey and blue which this thing is not.

Doors have two sides.... what's the interior color of a cargo door?
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:11 pm

Quoting Finn350 (Reply 114):
It might be that Norwegian Boeing 787s send ACARS information directly to the Boeing because Norwegian has a Boeing maintenance program. However, the reporter makes a wrong conclusion this to be a generic feature to all Boeing planes & airlines.

Yes, I thought so too  
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:12 pm

Quoting s5daw (Reply 87):
I think somebody said A330 had carbon-fiber stabiliser, while 777 has aluminium.

The vertical stab is carbon fiber on the 777. Not to sound like too much of a jerk here but it is a relatively quick and simple google search for that kind of information. Not to mention it has been posted up thread (now that isn't as simple).

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:13 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 118):

I agree. If that is the only thing spotted in the area then I would tend to think that it is more likely nothing to do with the aircraft at all.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:14 pm

Quoting AS737MAX (Reply 116):
Correct, there was a radar station off of Long Island, NY that picked up TW800 after the nose broke off, or being returned as multiple primary targets. Malaysian authorities may very well not be releasing everything they know to the public

I would think, that if they had some primary returns, we could at least narrow down the search area. Given the haphazard nature in which this whole situation has gone, I'd be on the side saying there isn't anything from the primary returns, which makes this case even more odd.

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:16 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 117):

An aircraft has far more momentum due to it's mass and requires far more energy to dissipate that momentum. It is very large so the drag from water's properties would have far less effect. It is designed to not only move forward stably through fluids, but to self-correct it's course. Once hitting the water, depending on the angle and whether the aircraft was still pressurized, it could fall to the bottom of the ocean at great speed, accelerating from the point of impact (after the initial dissipation of energy/momentum). Thus it could strike the bottom with sufficient force to both break apart and embed itself under the sand/silt layer.

I think you are forgetting one thing: An aircraft is not a solid object. It is a metal (in this case) tube with air taking up a large volume of it's interior. Hitting the water at speed is like hitting concrete. It would shatter on impact with only larger, heavy and relatively solid objects penetrating the water to any great depth.

[Edited 2014-03-09 16:48:50]
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:16 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 44):
Thanks for clarifying, this makes it more puzzling isn't it? 40 ships and 20+ aircraft should have found some signs of the aircraft at the last known position then based on the ADSB data. Is there a possibility of the ADSB failing and the aircraft flying for a significant distance after that? If, so, could the same failure that caused ADSB to fail also cause communications failure where the crew could not communicate to the outside world but could still fly the plane for some distance before crashing?

The ADSB transmission may have ceased due to a sudden catastrophic 'event' or the aircraft may have gone out of range of suitable receivers.

There is also another more detailed but less frequent transmission which can be automatic or pilot originated known as ACARS. An ACARS transmission (sent automatically) gave us early clues in the Air France 447 crash aftermath, specifically details of a string of systems failures as a result of temporary loss of speed data. We don't know for sure whether MH370 did transmit such data via ACARS, at least it is not in the public domain. However a catastrophic breakup of the aircraft would also have put paid to this possibility.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:18 pm

Quoting s5daw (Reply 119):

The slight curve in the object would lead me to believe that if it was a door it is floating with the outside facing up in the water so should have the colors.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:19 pm

Quoting AS737MAX (Reply 116):
Correct, there was a radar station off of Long Island, NY that picked up TW800 after the nose broke off, or being returned as multiple primary targets. Malaysian authorities may very well not be releasing everything they know to the public

Thats what I have started to think. After reading and hearing so much about this I have just about come to the conclusion that the plane had some kind of catastrophic failure and the pax with the stolen passports just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

One of the newscasts I heard was that one of the pax with the stolen passports was going to Amsterdam and the other to Copenhagen. Obviously they were up to no good. However, they could have been involved in human trafficking or drug trafficking and/or other very unsavory things. However, none of them may be connected the disappearance of the plane.

I wonder if Malaysian authorities dont already know some of the details of that and are not releasing the information as they might be two major investigations going on at the same time. Just my two cents worth.
 
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Quote:
Aviation sources in China report that radar data suggest a steep and sudden descent of the aircraft, during which the track of the aircraft changed from 024 degrees to 333 degrees.



the location of the debris that might come from MH370 coincides with the possible change of the flight path...
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:21 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 107):
No, the article gave the impression that the system reported directly to Boeing of any abnormalities in flight behaviour

That's ACARS, you can specify the receiver for specific types of messages and with MX it usually happens in the back group over either VHF/HF/Iridium.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:22 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 38):
Didn't you already post that photo in an earlier part of this thread? This thread is already long enough without repeating previous posts.

It´s actually the third time. And yes, I agree with you.

I don´t think too much stock need to be put on the airplane turning back. KAL 007 did a lot of crazy turns when hit with two missiles and took about 15-20 minutes to hit the water. There was actually a transmission by the crew, which was picked up by the Japanese. Equally, JAL 123 did a lot of maneuvers while damaged, until eventually crashing.

So if some catastrophic event happened it is possible the plane turned, an probably turned again, unless what is shown in the radar is a constant purposeful turn which we don´t know and apparently is disputed by some authorities.

It´s going to be found sooner or later.

About the two guys with passports. My opinion is that they are just a couple of criminals. Probably being searched already internationally, as many paedophiles are, and definitely needed two passports they could use to return to Europe without being identified. Hailing from that part of the world, Pattaya...one Austrian, it wouldn´t surprise me this is what those two are about.

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Chances are that any objects that are found on its own don't belong to the aircraft. I would expect there to be more wreckage in the vicinity. I bet there is a lot of trash and other insignificant objects floating around in our oceans that we don't know of. Extensive SAR like this would find a lot of there 'false alarms'. Nevertheless worth checking though.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:25 pm

Just watching BBC World Service, their live reporter in KA is providing a 'new' update: "the Black Box is not emitting any signal, as stated by Malaysian Airlines".

Does anyone know what the actual distance is that the Black Box can transmit over, presumably there must be some sort of distance limitation? If you're not within range you won't pick up the transmission...

Still stating Vietnamese Navy 'may have found a debris field' but these reports still unconfirmed.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:26 pm

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 111):
No, they didn't. Pan Am 103 and AI 182 were blown out of the sky. And we're talking about the possibility of that here too.

The point i am trying to make is that the planes did fall out of the sky (irrespective of whether they were blown up, stalled due to pilot error or fell due to mechanical problems) at various stages of flights cruise or landing. You can add TWA flight 800 too to the list of planes that fell out of the sky and left everyone scratching their heads. And if you read my post carefully, i said that yes, the causes are different in all the examples i stated. I was just saying that your statement that "planes just don't fall out of the sky" is not true. But, of course, if you are suggesting that they don't fall out of the sky without a reason or cause..then yes i agree absolutely (and in fact it is obvious).

[Edited 2014-03-09 16:30:48]
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:31 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 38):
Didn't you already post that photo in an earlier part of this thread? This thread is already long enough without repeating previous posts.

Apologies. The point of my post at reply 24 was to provide a general recap of all 6 parts to save newcomers the need to trawl through hundreds of previous posts. I thought posting the photo would help keep things interesting as there have been few photos or diagrams to help break up the monotony of so much text on this forum. The photo is of course directly relevant to the subject being discussed and puts a very recent 'face to the name' so to speak. Yes it was posted earlier but newcomers to the thread are unlikely to go back through everything. Also the photo is significant as it remains the most recent photo thus far of 9M-MRO, unless anyone can find me an even more recent example. Mine was taken on 28th January 2014.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:32 pm

This article says a Window Fragment was found: http://mobile.businessweek.com/news/...ragment-found-by-vietnam-searchers
I aapologize if this is old news.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:36 pm

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 127):
One of the newscasts I heard was that one of the pax with the stolen passports was going to Amsterdam and the other to Copenhagen. Obviously they were up to no good. However, they could have been involved in human trafficking or drug trafficking and/or other very unsavory things. However, none of them may be connected the disappearance of the plane.


Well like Hywel writes in reply 48 it could be as simple as that they were refugees
on their way to Europe to seek asylum (see links below). However that does, of course,
not exclude any criminal intent with their journey that they might have had with their journeys.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...uket-another-link-to-missing-mh370
http://phuketwan.com/tourism/stolen-...-fate-malaysia-flight-mh370-19868/
http://asiancorrespondent.com/119480...rian-asylum-seekers-denies-access/

Quoting PIKtoYEG (Reply 132):
Just watching BBC World Service, their live reporter in KA
is providing a 'new' update: "the Black Box is not emitting any signal, as stated by Malaysian Airlines".

Does anyone know what the actual distance is that the Black Box can transmit over,
presumably there must be some sort of distance limitation? If you're not within range
you won't pick up the transmission...

I don't know the lateral distance but vertically the signal should be able to be
detected at up to 20'000ft. http://rjeint.com/pdf/DK120.PDF

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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:38 pm

Quoting PIKtoYEG (Reply 132):
the Black Box is not emitting any signal

They would have to know where the "black box" is to know that it is not pinging.
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:39 pm

Quoting horstroad (Reply 128):
the location of the debris that might come from MH370 coincides with the possible change of the flight path..

The debris is at 353° and 113NM from the last known position of MH370 (near IGARI waypoint, when the aircraft should be turning right to intercept airway M765).
But I agree, it's in the direction of the flight path after the supposed left turn.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:40 pm

Glad they found something, even if small. Would be really terrifying to see something in the likes of RG 967 happening again.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:44 pm

It is amazing that after 48 hours, nothing

Even the RAAF is getting involved with 2 Orion

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...ished/story-fnizu68q-1226849877056
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:44 pm

Quoting hivue (Reply 137):

What distance do they emit a signal to? I'd imagine most potential crash sites have at Least been scoured at a reasonable distance by now.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:45 pm

Quoting Reffado (Reply 139):

It's probably not from the plane, though.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:45 pm

Quoting danvs (Reply 138):
The debris is at 353° and 113NM from the last known position of MH370

oh thanks. I didn't know the exact position, just eye-balled it from the graphic. anyways, this was my point:

Quoting danvs (Reply 138):

But I agree, it's in the direction of the flight path after the supposed left turn.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:46 pm

Amazing, this thread has so far generated 7 parts, 1611 Posts, and is anyone out there any wiser, beyond the fact that all we know for certain is that a Malaysian Airlines B777 is missing, and two passengers, maybe more, were travelling on stolen passports.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:48 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 126):
The slight curve in the object would lead me to believe that if it was a door it is floating with the outside facing up in the water so should have the colors.

CNN is reporting the door is an "interior door".. so maybe to a lavatory or kitchen. There should be no colours on it. I've also read the door was a baggage door which makes more sense, thus explaining the slight curve but not the big dark spot (window? or maybe a lever) or like you said is not grey. Perhaps it's got nothing to do with this flight. I think in the end they are just grabbing at straws,, anything that looks like it's related to the plane.

[Edited 2014-03-09 16:49:56]
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:50 pm

At this point I'm shocked that they still haven't found anything. So if we are blindly guessing - what are the chances of an inflight fire (electrical problems- no comms) followed by a successful ditching and then a sinking. I wonder if there is enough fuel in the wings to keep the plane floating even if it is filled with water. Such a strange accident.
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:50 pm

Quoting caribb (Reply 145):
CNN is reporting the door is an "interior door"..

Proabably reading this forum  
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:50 pm

Quoting CaptainKramer (Reply 144):

It's pretty strange not to know anything official by now.

I think that is fueling the speculation, and the longer this goes on without any real info, the more we will speculate.

We need a direction to go, and we don't have one.

So we wander around.  
 
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Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:52 pm

Quoting awthompson (Reply 125):

The ADS link in the area is not via the mode S transponder, it is satellite based.

Quoting PIKtoYEG (Reply 132):

The range is only 1-2km, it is a ultra sonic transmission. They are there to assist in locating the black boxes when the position is known, not for locating the aircraft.

The ELT will not work under water.

Quoting Razza74 (Reply 140):

That is the best way to find it, they can drop a sonor buoy grid and listen for the pinger. A submarine would also be useful. Surface ships would have limited capability to perform an area search for the pinger.
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